Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #202

[arielilane]

@KaitlynReports

Day 5 of the #DelphiTrial is set to begin at 9am. Stick with @wrtv for the latest. Updates to follow.


8:07 AM · Oct 23, 2024

 

[MassGuy]

The states job now is to turn bridge guy into RA, all the witness testimony is mixed in how they describe the man they saw but the image of bridge guy on the bridge has to be RA for state to get to guilty,
Then they have to prove that bridge guy is the murderer,
Two different things imo, even if they prove BG is RA that doesn't automatically mean BG is the murderer,

Totally disagree on the last. If they prove that RA is BG, there is beyond a reasonable doubt that he is involved in the murder, even if one doesn’t believe he was the actual killer (which I still think is unreasonable).

There are felony murder charges there, which means one doesn’t even have to believe he was the stabber.

 

[shonyakay]

bbm

We got to see the full “Down the Hill” video and some curious choices by the State that could prove to be tactical blunders. Lots to cover from Day 4 of testimony in the #Delphi murders trial. Here we go…


13 Things To Know From The Delphi Murders Trial Today - Oct 22

1. The now-famous “Down the Hill” video from Libby’s cell phone is 43 seconds long, Jurors got to see & hear it all today. ISP released a photo of “Bridge Guy” & his voice saying “down the hill” in 2017…
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2. It shows Libby’s phone mostly pointing downward toward the deck of the Monon High Bridge, but at one point we can see Abby & hear Libby saying “There’s no path.” What we cannot really see or hear is Bridge Guy. An ISP audio/video specialist testified how he changed that.


3. Jeremy Chapman told jurors he was able to freeze a frame of video with Bridge Guy behind Abby & enhance it by cropping, resizing & adjusting the light, color, contrast etc to get a sharper image of the man. He removed background noise so we could hear “down the hill.”


4. To be honest, I wasn’t clear what we had just watched was the “Down the Hill” video until the ISP forensic experts explained what they had done frame-by-frame. To me, Bridge Guy & his audio were nearly undetectable without the enhancements. Amazing Libby captured the video.


5. After jurors saw & heard the Bridge Guy video, the state called 3 women to testify about him. All 3 recognized the Bridge Guy photo distributed by ISP in 2017 & insist they saw Bridge Guy on the Monon High Bridge or nearby trails on the afternoon of the murders.
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6. Good for the State: they were very convincing in their recollection of seeing Bridge Guy. Not good for the State: during cross exam, the Defense reminded all 3 witnesses how they described Bridge Guy to investigators back in 2017. What they described was… interesting.


7. These are the words/phrases the witnesses used:

Tall
Early 20s/30s
Bigger build
Dirty blonde curly hair
Muscular
Brown eyes
Boyish looking
Youthful in appearance
Didn’t seem short
Brown poofy hair

In other words, they described Bridge Guy as everything Richard Allen is NOT.


8. So to recap, you have ISP investigators about to testify Allen IS Bridge Guy; witnesses insisting they saw BG who’s tall, muscular & young; and jurors staring at a defendant who doesn’t match that description (nor did he in 2017). For the State, that could be a problem.


9. In another State setback, one of their Bridge Guy eyewitness mentioned her 2017 description of BG was to a police sketch artist … for a sketch of BG that the state successfully convinced the judge to suppress from the jury. Now that it’s been mentioned, that could change.

10. The defense had its own challenging moments today. Atty Brad Rozzi did not seem to score points with the jury during his argumentative cross exam of an ISP crime scene investigator & Andrew Baldwin was scolded for referring to a bullet casing as the state’s “magic bullet.”


11. Of note, through 4 days of testimony, the jury has not heard 1 word or mention of Richard Allen since opening statements. Understandable since the state is still laying the foundation of its case. But still a long way to go to establish “guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.”

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13. I shared a bunch of additional details from today’s testimony in tonight’s 13News #Delphi Debrief. Here’s the link if you’d like to watch. Back inside the courtroom tomorrow with @EmilyWTHR to bring you Day 5 of the trial.
Good night.

