Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #205

[Vaderman]

Why would he of kept anything?

He knew he had been seen and then that video comes out so he knews he has to get rid of anything incriminating.

I can't imagine the life he's lived of fear and constantly looking over his shoulder from the day the picture came out. Every second must have been pure paranoia.

 

[Yemelyan]

What in the world is “possible semen”?

Analysts (serologists) can test swabs or stains with specific chemicals that react to biological markers present in different body fluids - semen being one of these. It could be that some of the swabs reacted positive for semen with the chemical test but on followup no male DNA profile could be developed. It means semen "possibly" was there even though it cannot be proved with certainty.

 

[Rosegold68]

Just catching up….

So it was a MALE jury member with a family emergency not a female as was much speculated…with the ususs as l ‘bound to be a woman’ ‘gotta be a female’…it wasn’t….thanks for clarification

 

[MassGuy]

Just catching up….

So it was a MALE jury member with a family emergency not a female as was much speculated…with the ususs as l ‘bound to be a woman’ ‘gotta be a female’…it wasn’t….thanks for clarification

It was mathematically likely, as three of the four alternates were women. I didn't see that speculation but I don't doubt it.

 

[Rosegold68]

‘mathematically likely’ or not…..it wasn’t.

Glad they’ve restructured the jury

 

[shonyakay]

What in the world is “possible semen”?

From the Madeleine McCann case there was information that what could possibly be a semen stain found on a bed cover could actually be saliva. Turns out it was not semen but saliva from a baby that stayed in the holiday apartment.

 

[INfisherman]

I can't imagine the life he's lived of fear and constantly looking over his shoulder from the day the picture came out. Every second must have been pure paranoia.

He didn’t care.

JMO

 

[Bergmann]

That’s what oxygen based bleach is for.

Want to Get Away With Murder? Use a Special Detergent

Gotta get rid of that evidence, you know?

www.discovermagazine.com

You'll have to forgive me for not being able to keep up with the various theories, is the state's contention that this was a planned or unplanned crime?

Taking precautions like hats/ gloves and use of that type of bleach - does that indicate planning.

Of course now we're in court to suggest the use of oxygen bleach (no idea what that is!) would require a receipt or proof easy access etc.

 

[Bergmann]

From the Madeleine McCann case there was information that what could possibly be a semen stain found on a bed cover could actually be saliva. Turns out it was not semen but saliva from a baby that stayed in the holiday apartment.

So it could have been saliva?

 

[gremlin444]

Surprised this snippet hasn't been picked up on more from Stacy Boziniski -

Quoted by @arielilane who was quoting @MaxLewisTV


I'd love to understand more about what this means (and what it doesn't too, there's quite enough unhelpful speculation as it is!)

Tests for identification of body fluids

In this article, Devina Sikdar from Project 39A explores the different tests used for identification of body fluids and their limitations.

www.futurelearn.com

Forensic Science - Serology

dps.mn.gov

So, there are two kinds of forensic tests performed when trying to detect semen, sweat, blood, etc.

Presumptive testing: presumptive tests are used to narrow down which samples should be sent for further testing. They analyze a sample and come back with either 1) sample is definitely NOT that substance they are looking for or 2) it is potentially that substance, must confirm with further testing.

Confirmatory testing: confirmatory tests are the next step. They are the tests required to fully confirm the analysis--either it is 1) definitely the substance or 2) definitely NOT the substance. They cost more than presumptive tests and consume more of the sample, so presumptive tests are often done to see if confirmatory tests are needed.

For semen, there are several presumptive tests:

1) BCIP--Potential semen stains can be identified using ALS (alternative light source). Semen stains will fluoresce, along with other body fluids and various other stains. These fluorescent stains can then be swabbed and tested using BCIP which reacts with the acid phosphatase found in seminal fluid. When acid phosphatase is present, the reaction will cause the swabs to turn teal blue. BCIP testing is typically done on items of clothing or bedding. The BCIP test is a presumptive test for the presence of semen &/or seminal fluid. Vaginal secretions and other body fluids also contain small levels of this enzyme and can give false positive results

2) p30: p30 is a presumptive test for the presence of human prostate-specific p30 protein found in seminal fluid. The p30 test works through an antigen-antibody reaction. Antibodies are present on the p30 card and if the antigen is present (p30 protein) in a sample, then a reaction occurs on the test site (T) of the card. The p30 test is a presumptive test for the presence of semen &/or seminal fluid.

