Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #202

[Melted]

So I have a serious question.

Can anyone cite a single source of one example of a phone powering off and then turning itself on 6 hours later?

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

So what time was the autopsy performed, so we can calculate the time of death?

As far as I know, the morning of the day after they were found. So it lines up with the prosecution's theory of the girls dying there, at that time.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Do we know what type of phone she had? Nowadays water isn’t a big deal, as phones can be submerged for a while with no impact.

That’s more of a relatively new development though, so it comes down to the make and model of her phone.

I could potentially see water playing a role in that.

iPhone 6s.

 

[Gemmie]

I wonder if RA was left handed or right handed? The autopsy says Abby's throat wound appeared to be from right to left, which would seem to indicate it was inflicted by a left handed person (unless it was inflicted from behind).

'You need to call me now': Delphi murder trial testimony reveals text from Libby's grandmother

The trial of Richard Allen for the Delphi murders resumed Wednesday with testimony from an eyewitness, a forensic pathologist and a police technician.

www.indystar.com

Just my opinion.

If it was from behind I'd still think the person was likely left handed if the cut went from right to left. It would be too awkward to do it with your right hand IMO.

 

[Melted]

As far as I know, the morning of the day after they were found. So it lines up with the prosecution's theory of the girls dying there, at that time.

MOO

Do you have a source that that was the time and day of the autopsy?

Thanks in advance

 

[iamshadow21]

So I have a serious question.

Can anyone cite a single source of one example of a phone powering off and then turning itself on 6 hours later?

JMO

I just searched google for 'phone powered off turns itself back on iPhone 6' and got, like, a million hits.

Here's just one.

Stop iPhone from Shutting Off Randomly - 6 Tips

Is your iPhone unexpectedly turning itself off and on? It's probably a battery issue or a software or hardware problem. Here's how to stop iPhone from shutting off by itself.

www.appgeeker.com

We know Libby had done a factory reset only a day or two before she died. There's a good chance the phone had issues before they even had to wade through a creek at gunpoint. But even if not, according to that article, just the water could do it.

MOO

 

[SouthEnd]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849214513792368994

...are they seriously struggling to explain how snapchat works? I am shocked.

If I understand correctly, that photo was taken on snapchat, that doesn't save the photo on the phones, but sends it on the app. It only 'exists' for 24hrs there, so I can't imagine how they'd find it on the phone. From the little I know about how snapchat works, it doesn't even create a temp file on your actual device. Does anyone know differently?

MOO

 

[ClearAhead]

If it was from behind I'd still think the person was likely left handed if the cut went from right to left. It would be too awkward to do it with your right hand IMO.

Wouldn’t it also depend if the victim was directly face to face or angled somewhat? The Dr who performed the autopsy was asked that question. He said he didn’t know.

 

[Spartygirl]

I have not been there but I recall Defense Diaries saying he went and you could see the area they were found from platform 1. And I assume the rest of the bridge. Being midwestern, no leaves is a huge deal. It’s the difference between seeing 20 feet in July and an huge area feeling naked and exposed in winter, it’s all open.

Nope
I dont think so.
If you are standing at the N End, you can barely see the S end so I dont think you could see the CS from 1st platform,
JMO from being there.

 

[SouthEnd]

Do you have a source that that was the time and day of the autopsy?

Thanks in advance

From earlier upthread, I swear the speed of this thread is ... the speed of light.

That's the best I can find. RSBM:

February 15, 2017

2:33 p.m. Authorities positively identify the two bodies found Tuesday as Abigail Williams and Liberty German during a press conference held in Delphi. Autopsies were performed earlier that day in Terre Haute, according to authorities.

DELPHI TIMELINE: The search for Libby & Abby's killer​

If the autopsies were performed at 8 or 9am, which would make sense as they would have been the most urgent autopsies in Dr. Kohr's agenda, that would make 41hrs earlier - lets say 3pm, Feb 13th.

He would have needed to be doing the autopsies post the 2:33pm LE statement, to fit the 4am timeline.

All MOO

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849214513792368994

I'm thinking whoever received the photo saved it and why we have knowledge of it and can still view it today. Also, there's always been something lurking about the phone being given back to Libby's family and when LE retrieved it for a second extraction (perhaps looking for the snap chat photo of Abby), there was a photo of the funeral. Just more odd stuff to add to the pile of strange. MOO

 

[ClearAhead]

Is anyone surprised?


