Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #206

[Justice101]

Interesting RA knows the neighbors and coworkers will believe he is a murdering pervert.

When Richard Allen says: “it doesn’t matter it’s all over”, that’s another confession, imo.

And as is like his type: someone else has ruined his life.


all imo

His lawyer can spin that and say RA thought they were there to confiscate an illegal gun he had or tax invasion or whatever.. not murder of 2 girls. the "confession" to too general.

 

[ClearAhead]

How on earth would they know that the killer hadn’t used the scarf to restrain one or both of the victims? That is so ridiculous- it’s at a crime scene- moo

As no DNA was found on it, where it came from can’t be proven.

BBM

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She told the jury that the green scarf from the creek “may not have been related to the timing of the crime.” She says there is no DNA on it.

 

[Bbgiraffe]

Interesting RA knows the neighbors and coworkers will believe he is a murdering pervert.

When Richard Allen says: “it doesn’t matter it’s all over”, that’s another confession, imo.

And as is like his type: someone else has ruined his life.


all imo

He's worried about his reputation yet does nothing to help preserve it.

 

[Poedelini]

The entire case against RA is based upon multiple confessions/admissions prior to arrest.

Without his admissions to being on the trails form 1.30, seeing the juvenile girls, going on the first platform, dressed as BG, there is no case against him.

He has been confessing all along.

IMO

Yes, i agree! That is exactly my opinion.
Im extremely curious how this trial will play out. I suspect whatever the outcome will be, it will be impactful.

Thinking of Abby and Libby. <3

 

[Vern]

A gift? I wouldn't classify a man confessing to the brutal murders of two children over 61 times a gift. More like that's a man that's guilty and desperately wanting to own up to what he's done...heartwrenching, soul-searching atonement. JMO

Exactly; and important to note that the recently posted timelines of his medical episodes includes a confession that he made after those episodes began (it's brought up, but is not a medical espisode), but there are also at least two confessions, including the written one to the warden, that pre-date those medical espisodes.

Missing the forest because of the trees and all that.

Why didn't his lawyers order up that psych evaluation if RA was so psychotic? Did they care more about the case and their good names than their client? There's a reason for everything they do ... and everything they do not do IMO.

Also IMO, "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" does not equal "innocent at all cost".

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848802630685901295

 

[Simply Southern]

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Oct 28, 2024

Could shock cause unconsciousness??

I imagine that she could have had a vasovagal syncope (fainting) from fright (moo). This is where stress / fear cause the vagus nerve to contract and one faints due to sudden drop in blood pressure:
Vasovagal Syncope: Symptoms, Causes and Treatment

But I don't have any guesses on how long that might render one out cold for.

MOO

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Vasovagal syncope - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

"...causing you to briefly lose consciousness...Recovery after a vasovagal episode generally begins in less than a minute."

Both my sons (teens at the time) have had vasovagal syncopes in the last 5 years, and that tracks with their experiences. One cut his hand mildly deeply with sharp knife in the kitchen, yelled for my husband, they met in the bathroom 5 feet away, and my son's eyes rolled back and he went down. Luckily my husband was able to catch him before his head hit the tub or the tile floor. He was out for about 40 seconds (I was in the doorway when he started to slump). For my other kid, he had it happen when an urgent care doctor was palpating his forearms, which we suspected were broken (yup, both of them were, and it was ulna and radius on both!). His lasted only about 20 seconds.

Nowhere near long enough to slowly bleed out from the kind of neck injury Abby had.

I’ve experienced this three times in my life.

In the 80s I was pulled by LE. The office ran my license, then ask me to step out of the car. He informed me there was an arrest warrant for me in NC. I fainted stone cold. I remember overwhelming fear and not being able to breathe.
I awoke to the officer patting my face, telling me it was a joke. He had noticed me around town and wanted to meet me. He was clearly as shaken up, as I. Lucky my BF was with me and drove me home.
No, I did not report the officer. He was new, young and clearly scared to death for my health. I socially encountered him over the years at community events and he turned out to be an outstanding officer.

The other two were at funerals.

Moo

 

[Jade]

His lawyer can spin that and say RA thought they were there to confiscate an illegal gun he had or tax invasion or whatever.. not murder of 2 girls. the "confession" to too general.

Right. Just interesting window into RA's frame of mind and his future confessions.

But clearly, imo, Richard Allen is talking about the kidnapping and murder of the girls when says LE has interviewed friends and neighbors and everyone thought he did it and it ruined his life.


All imo

 

[girlhasnoname]

The state's case is as weak as water.

These confessions if anything substantial would be a gift for the state.

In your opinion the State's case is weak as water, I don't see it as weak. Everything in the world would have had to align against RA for him NOT to be BG=Killer. He even places himself there in 2 separate LE discussions.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

I’ve experienced this three times in my life.