No matter how these witnesses described the man (then or now) they all are in agreement (then and now) that the man they saw was the man captured in the still frame image of "BG" from Libby's cellphone video.

 

[arielilane]

Have we learned who the 3rd woman was? I only have 2 so far.

@KaitlynReports

We heard from a number of witnesses who testified to seeing the man from the bridge on the trail that day.Railly Voorhies and Breann Wilber testified to being on the bridge and trail that day and seeing a man they said was “bridge guy.”

Betsy Blair testified to walking the trail the 14th too. She says she is sure the man described as“bridge guy” is who she saw on the bridge. She says she then saw Abby and Libby while walking on the trail.


6:48 AM · Oct 23, 2024

 

[ClearAhead]

The states job now is to turn bridge guy into RA, all the witness testimony is mixed in how they describe the man they saw but the image of bridge guy on the bridge has to be RA for state to get to guilty,
Then they have to prove that bridge guy is the murderer,
Two different things imo, even if they prove BG is RA that doesn't automatically mean BG is the murderer,

Prior to yesterday we were just shown a photo of a man on the bridge, might’ve just happened to be out for an afternoon stroll.

But the replay of the video shown in the courtroom definitely illustrates the girls had cause to be fearful of this man for reasons we will probably never know including Abby running away from him towards Libby, then he boxed them in. That removed any doubt for me.

Doesn’t get much clearer than a victim’s own desperate last minute recording of this horrible incident. BG is the kidnapper/murderer. JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

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So far I have not seen any evidence that proves or disproves it’s RA.

I really like the jury and the very good questions they are asking.

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When the Defense starts their case, I'm sure we'll hear plenty of discussion about it proving RA's innocence and that shift will be reflected here as well.

I've seen plenty that proves to me RA=BG=Killer JMO.

I agree with how engaged this jury is. They are taking their position as jurors in deciding RA's innocence or guilt seriously which is exactly how it should be.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

According to tMS, it was a rope that LE CSI's had used to cordon off only a single path for all LE to walk in and out of "ground zero", so they don't disturb any potential evidence in the area.

Could it be the case the Baldwin and Rozzi were never involved in any murder scenes before so didn't know about this? Because it seems very strange they claimed the victim was hung by her feet to drain her blood. Very odd thing to allege IMO!

 

[mrjitty]

IMO, it's because we are hearing for the first time the State's evidence and witnesses. We weren't privy to that before trial, so of course it's going to drive the discussion in that direction.

When the Defense starts their case, I'm sure we'll hear plenty of discussion about it proving RA's innocence and that shift will be reflected here as well.

I've seen plenty that proves to me RA=BG=Killer JMO.

I agree with how engaged this jury is. They are taking their position as jurors in deciding RA's innocence or guilt seriously which is exactly how it should be.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

JMO

For me, i need to see evidence establishing RA left at 1.30pm - because the man the 3 juvenile girls met was without a doubt the killer IMO.

 

[Bergmann]

the stabber.

Where were the girls stabbed or is that a mistake?

I thought the wounds were predominantly having their throats cut? (to different extents).

(Clarifying questions not opinion)

 

[flashy09]

RA never told Dullin what he was wearing, the prosecution isn’t even stating this.

https://fox59.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2022/11/Probable-Cause-Affidavit-Richard-Allen.pdf

However he did say it on October 13th, 2022 according to the PCA : "He told investigators he was wearing blue jeans and a blue or black Carhartt jacket with a hood. He advised he may have been wearing some type of head covering as well."

The PCA also states that his wife says he still owns the blue Carhartt. I wonder if they swabbed the washing machine pipes or if would be too late by now. I also wonder if he made a purchase in February 2017 at a store that carries Carhartt's to replace the jacket.

 

[BexLuth0r]

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No other male of any description whatever was there, then. In contrast, RA put himself on the first platform on the north end of the bridge. That’s exactly when Betsy Blair saw a man there.

Her initial attempts to describe that man do not perfectly match RA’s height and age, however, thus giving rise to endless failures to connect the obvious dots for people who ain’t goin’ there no how.

