Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #203

[sunshineray]

When did any of the eyewitnesses say the man they saw was BG? I have not heard even one of them testify to that.

The teen girl, BB and SC all said yes, that's the guy I saw, during their testimonies.

 

[photographer4]

"I really could believe in a change of clothes but I think there would be likely transfer evidence from blood on footwear : hands / clothes etc. I just can’t believe nothing dna has tied to RA yet. That’s moo"

Six long years to clean up, that's a very long time as far as transfer blood. No RA DNA at the scene? Seems he was a watcher that day, not so much a toucher, maybe due to being interrupted once and then again hear DG calling out. He had a gun to make orders with. Also, all the clothes in the creek says clean up to me. Maybe he took pictures, on that missing phone, instead of touching?

I think RA's spoken words will very much inform the jury on the How and Why of things, to give them a clear picture. AJMO

If he was worried about anything on the phone he had at the time why did he hand it to the DD fella when they met? Doesn’t seem like he was worried over it imo.

I think about other cases where DNA has been found in vehicles years and years later. Most recent one in my memory is Morgan nick.

DNA evidence found in truck leads to suspect in Arkansas girl's 1995 abduction

Modern forensic tests helped identify a suspect in the abduction of Morgan Nick, a 6-year-old who disappeared in Arkansas in 1995.

www.cbsnews.com

and here’s another one:

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4497570

Cars are I guess tricky to rid of DNA despite the years and cleaning, even sometimes changing owners.

I suppose RA could be involved and not the killer and if so would be (should be!!) just as guilty as anyone else involved regardless of role.

I think the “confessions” will be sad to hear and I worry about many things about them. He will could end up convicted but I imagine this case will end up in appeals over various issues for years to come. Or he could end up acquitted. Who knows. Guess we still have to wait and see.

Mooo

 

[aliciacstone]

I tested scaling BG using the timber curb in a still photo from the clip. From what I can find on the construction of a timber bridge based on the period, timber curb sizing, and on photos - the timber curbs should have been 6” H approximately (wish I had a hard measurement). I drew line between bottom of BG foot and the bottom of timber curb then used that same angle to draw a line from the top of the timber curb back to BG, roughly showing where the top of the curb would be on BG(roughly). I used a ruler to try to scale 6” increments and came up with 11 total .. 66” total. This is of course is 1. On a grainy photo that you can’t tell the exact placement of the bottom of his feet to the top of his head but I did try to go the lowest and highest points 2. I do not have a hard measurement on the timber 3. I did this on my phone.
While I don’t think this gives an exact height by any stretch, I think it is indication that BG was shorter in stature.

Also it may have been said here before but while I was getting the still photo to scale, it looks like BG is holding /concealing something under his jacket to me. Through all the stills I snapped, that right hand seems to move slightly under the jacket. At the end of the clip I feel like he slightly shifts the direction of his walk from straight to slight angle more towards in the camera/girls. JMO!

The girls were such good friends and had to endure whatever happened this day together… and the fear they had in their last moments tears me up. The pure evil that can exist within humans to possess the capabilities to hurt a child in any way is so terrifying and that evil hides in plain site as we so often see. These girls deserve justice and I am staying positive they will get it! I had to mention these angels in my post. Thanks to all for keeping this thread updated through the trial.

 

[MassGuy]

If he was worried about anything on the phone he had at the time why did he hand it to the DD fella when they met? Doesn’t seem like he was worried over it imo.

I think about other cases where DNA has been found in vehicles years and years later. Most recent one in my memory is Morgan nick.

DNA evidence found in truck leads to suspect in Arkansas girl's 1995 abduction

Modern forensic tests helped identify a suspect in the abduction of Morgan Nick, a 6-year-old who disappeared in Arkansas in 1995.

www.cbsnews.com

and here’s another one:

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4497570

Cars are I guess tricky to rid of DNA despite the years and cleaning, even sometimes changing owners.

I suppose RA could be involved and not the killer and if so would be (should be!!) just as guilty as anyone else involved regardless of role.