Kit Hanley

@kithanleytv
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Pt.2: We also learned they seized 23 devices from Richard Allen. They reviewed all of them & there was nothing on them that connected him to Abby, Libby, or their murders.However, the phone he had in 2017 was not part of those devices and they could not locate that phone.
https://x.com/kithanleytv

 

[Boxer]

If it was from behind I'd still think the person was likely left handed if the cut went from right to left. It would be too awkward to do it with your right hand IMO.

The killer was so dominant over young teens I dont think handedness mattered.
Also RA is a retail supervisor, meaning he is well able to handle heavy boxes and managing awkward angles

 

[Salah11]

Is anyone surprised?


Kit Hanley
@kithanleytv
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30m

Pt.2: We also learned they seized 23 devices from Richard Allen. They reviewed all of them & there was nothing on them that connected him to Abby, Libby, or their murders.However, the phone he had in 2017 was not part of those devices and they could not locate that phone.
x.com

How convenient he had all those devices and not the one from the time of the murders.

 

[Boxer]

Is anyone surprised?


Kit Hanley
@kithanleytv
·
30m

Pt.2: We also learned they seized 23 devices from Richard Allen. They reviewed all of them & there was nothing on them that connected him to Abby, Libby, or their murders.However, the phone he had in 2017 was not part of those devices and they could not locate that phone.
x.com

Not surprising, expected of a guilty party.
Jurors will remember that fact without notes.

 

[otto]

Thank you…,I’ve posted about this more times than I can recall.

Had the girls been covered with twigs and branches and leaves in someplace other than a winter forest, I would be concerned.

Had they been found with twigs and branches and leaves on a glacier, or on the beach, or on a desert, yes I’d be suspicious.

But to be covered with twigs and branches and leaves in a forest, particularly in winter when the trees are not in bloom and twigs and branches break, then IMO those were just what was handy and omnipresent to partially cover them.

JMO

The ritual theory shows us how desperate the defence has become. Making a fuss that sticks in a forest indicate that a violent double murder relates to ritual is absurd.

It's similar to the defence asking a female witness why she didn't offer the muddy, bloody, unfriendly looking, camouflaged man walking along the road a ride.

Desperate in an offensive manner.

 

[photographer4]

I'm thinking whoever received the photo saved it and why we have knowledge of it and can still view it today. Also, there's always been something lurking about the phone being given back to Libby's family and when LE retrieved it for a second extraction (perhaps looking for the snap chat photo of Abby), there was a photo of the funeral. Just more odd stuff to add to the pile of strange. MOO

I’m sorry? A funeral photo? On LG’s device? The one found under Abby’s body?? I’m wondering, do you happen to have a link to this or is this a rumour? If LE gave back the phone and the fam was using it within days post murders I am going to be incredibly surprised!! Wouldn’t this be considered huge evidence? Did they give back the kids clothes and shoes too????? Moo but it’s not even moo it’s an actual question!

 

[Melted]

I just searched google for 'phone powered off turns itself back on iPhone 6' and got, like, a million hits.

Here's just one.

Stop iPhone from Shutting Off Randomly - 6 Tips

Is your iPhone unexpectedly turning itself off and on? It's probably a battery issue or a software or hardware problem. Here's how to stop iPhone from shutting off by itself.

www.appgeeker.com

We know Libby had done a factory reset only a day or two before she died. There's a good chance the phone had issues before they even had to wade through a creek at gunpoint. But even if not, according to that article, just the water could do it.

MOO

This article is talking about an iPhone flickering on and off. The phone was powered off at 10:30 pm and turned on 6 hours later

 

[photographer4]

Is anyone surprised?


Kit Hanley
@kithanleytv
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30m

Pt.2: We also learned they seized 23 devices from Richard Allen. They reviewed all of them & there was nothing on them that connected him to Abby, Libby, or their murders.However, the phone he had in 2017 was not part of those devices and they could not locate that phone.
x.com

Not even a little. Why would anyone be expected to still have a device they used in 2017? Even if they got so many others - it isn’t surprising to me. Mooo

 

[photographer4]

The ritual theory shows us how desperate the defence has become. Making a fuss that sticks in a forest indicate that a violent double murder relates to ritual is absurd.

It's similar to the defence asking a female witness why she didn't offer the muddy, bloody, unfriendly looking, camouflaged man walking along the road a ride.

Desperate in an offensive manner.

Did they ask her why she didn’t offer him a ride??? I hadn’t heard this. Is this new? Is there a link pls? I’m so surprised with so much of what I’m reading here this evening!!