Ms. Blair, turning back from the bridge, saw Abby and Libby approaching it. The man on the first platform, where RA himself has placed himself watching fish, was thus the last known person of any gender to see the girls alive, assuming BG didn’t appear on the south side. (We absolutely DO know BG followed the girls across the bridge from the north side.)

Ms. Blair saw RA on that platform. RA is BG. BG is the killer. The guy is roped and hog-tied for those willing to see.

Didn't she also testify yesterday that she could have been mistaken about age and that the curly hair could have been a hat?

I think we will hear much more about Richard Allen in the coming days. Like everyone has said, they're just setting the scene now.

But if Richard Allen said he was stood on platform 1, didn't see any other males, was seen by Betsy Blair, who also didn't see any other males, who then turned around and saw the girls heading towards the bridge, then a few minutes later is the Bridge Guy video, I fail to see how he is anything other than bridge guy??

 

[steeltowngirl]

The states job now is to turn bridge guy into RA, all the witness testimony is mixed in how they describe the man they saw but the image of bridge guy on the bridge has to be RA for state to get to guilty,
Then they have to prove that bridge guy is the murderer,
Two different things imo, even if they prove BG is RA that doesn't automatically mean BG is the murderer,

If the state proves to the jury BARD that BG ordered the girls down the hill to their murders, AND that BG=RA, the correct result should be a GUILTY verdict.

Felony murder.

 

[MassGuy]

Where were the girls stabbed or is that a mistake?

I thought the wounds were predominantly having their throats cut? (to different extents).

(Clarifying questions not opinion)

We haven’t heard from the ME yet, but it’s semantics in regards to the context I was discussing.

I’d be surprised if there weren’t stab wounds in addition to their throats being slit.

 

[Bergmann]

I’d be surprised if there weren’t stab wounds in addition to their throats being slit.

Why? What leads you to conclude that?

 

[FrostedGlass]

@KaitlynReports

We heard from a number of witnesses who testified to seeing the man from the bridge on the trail that day.Railly Voorhies and Breann Wilber testified to being on the bridge and trail that day and seeing a man they said was “bridge guy.”

Betsy Blair testified to walking the trail the 14th too. She says she is sure the man described as“bridge guy” is who she saw on the bridge. She says she then saw Abby and Libby while walking on the trail.


6:48 AM · Oct 23, 2024

Thank you and thanks for posting the items found and the witness descriptions.

 

[arielilane]

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[susane7]

Didn't she also testify yesterday that she could have been mistaken about age and that the curly hair could have been a hat?

I think we will hear much more about Richard Allen in the coming days. Like everyone has said, they're just setting the scene now.

But if Richard Allen said he was stood on platform 1, didn't see any other males, was seen by Betsy Blair, who also didn't see any other males, who then turned around and saw the girls heading towards the bridge, then a few minutes later is the Bridge Guy video, I fail to see how he is anything other than bridge guy??

Yes. According do murder sheet. yes. Gray talked with them.

She said she could be mistaken, it is possible that the "poofy hair" it was a hat and it is possible that he was older than 20-30 years old because she only saw him for a moment. But she saw the man in the video (BG).

 

[MassGuy]

Why? What leads you to conclude that?

Because that’s what happens in most murders involving a sharp object. I’d expect stab wounds to their upper bodies, with their throats being slit.

 

[ClearAhead]

Could it be the case the Baldwin and Rozzi were never involved in any murder scenes before so didn't know about this? Because it seems very strange they claimed the victim was hung by her feet to drain her blood. Very odd thing to allege IMO!

Baldwin was recently a member of the defense team who defended Caden Smith, recently convicted of all charges relating to a triple murder.

Honestly at times I’ve wondered in B&R have outsourced the basis of defense of RA. Beginning with the weird FM, it appears to severely lack the quality of a work product typically associated with experienced attorneys. When this trial is over it wouldn’t surprise me if it results in a peek behind the scenes. All my opinion.

 

[AugustWest]

Motion Filed Motion to Admit Evidence of Odinism/ Norse Paganism/ Ritualistic Killing Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 10/23/2024​

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10/23/2024​

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