I think the “confessions” will be sad to hear and I worry about many things about them. He will could end up convicted but I imagine this case will end up in appeals over various issues for years to come. Or he could end up acquitted. Who knows. Guess we still have to wait and see.

Mooo

Having a bloody body in your car is very different than what may have happened here. RA could have simply taken his jacket off, which would have greatly minimized any possible blood transfer.

Brian Kohberger is widely believed to have stabbed 4 people to death, yet it doesn't appear that blood was found in his car either.

 

[al66pine]

Def't's Response re Photo?

Reconcile that with him apparently not knowing where the photo of BG came from, and saying that it could not be him if one of the girls took it.

It sounded like he was seeing it for the first time, and for some reason it mattered who took it in determining if it was him or not.

@MassGuy Thx for post w your thought.

Yes, if that convo/interview occurred in fall 2022, then seems dubious for RA to say (suggest/imply/insinuate?) w a straight face, it was first time he saw the photo.

IIRC waaay back, when MSM ran a pic of RA (in CVS? break room/lunch room) in which either that particular photo (or one of the two sketches of suspect?) was hanging right behind him on a wall or bulletin board. Anyone else remember?

Very difficult to imagine imo that over the course of yeeeears, that no employees discussed among themselves RA as a possible perp, and that those discussions never reached RA's ears. To the point where he might have taken notice of pic in wall or utility poles or storefront windows displaying that image?

RA implied he never saw it??? Sorry, ringing up no sale on that point, imo.

 

[sunshineray]

DD was simply obtaining the identifying numbers on his phone, it's not like he would have been scrolling through it. There's no reason to believe Allen took any photos or videos that day anyways.

I know if I interviewed a guy like that, I would certainly be following up to see what came of it. This guy was at a minimum, a great lead, yet as you say, he seems to have forgotten all about him. Had he brought this up again, this would have progressed years ago.

I think DD had faith the actual investigators would follow it up. Somebody marked "cleared" on that tip, loved to know that story. It sounds like DD was doing interviews, canvassing and more. With tips overwhelming them, little sleep, it had to be hard to remember individuals fairly early on, unless you personally knew them. Faces and stories melting together. He was basically a worker bee flying away to gather, returning to deposit and then going back out again. The stress on LE is something not really talked about, like there's just this all powerful entity instead of stressed out and hard working individuals. Errors unfortunately can and do happen and yes they can complicate things. Doesn't mean they finally didn't get there man. And in the case he proved them right by confessing freely , not under interrogation, that he's guilty as charged.
AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

If he was worried about anything on the phone he had at the time why did he hand it to the DD fella when they met? Doesn’t seem like he was worried over it imo.

I think about other cases where DNA has been found in vehicles years and years later. Most recent one in my memory is Morgan nick.

DNA evidence found in truck leads to suspect in Arkansas girl's 1995 abduction

Modern forensic tests helped identify a suspect in the abduction of Morgan Nick, a 6-year-old who disappeared in Arkansas in 1995.

www.cbsnews.com

and here’s another one:

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4497570

Cars are I guess tricky to rid of DNA despite the years and cleaning, even sometimes changing owners.

I suppose RA could be involved and not the killer and if so would be (should be!!) just as guilty as anyone else involved regardless of role.

I think the “confessions” will be sad to hear and I worry about many things about them. He will could end up convicted but I imagine this case will end up in appeals over various issues for years to come. Or he could end up acquitted. Who knows. Guess we still have to wait and see.

Mooo

Because he handed him a phone that was a nothing phone and then disposed of it.

His confessions will be a relief to hear, MO

 

[rez125]

Having a bloody body in your car is very different than what may have happened here. RA could have simply taken his jacket off, which would have greatly minimized any possible blood transfer.

Brian Kohberger is widely believed to have stabbed 4 people to death, yet it doesn't appear that blood was found in his car either.

Kohberger didn't leave the scene in broad daylight.

This is the part I'm struggling with. It's very odd for a murderer to walk around where people can see them covered in blood after the fact.

 

[Simply Caustic]

dbm, forgot to refresh first, oops!

 

[MassGuy]

Kohberger didn't leave the scene in broad daylight.

