Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

[Inthedetails]

If Allen was spooked by a man or a van why would he take the time to position branches on the girls?

I think he moved them across the creek to get away from the van - and that interrupted his attempted SA of them but then he had some distance and time to murder and cover up.

That's how I'm taking it anyway, if it's true. Do we know such a van was there?

jmo

 

[Bbgiraffe]

I think he moved them across the creek to get away from the van - and that interrupted his attempted SA of them but then he had some distance and time to murder and cover up.

That's how I'm taking it anyway, if it's true. Do we know such a van was there?

jmo

That was my impression from what I read also. The Van/man showed up and he made them go across. Didnt Brad maybe Brian Weber say he was checking on his parents house and went in his work van around that time? I could be misremembering.

 

[minor4th]

I’ve been following this case for a couple of years. The more I read about the trial, the more I wonder if they got the wrong guy. In those interviews he sounded like a completely innocent man, and it seemed like he had no idea how the girls were actually killed.

Not to mention, he is not getting a fair trial IMO. Many of the judge’s rulings have just been nuts. IMO. She was wrong to preclude any third party defense, and she’s letting the prosecution enter into evidence all kinds of irrelevant info and even evidence that any other judge would exclude.

He was treated inhumanly before trial, and it’s not hard to believe that he was in an ongoing state of psychosis when he made all of those confessions, many of which are bizarre and even factually inaccurate.

To me, the bullet evidence is not compelling because even the expert admitted that the markings could “match” other guns besides RA’s.

At this point, I cannot confidently say whether he is guilty or not, but I could not convict him on this evidence. I have even more doubts because of the way the judge has ruled pre-trial, but the jury doesn’t know all that.

I realize I’m in the minority here, but as a lawyer, I believe fiercely in the right to a fair trial and due process - that has not happened in this case.

 

[scapa]

yep, this case has for sure made me reevaluate which ones are on my very short list of "the good ones"

Me too. It's a _short_ shortlist.

Interested to see how jury responds to and makes sense of this series of... confessional utterances? Prosecution seems to be laying them out in order from less comprehensive/ offered to person in relatively low position of authority to more comprehensive/ offered to more authoritative listener.

 

[AugustWest]

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1851667282721968220

 

[katydid23]

It isn't really detailed and was this before or after the Discovery? I think after.

JMO MOO JMT

But what was his purpose in confessing to the warden and to his therapist? For what reason?

 

[Vaderman]

I think he moved them across the creek to get away from the van - and that interrupted his attempted SA of them but then he had some distance and time to murder and cover up.

That's how I'm taking it anyway, if it's true. Do we know such a van was there?

jmo

That's how I interpreted it as well.

 

[mrjitty]

Yes. The Odinism theory is completely looney tunes, and the evidence as we know it does not support the theory when put under any sort of real scrutiny.

For instance, we’re supposed to believe that RA’s confessions to anyone that would listen are the result of mental instability and not to be believed, but the alleged uncorroborated confessions of a potentially mentally handicapped individual are magically extraordinary proof of his involvement.

I particularly like that they have to move the murders like 12 hours, introduce a kidnapping theory that has zero support, let the jury believe that 2+ people would be able to do this without being seen or leaving any traces, that BG either didn’t kidnap the girls or was one of these two people that don’t fit the descriptions…

I think this is a huge mistake being made by the defense, and it will only assist the prosecution. I can’t believe they’re still on this.

JMO

don’t forget the conspiracy that the killer was a woman!

 

[Inthedetails]

ugh, DUH
thank you!! you're right (& you're right that this was a reminder I needed -- thank you)


him talking to the police without an attorney to the extent he did (and then thinking at first he'd find an attorney on his own to defend his innoceI t

I don't interpret his interview behavior as being grandiose but, instead, as rather unsophisticated. I don't think he's dumb, but perhaps unaware of what he should do when questioned by the police (don't talk and get a lawyer!). I think he got mad because he was frustrated, chagrin, and scared, not because he felt entitled. He knew luck was running out and that his wife was about to learn ugly truths about him (more than what she already knew about him).

He wanted to be "ordinary" and hide in plain sight, which I don't see as grandiose.

My interpretation, not fact, of course.

jmopinion

 

[ClearAhead]

If Allen was spooked by a man or a van why would he take the time to position branches on the girls?

