Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #203

[Slawsb]

I don’t think there’s going to be more. It appears it was tested, and they struck out.

A lot of evidence can disappear in 5 years.

Or you can dispose of a blue carhart and buy a new one with cash

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The new Websleuth poll for today is up.
CLICK HERE to participate. You can vote once a day.
We'll put up a new poll daily at the end of court.
At the end of court on 10/24/24 the results are,
Guilty 68.1%
Not Guilty 9.4%
I Don't Know 22.5%

Yesterday I voted "I don't Know" because I needed a bit more evidence. Today's testimony pushed me into the "Guilty" side with RA's non denial that the BG image is him and the reveal that LE found the same brand ammunition during the search of his home.

RA's statement that "It doesn't matter, it's over" during the search warrant is also a contributing factor. JMO.

 

[justtrish]

I'd say the description of keepsake might be due to what is in it not what it looks like on the outside. A keepsake box to me means things important to him are in it. A letter from his mom and pictures seem important.. add in the bullet.. makes me think okay why is the bullet significant. It isn't like this was a junk drawer with random items. Letter from mom, photos, and a bullet. I'd say a shoe box could be a keepsake box if what is in it has special significance to the person it belongs to. IMO

 

[arielilane]

@KylaBRussell

#NEW: Carroll County Sheriff Tony Liggett testified today in day 6 of the #Delphi double murders trial.

One of many notable moments in his testimony, he played the 43-second long Bridge Guy video and shared what he thinks was said. I have that below.

- “Is he right here? Don’t leave me up here,” Abby says as the video starts, according to Liggett.
- “This is the path…that be a gun…there’s no path here,” Libby says according Liggett.
- “Guys,” Bridge Guy says.
- “Hi,” one of the girls says.
- “Down the hill,” Bridge Guy says.



7:01 PM · Oct 24, 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849586990863339690

 

[susane7]

Or you can dispose of a blue carhart and buy a new one with cash

Exactly. He may have dispose the jacket, his phone at the time (apparently he did) and wash his car.It is 5 years later..And it appears there is no male DNA at the crime scene, so.. I think it would be the same way for many other POIS that people have.

The investigation made a huge mistake at the beggining and made the prosecution's job harder.

 

[Pennysmom1]

Something I've been thinking about...

Wasn't RA working at CVS during the time of Libby and Abby's murder? I don't mean at the exact time, and I know he said he had the day off. I mean employed at CVS at the same time in general (was he a current employee then). I keep thinking how apparently none of his coworkers put two and two together that RA was not at work the day of the murders AND that he somewhat resembled the BG video. I'm really surprised nobody called a tip in.

 

[Peppery]

Do we know if KA is on the witness list? If anyone would know if a man bought new clothes or got rid of old ones, it would be his wife imo.

 

[Peppery]

Something I've been thinking about...

Wasn't RA working at CVS during the time of Libby and Abby's murder? I don't mean at the exact time, and I know he said he had the day off. I mean employed at CVS at the same time in general (was he a current employee then). I keep thinking how apparently none of his coworkers put two and two together that RA was not at work the day of the murders AND that he somewhat resembled the BG video. I'm really surprised nobody called a tip in.

Pretty sure he gave BP photos at no cost she had printed for the funeral.

 

[rez125]

I love it when these guys change their stories to fit with the facts:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849593467699331324

Similar to the ME who in the past few months thought maybe a box cutter could do this.

Works both ways.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Indeed. “Keepsake” could honestly easily be a little disingenuous and leading. This jury is sharp and noticing these things. Imo IF the P shows this box and it’s some metal tobacco or ammo tin, or a common little wooden box from a cheap antique store they will realize and not be too keen.

If they show the box and there’s something creepy about it alluding to this case that’s something else. But imo that’s not likely not the case with Mr cvs here.

I have several boxes that are obviously junk collectors. But if someone disengenous took one and said omg this is his KEEPSAKE box it will seem like I was having a good time with rubber bands, a couple bottles of wine, that date on that silver dollar must be significant, and someone has a bottle cap fetish.

This jury seems smarter than this by a mile though.

AMO

I could care less what LE calls the box were the .40 caliber round was found. What's important is the fact that the ammunition is the same brand as the one found at the crime scene.

I'm really interested in learning more about the cartridge and have little interest in the box. JMO.

