Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #206

[photographer4]

I haven't seen that in the cases i've seen that have had competency exams. The perception usually is that it is a means for someone to claim they're insane but they're not actually insane. Like Lori Daybell. or Letecia. Lori was incompetent but "restored to competency" so she could stand trial and aide in her defense.

IMO RA's attorneys have done him a huge disservice not getting his competency evaluated very early on or at least when his behavior really took a nosedive. This would discredit all the confessions.

I'm not familiar with those cases but you sparked a question:

WHat makes you think they need a mental health professional to do this? The ones I am aware of were not all that convincing imo. I don't have a link to them at the moment aside the one I posted earlier which was a reporter's reconstruction of RA's written "confession" to the warden (search my posts to find this pls as no link handy).

 

[Salah11]

He admits he was out on the bridge and dressed like the killer and he has confessed loads.

It’s time to lock him up and throw away the key

 

[SouthEnd]

I'm not familiar with those cases but you sparked a question:

WHat makes you think they need a mental health professional to do this? The ones I am aware of were not all that convincing imo. I don't have a link to them at the moment aside the one I posted earlier which was a reporter's reconstruction of RA's written "confession" to the warden (search my posts to find this pls as no link handy).

Because that's how the system operates. If there is no process and a professional to assess the mental state then anyone who changes their mind could scream "mental stress!" and can get their incriminating actions and confessions thrown out. IMO

 

[ClearAhead]

"I don't have psychological issues because I went out and killed two girls."

Was that the end of it or did he elaborate on his issues root cause?

I get from this he’s stating his urge to kill was so strong that he sacrificed Libby and Abby (aka murdered them) to save himself (aka from suicide). Now since he’s incarserated he has a regular treatment plan for his psychological issues. What a disgusting, repulsive creature! JMO

 

[Bbgiraffe]

I'm not familiar with those cases but you sparked a question:

WHat makes you think they need a mental health professional to do this? The ones I am aware of were not all that convincing imo. I don't have a link to them at the moment aside the one I posted earlier which was a reporter's reconstruction of RA's written "confession" to the warden (search my posts to find this pls as no link handy).

Are you asking why i think they need a mental health professional to conduct a competency exam? I think that because who else would do a psychological evaluation on someone standing trial? I'm not aware of any other means by which to have competency evaluated without the person talking to a psychiatrist or other mental health professional.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I’m waiting for -details only known to the killer - early on before discovery was served ..
JMO

So am I. So far, not heard it, and court is done for today. I wonder if they will revisit confessions tomorrow.

During cross-examination, one of Allen's defense attorneys asked Clemons if Allen said how they were killed.

Clemons said, "He didn't say anything specific."

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 10| Jury watches Richard Allen's police interviews, testimony on alleged confessions

In the Delphi Murders Trial on Tuesday, video evidence of Richard Allen's interview with police was seen in court for the first time. It was also the first time the court heard Allen's voice.

www.wrtv.com

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I can think of at least one other alternative - he acted alone.

JMO

Oh absolutely- but the premise of “if other people were involved why would he have not turned on them” - was the context of my answer- acting alone wasn’t an option in that scenario - moo

 

[MassGuy]

So am I. So far, not heard it, and court is done for today. I wonder if they will revisit confessions tomorrow.

During cross-examination, one of Allen's defense attorneys asked Clemons if Allen said how they were killed.

Clemons said, "He didn't say anything specific."

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 10| Jury watches Richard Allen's police interviews, testimony on alleged confessions

In the Delphi Murders Trial on Tuesday, video evidence of Richard Allen's interview with police was seen in court for the first time. It was also the first time the court heard Allen's voice.

www.wrtv.com

This is just the tip of the iceberg (considering there are 60 and some are recorded). I'm sure they'll start right up with more of the same tomorrow.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

is he facing the death penalty? i thought it was 130 years max sentence.

I’ll have to check- I thought so but not 100% -
Edit- No he’s not - it’s not a DP case

 

[ClearAhead]

I’m just guessing they wouldn’t be. Don’t quote me on that.

I’d just be very surprised if those cameras captured audio, as that’s not why they’re there.

Yeah possibly no audio. Remember the allegations the D was videoed, camera only, during meetings with RA in the prison but a lip reader would figure out what was discussed during their private conversations? lol

 

[ClearAhead]

I don’t think so- I would think that the D would be thinking along my lines honestly- if he yelled “I did it” 60 times in a row- I would not characterize that as 60 confessions personally- and it makes the P look like they inflated their numbers a bit- I’d call those 3 a single “confession” - I personally would have thought he confessed on 60+ occasions vs 60+ utterances by the way the P was describing it- could just be me- moo

These don’t include testimony involving the transcripts of confessions recorded on the phone to RA’s wife and mother.

 

[Dhighsmith]

I’ve attempted searching, is The Prosecutors podcast an approved source since they’re partnering with The Murder Sheets on Delphi trial? There was recent information released by The Prosecutors on Keegan Kline and the search of the river. An update new to me on the purpose of search of the river and why, which may be known to others and I’m just behind on this info.