 

[Myvice]

You'll have to forgive me for not being able to keep up with the various theories, is the state's contention that this was a planned or unplanned crime?

Taking precautions like hats/ gloves and use of that type of bleach - does that indicate planning.

Of course now we're in court to suggest the use of oxygen bleach (no idea what that is!) would require a receipt or proof easy access etc.

Didn't the witnesses say he was overdressed for the weather? wearing a face covering and layering his clothing could very well lead to thinking it was preplanned. JmHO

 

[Kateangelilli]

If he was covered in blood like he “slaughtered a pig” there surely would have been DNA in his car.

 

[tlcya]

From the Madeleine McCann case there was information that what could possibly be a semen stain found on a bed cover could actually be saliva. Turns out it was not semen but saliva from a baby that stayed in the holiday apartment.

yes, initial testing methods may have flagged certain areas for swabbing because "possible" semen but then upon testing there was determined to be no semen present. I don't get why people act shocked by this. It is my belief that lots of potential evidence is collected but then is found not to contain anything of evidentiary value. IMO

 

[Kudzuu]

Just wanted to check--does Grisham talk about spontaneous prisoner confessions or does he just focus on confessions during interrogations pre-arrest?

Interrogations. But he also talks about snitches and lots of other things. It is pretty scary stuff if you are innocent.
Jurors tend to be law abiding LE respecting people and trust cops so a confession is huge.

 

[Peppery]

You'll have to forgive me for not being able to keep up with the various theories, is the state's contention that this was a planned or unplanned crime?

Taking precautions like hats/ gloves and use of that type of bleach - does that indicate planning.

Of course now we're in court to suggest the use of oxygen bleach (no idea what that is!) would require a receipt or proof easy access etc.

Oxygen bleach, aka Oxyclean and store brands, is likely found in majority of households. Especially those with animals or children. All imo.

 

[INfisherman]

NIf he was covered in blood like he “slaughtered a pig” there surely would have been DNA in his car.

Latex gloves, layered clothing, trash bags in trunk of car which was backed in. Arrive to car, use key fob to pop trunk, peel off outer layers, gloves, shoes, throw in trash bag, get spare slip on shoes & get in car & drive away. Not even five minutes, if that I’d bet.

JMO

 

[Bergmann]

Didn't the witnesses say he was overdressed for the weather? wearing a face covering and layering his clothing could very well lead to thinking it was preplanned. JmHO

I get that but I'm still unsure as to whether the state's theory is that this was planned or not - IMO this is significant in terms of types of proof offered.

I know that the planned vs unplanned thing has been grossly speculated upon from the get go 7 years ago!

 

[Myvice]

<modsnip - quoted post was removed (off topic) - the following refers to AV equipment LE used>


Some of the early mistakes could be the result of the fact that there were many people called in to help with the case that weren't familiar with the particular devices used in that office. That could explain the interviews that were taped over accidentally. Just a thought and MOO

 

[shonyakay]

I can't imagine the life he's lived of fear and constantly looking over his shoulder from the day the picture came out. Every second must have been pure paranoia.

And if he did it then good.

Can you imagine how much his paranoia increased after the 2019 second sketch presser?

Paraphrasing LE, We want information on a car that was seen parked at the CPS building.

"We believe you are hiding in plain sight."

"We know this is about power to you."

"You want to know what we know."

"We may have interviewed you."

Yeah the sketch that didn't really look like him was released but they also released the video of "BG" walking on the bridge and he didn't look like the second sketch either.

He went to a mental institution for a week in 2019 according to Dr. Wala's testimony. I want to know on what date.

 

[MassGuy]

You'll have to forgive me for not being able to keep up with the various theories, is the state's contention that this was a planned or unplanned crime?

Taking precautions like hats/ gloves and use of that type of bleach - does that indicate planning.

Of course now we're in court to suggest the use of oxygen bleach (no idea what that is!) would require a receipt or proof easy access etc.

I don’t know what the state has said in regards to this being planned or not.

You don’t bring a box cutter, gun, and not have your phone turned on if you’re not planning on committing a crime though.

He took precautions, and was prepared. I don’t think the girls were the plan, until he saw them. That would just be too perfect based on what we know and how he approached them.

He got lucky.

Cleaning up post offense doesn’t tell us if this crime was planned or not. He’d do that regardless.