This is the part I'm struggling with. It's very odd for a murderer to walk around where people can see them covered in blood after the fact.

Even if one doesn’t think Allen did this, someone had to do exactly what he did.

Leave a scene covered in blood. There’s no way around that.

 

[sunshineray]

Kohberger didn't leave the scene in broad daylight.

This is the part I'm struggling with. It's very odd for a murderer to walk around where people can see them covered in blood after the fact.

And yet he did, looking like he slaughtered a pig

 

[MassGuy]

I’m sorry, but this is an insane statement to make. Maybe, maybe, you could have arrested him on just that, but there would be zero chance of a conviction.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849677657731977434

 

[rez125]

And yet he did, looking like he slaughtered a pig

I don't find that witness credible.

 

[rez125]

Even if one doesn’t think Allen did this, someone had to do exactly what he did.

Leave a scene covered in blood. There’s no way around that.

It's very brazen whoever it was!

 

[sunshineray]

I don't find that witness credible.

I do, we disagree

 

[photographer4]

Because he handed him a phone that was a nothing phone and then disposed of it.

His confessions will be a relief to hear, MO

Yeah maybe he had a burner and it wasn’t the one he handed DD. Must have nerves of steel though imo if he killed the kids or was involved and then reported himself / handed over his phone / met with DD and officers etc. mooo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If he was worried about anything on the phone he had at the time why did he hand it to the DD fella when they met? Doesn’t seem like he was worried over it imo.

I think about other cases where DNA has been found in vehicles years and years later. Most recent one in my memory is Morgan nick.

DNA evidence found in truck leads to suspect in Arkansas girl's 1995 abduction

Modern forensic tests helped identify a suspect in the abduction of Morgan Nick, a 6-year-old who disappeared in Arkansas in 1995.

www.cbsnews.com

and here’s another one:

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4497570

Cars are I guess tricky to rid of DNA despite the years and cleaning, even sometimes changing owners.

I suppose RA could be involved and not the killer and if so would be (should be!!) just as guilty as anyone else involved regardless of role.

I think the “confessions” will be sad to hear and I worry about many things about them. He will could end up convicted but I imagine this case will end up in appeals over various issues for years to come. Or he could end up acquitted. Who knows. Guess we still have to wait and see.

Mooo

Did DD ask RA to give him the phone so a forensic examination could be done on it?

 

[MassGuy]

Yeah maybe he had a burner and it wasn’t the one he handed DD. Must have nerves of steel though imo if he killed the kids or was involved and then reported himself / handed over his phone / met with DD and officers etc. mooo

None of that is new. That’s one of the things law enforcement always talks about in cases like this. These guys have been known to insert themselves into the investigation. It’s happened countless times.

He may have been doing just that, or he was worried that it was better to come forward himself, rather than let them find him.

 

[rez125]

None of that is new. That’s one of the things law enforcement always talks about in cases like this. These guys have been known to insert themselves into the investigation. It’s happened countless times.

He may have been doing just that, or he was worried that it was better to come forward himself, rather than let them find him.

Jodi Arias did that

 

[Vern]

I wonder, of those 50,000 or more tips, how many were local people tipping other local citizens? it’s a very common mindset to not expect someone who committed a crime is someone one is acquainted with in any way.

I bet it was very few and the vast majority were strangers tipping strangers, mostly possible suspects gleaned from online searches and news stories.

JMO

It would be interesting just to know how many of them came in on RL after he appeared on the news and they got him to say, "Down the hill". Almost everyone in NATO was freaking out about how "That was him. That was the voice. And, the girls were found on his property!!".

Search Warrant for his place issued. Immediately after, we find out he lied for his alibi, is arrested for parole violation and some of us waited for the 'other shoe to drop' so to speak.

As we came to find out, the "lie" was that it was actually him driving that day and not someone else. He wasn't allowed to drive as a conditon of his parole. RL actually was at the Fish Store buying stuff and therefore alibied for the time of Abby & Libby's murders as evidenced by the receipt found during the search of his home.

I'm guessing that as his interview aired nationally, the number of tips on him was probably in the hundreds after that telecast - if not the thousands.