 

[ClearAhead]

I wonder how subjective the term "safe" keeping is though? Like did they feel HE was under threat from others or that he posed a threat to someone else on the inside??? This move has not ever really made a ton of sense to me. I hope to learn more and get a better understanding of what the corrections staff / lawyers / original judge felt the risks were in this case! Why was it in place for as long as it was? mooo

Suicide has been mentioned and his existing mental health conditions required greater care than county jails could provide, is my understanding. Imagine how the conspiracy people would roar if he’d been seriously injured or died while in custody as well.

He’s alive and well today, standing trial and that would seem was the objective was achieved.

 

[MassGuy]

Something I've been thinking about...

Wasn't RA working at CVS during the time of Libby and Abby's murder? I don't mean at the exact time, and I know he said he had the day off. I mean employed at CVS at the same time in general (was he a current employee then). I keep thinking how apparently none of his coworkers put two and two together that RA was not at work the day of the murders AND that he somewhat resembled the CG video. I'm really surprised nobody called a tip in.

That image really could have been anyone, on account of how blurry it was. To me, it was the clothing that stuck out the most, but his coworkers probably never saw him dressed like that.

Later on, I think he hit the lottery when those sketches didn’t look anything like him too.

 

[MiniMoo]

It said there was a letter from his mother to him and some photos in the box. Seems like a typical keepsake box you put things sentimental or important to you. The bullet found in the box was probably a sentimental item to Richard Allen. MOO

Interesting Keepsake box.

I wonder how old that letter was before being placed inside it, were the photos old, new or a combination of old and new and as for the bullet was it old, new as well as spent or unspent.

The bullet is the odd one out to me.

JMC = Just My Curiousity.

 

[Inthedetails]

Yesterday I voted "I don't Know" because I needed a bit more evidence. Today's testimony pushed me into the "Guilty" side with RA's non denial that the BG image is him and the reveal that LE found the same brand ammunition during the search of his home.

RA's statement that "It doesn't matter, it's over" during the search warrant is also a contributing factor. JMO.

Fair assessment. I expect more dominoes will fall over the next few days. No "aha!" moment, but a series that build up until there is no other way to see it but "guilty."

Appreciate the insight.

jmo

 

[smamda]

Something I've been thinking about...

Wasn't RA working at CVS during the time of Libby and Abby's murder? I don't mean at the exact time, and I know he said he had the day off. I mean employed at CVS at the same time in general (was he a current employee then). I keep thinking how apparently none of his coworkers put two and two together that RA was not at work the day of the murders AND that he somewhat resembled the CG video. I'm really surprised nobody called a tip in.

Understand your surprise here, however I was also thinking that maybe "irl" Richard Allen doesn't really resemble Bridge Guy. Now we know that the photos were actually just grabs of a video which was upside-down and in which Bridge Guy was very small in the frame. MOO

 

[ClearAhead]

Or you can dispose of a blue carhart and buy a new one with cash

I think Carhartt will be able to determine the date of manufacture of the coat that was seized.

 

[Inthedetails]

Interesting Keepsake box.

I wonder how old that letter was before being placed inside it, were the photos old, new or a combination of old and new and as for the bullet was it old, new as well as spent or unspent.

JMC = Just My Curiousity.

Yeah, it wasn't any ol' box to put paperclips and random safety pins. You don't save a letter from your mom with a stash of rubber bands. I'm expecting that the box held special things, imo, and the bullet was one of them.

I guess we'll find out later.

jmo

 

[Spartygirl]

There's no reason why RA could not have brought more than one Carhartt jacket. He may have gotten rid of the one with blood evidence on it and bought a new one in the same color. JMO,

Correct.
Momma, wife, daughter, son-in-law may have wondered where his Carhart Blue jacket was if he got rid of it due to the 'BLOODY & MUDDY" all over it.
So he replaced it.
JMO

 

[cbeagle]

Or you can dispose of a blue carhart and buy a new one with cash

I wonder if they checked any manufacturing codes on the jacket they took, eg made in 2018 ...

 

[technicallymissing]

I have been wondering something similar - wouldn’t we think some of that would come out to family, friends and co-workers?

IMO

Or on the flip side, does the fact that none of that came out with people he knew personally (as far as we know at this stage anyway) further indicate that Abby and Libby were the unfortunate victims of years of pent-up, repressed, and carefully hidden violence and perversion? Jmo

Eta: At the very least there was the domestic incident two years before the murders where police were called and arrived at the Allen residence to find RA drunk at 3 30 in the morning. His wife KA then took him to a local hospital for a “medical evaluation”. So even based on this one incident (of which I do not believe it was the only one of its kind) it simply isn’t true that the murders would have been the first display of erratic, out-of-control behavior from him.