In the 80s I was pulled by LE. The office ran my license, then ask me to step out of the car. He informed me there was an arrest warrant for me in NC. I fainted stone cold. I remember overwhelming fear and not being able to breathe.
I awoke to the officer patting my face, telling me it was a joke. He had noticed me around town and wanted to meet me. He was clearly as shaken up, as I. Lucky my BF was with me and drove me home.
No, I did not report the officer. He was new, young and clearly scared to death for my health. I socially encountered him over the years at community events and he turned out to be an outstanding officer.

The other two were at funerals.

Moo

Wow, what a story! Glad you recovered!

 

[Justice101]

As no DNA was found on it, where it came from can’t be proven.

BBM

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She told the jury that the green scarf from the creek “may not have been related to the timing of the crime.” She says there is no DNA on it.

I wonder if RA used gloves.

 

[DoctorRose]

Absolutely fine, you don't have to agree with me or I with you. I'm aware my perspective is coloured by my neurotype.

But the serious offender who passed for normal? That's a thing, regardless. Far more do that than most people would be comfortable with accepting. I think it comes as less of a shock to me than some, because I never assume that I understand a person's intentions because of their face. I find a face a very unreliable indicator of anything, good or ill.

MOO

Granted I’m neurodivergent too but I think it’s safe to say there’s no science in judging a book by it’s cover. I don’t think we can tell anyone’s guilt or innocence by their eyes or even facial expressions.

As an example caused by an invisible physical difference, my mother is blind in one eye, but her eyes appear normal. That blindness causes her to look different to others when she’s making eye contact or looking at something though because she has a limited field of vision and can’t peek through a peripheral on one side. People have thought she looked angry or was glaring when she wasn’t.

 

[shonyakay]

True. Context is everything.

JMO MOO JMT

Sure is. Just like when he told Dr. Wala that he killed his friends and his family (figuratively).

 

[m00c0w]

It's really quite amazing just how much they didn't do.

This is what happens when you don't follow the evidence. It's tunnel vision.

Except according to multiple other sources, they did do what is being claimed wasn’t done.

JMO

 

[DoctorRose]

“We had interviewed his neighbors & coworkers & everyone thought he did it…”

So everyone thought he was guilty? They knew him best, they could be right!

That’s what RA said, to me it sounds more like embarrassment. Like a kid who does something embarrassing at school would be like “my life is over, all my friends think I’m a loser now. I can never go back to school”. He was expressing embarrassment over the police asking people he knew for information about him.

 

[m00c0w]

I do wonder how this case appears for the Jury who are not so close to it.

For instance, we've all known about the video and priced it in. But imagine a reality where RA was arrested based only off timeline and bullet, and then the video had been revealed at trial. Would it be seen as a smoking gun?

For a juror who hasn't followed all of this for years, and doesn't (hopefully) have knowledge of all the macabre backstories and discarded theories/conspiracies - is this case actually not quite simple at it's heart?

BG did these murders within minutes of the abduction, and was gone that afternoon - numerous eyewitnesses saw him, and there is video of him, and Libby's phone corroborates how it went down.

So is RA = BG?

How can he not be if it's his car, and he saw the juvenile girls? Even before confessions and bullets?

MOO

Gray Hughes actually has a pretty great depiction of the timeline based on the relevant evidence and testimony that we’ve seen. When looking at it like that, it’s next to impossible that RA is not BG. One thing I never realized before then is that for RA to not be BG, he would have had to actually pass BB on the trails as she was walking to MHB based on how everything times out. It just doesn’t work in his favor.

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

“We had interviewed his neighbors & coworkers & everyone thought he did it…”

So everyone thought he was guilty? They knew him best, they could be right!

By all the reports I've read, no one had anything bad to say about him. And then the police came knocking on everyone's door.

Many people have great trust in the law and believe if they suspect someone of something then it must be true. I was one of those people for many years.

 

[steeltowngirl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851230425328328818

 

[Megnut]

As no DNA was found on it, where it came from can’t be proven.

BBM

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She told the jury that the green scarf from the creek “may not have been related to the timing of the crime.” She says there is no DNA on it.

Really important point. She did test it! That is how she determined there was no DNA on it (the green scarf). You can't test what isn't there.

JMO

 

[Vaderman]

RA wasn't arrested and charged based on these, that was the PCA which the state hasn't effectively landed in court IMO.

That's what is giving me my uneasiness. Even if the confessions are solid and he's 100% the guy, they never would have been obtained without his arrest. I'm really struggling on whether or not there was enough to arrest him.

 

[MiniMoo]

“We had interviewed his neighbors & coworkers & everyone thought he did it…”

So everyone thought he was guilty? They knew him best, they could be right!

I remember two detectives interviewing me around 8:30am one morning regarding some guy next door that was suddenly unalive around 6 am.

Their interrogation made me feel like I was a suspect plus it didn't help that I wasn't allowed to leave for 3 days until they gave me the all clear.

Actually, a number of us couldn't leave!

All we knew is that some guy was alive one minute and very much unalive the next.

It doesn't take much for anyone to come under an umbrella of suspicion when two detectives turn up at your front door because someone just metres away is suddenly unalive for no apparent reason.


JMO MOO JMT