 

[m00c0w]

I’ve attempted searching, is The Prosecutors podcast an approved source since they’re partnering with The Murder Sheets on Delphi trial? There was recent information released by The Prosecutors on Keegan Kline and the search of the river. An update new to me on the purpose of search of the river and why, which may be known to others and I’m just behind on this info.

From what I recall, it’s because KAK “confessed” that he was in Delphi with his dad and his dad killed the girls. Threw the knife in the Wabash. No knife was found, Jeep wasn’t on surveillance video, phones put KAK and TK at home all day that day.

Is that the gist of it, because that’s all in the court record from the 3 day hearings I think.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

I’ve attempted searching, is The Prosecutors podcast an approved source since they’re partnering with The Murder Sheets on Delphi trial? There was recent information released by The Prosecutors on Keegan Kline and the search of the river. An update new to me on the purpose of search of the river and why, which may be known to others and I’m just behind on this info.

I believe (for now) the Klines are off limits on this thread. Head over to the Kline thread: GUILTY - IN - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Simply Caustic]

It is interesting to me, IMO, that some, not all of the contingent who have latched onto and monetized their input on the Delphi Murders (some for many years) are vociferously supporting that RA is innocent, and IMO it’s not a far leap for me to believe that they might not want the cash flow to taper off and eventually cease (as it naturally would, once the trial was completed, If a guilty verdict was reached.)
To say that they’re above reproach but that a random prison guard is part of a wide-reaching conspiracy is fallacy, IMO - cui bono? And all that, but again - JMO.

 

[NuttMegg]

Agree.

For me you have to have decided in advance that RA is guilty and then force fit the evidence you see to this preconceived conclusion, and then expend a great deal of effort finding ways to reject or obfuscate evidence that appears to contradict this.

JMO

I'm not the person you're addressing, but I have every right as an anonymous analytical observer to decide guilty or not guilty based on what I've read or heard over the years. And to predict the actions of a fellow American based on my decades of observing human behavior.

We don't have to pretend we're on the jury, receiving carefully screened evidence.

The problem with blindly supporting the decision of a jury is that we know for sure a lot of evidence will be suppressed. JMO

Look at the treadmill baby killer, the jury never learned he called his own mother to tell her how to revise her testimony to help him out.

 

[flashy09]

He admits he was out on the bridge and dressed like the killer and he has confessed loads.

It’s time to lock him up and throw away the key

When you add the hard evidence of his car on video and the bullet at the scene it really is a strong case.

I think people are thrown off by his volunteering information and the keeping of the car, jacket (perhaps replaced), gun, ...but that is exactly what he is ... half "mastermind," half wanting to be caught. He is strategic in not looking suspicious or shady. But it's also leaving the door open. He says he wore a "blue or black" jacket. He confesses and retracts. His timeline changes. He just keeps giving and taking. He is conflicted. I don't think he is a psychopath, but someone who has fought himself his whole life.

I know some people will be hung up on the witness descriptions, but they are actually fantastic. They describe his demeanor, his odd attire, and all say BG photo is a match. If you take his original timeline - the one backed up by video of his car and his original interview with Dulin- RA is who they saw. RA is BG. BG killed the girls.

 

[sunshineray]

From Delphi Murders trial: Day 10 live blog

[From the interview with Mulin]
In the video, Allen said there were two cars at the end of the trail near the entrance, a “sedan and an SUV.” Allen says he left around 1-1:30-1:45.

I expect that because there has been no conclusive evidence confirming or denying (yes there is some that appears to contradict but not yet proven is my point) that the issue of when Allen arrived and left is going to be a significant part of the defense's case in chief.

JMO

Do we believe the two girls, a time stamped photo and BB? All saying the picture of BG is the guy they saw that day?

Do we believe RA who 2 days after the murders self-reports himself to LE saying he was there at the place, at the same times as those witnesses?

RA said he saw 4 of them, then he said he was on the first platform on the bridge, dressed in the same clothes as BG, on the bridge right before Abby and Libby get there, JUST like BB said.

RA's words 2 days after the murders are corroborated by the witnesses BUT then...

6 years later he changes the time, BUT only after the search warrant is served and right before he's arrested.

Who do we believe in a situation such as this?

 

[photographer4]

Are you asking why i think they need a mental health professional to conduct a competency exam? I think that because who else would do a psychological evaluation on someone standing trial? I'm not aware of any other means by which to have competency evaluated without the person talking to a psychiatrist or other mental health professional.

No I was asking why you think an assessment from the D is required to debunk the confessions? I have not seen many but the one I did see didn't convince me of his guilt - no mental health professional needed (for me). Mooo

 

[Betty P]

That's the whole point. Can we really trust his confessions? Should it be up to other people to assert if he was faking it or not?

Yes, there are experts who can tell which are false confessions and which ones are real. They have to be viewed in the context of when he made them, under which circumstances, who he confessed to and the content of the confessions.