It appears first they were down the hill, maybe under the bridge when the van scared him so they crossed the creek. It wouldn’t take long to toss a couple of branches on the bodies, especially if they were close by. Only the D claims the branches were ‘positioned’. JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

That was my impression from what I read also. The Van/man showed up and he made them go across. Didnt Brad maybe Brian Weber say he was checking on his parents house and went in his work van around that time? I could be misremembering.

Yes, I'm remembering that person arriving but can't remember the type of vehicle.

jmo

 

[Megnut]

If Allen was spooked by a man or a van why would he take the time to position branches on the girls?

A little truth in every lie...

I think RA is still keeping a dirty little secret (about what happened after he forced two little girls to undress at gunpoint point).

I think the truth is he got spooked while he was building a mesh of branches to hide the evidence/bodies, that's what he wasn't able to finish.

Perhaps his internet searches will illuminate the minutes he skimmed over.

JMO

 

[BUF]

And why not just run away leaving girls, he was so concerned about being disturbed he continued on with his crimes still in broad daylight

I wish he would have….Abby & Libby would be alive today.

But he obviously brought weapons with him that day, so imo SA wasn’t the only thing on his mind, driving him.

 

[fred&edna]

From witnesses who are in court there was a huge amount of leaves and stuff on floor where girls found he could have used that,

Most dry leaves rarely stay where I place them... particularly if only using my hands... but, then again, I don't think I've attempted it since I was a child. lol

jmo

 

[shonyakay]

IMO From the questions, the jury seems logical. I almost want the odinism to be admitted because I think this jury would have difficult to contain the laughter. On another hand, it is possible that there is 1 or 2 jurors into conspiracies theories, so..

I don't understand his defense. In my opinion, seems the best defense here is to attack the errors in the investigation...

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[katydid23]

Some random thoughts.

He says he lost the bullet when he says down the hill but that isn't possible

Didn't he say he ' thought he MIGHT have lost it on the bridge? '

He says used off trail to stay hidden after committing the murder so who did SC see that was muddy and bloody

He probably did stay off trail most of the way....

Jury will have to weigh a confession against when he obtained discovery

I don't think discovery is all that important. Just the sheer number of confessions and the details offered for his motivation, his new religious convictions, his morning activities, his prior molestations, his family dysfunction, ALL of it mixed together with his many confessions make him seem believable. IMO

I think the jury may take him at this word.

 

[justtrish]

I couldn't wait for trial so I could hear from those who bravely came forward to piece together a timeline. I was right and they are all brave. They were going about their daily lives and they had a chance encounter with a man who stuck out to them. They noted it and carried on with their day. Then they find out this man had brutally murdered 2 girls and THEY had seen him AND he had seen them. They helped the best they could and they all say the man in that photo is the man they saw. No reason to lie about that.. NONE of them have any reason to lie.. no money is offered, no good comes to them for lying about this, yet they are dismissed, called liars, and told they just came forward for money.

I wanted to hear how this tip was misfiled. It bothered me that this big of a tip was missed. I assumed it was an innocent error in the mix of a massive investigation.. I was right. No conspiracy here. He came forward because his wife said he should. He told the officer a story about his day just a few days after it happened.. it was written down and misfiled. Only after he was called in to talk again did he change his story.. for most of us that would be a sign he's lying now to cover his butt.. only for some this is a sign that they are trying to frame RA because he really was there like he said 5 years later at 12-130.. oh if he only had that phone proof that this was in fact true vs what he said in 2017.

I wanted to hear the confessions because I just couldn't understand why and who could.. it's the worst of the worst crimes when a stranger harms children and it's all too much to understand. So today it is confirmed his why. Yet some still think it's just not true, he was treated poorly saw the discovery and just told this story over and over for some reason.

I think the jury is seeing that this case is actually really simple and a misfiled tip delayed justice, but it was there to get all along. The biggest hero of all left a video that showed us and some think that isn't him, he was too far away, we didn't see his mouth move, maybe another man was there, etc.

There was never a conspiracy. There was just a lot of brave witnesses that came forward, 2 incredibly brave girls that stuck together in their final moments and recorded their killer, and hard working LEOs that poured their heart and soul into finding justice for these precious girls. If not for that tip being misfiled this would have been solved a long time ago.. yet now we have a circus.

All my opinion of course

 

[katydid23]

It could if he is going off of the Discovery rather than his own memory.

We will find out soon enough I'm sure.

JMO MOO JMT

Why is he making all of these confessions? Can anyone explain that?

If he is an innocent man, wanting to prove his innocence, why is he making detailed believable confessions to his warden, his therapist and his wife and mother?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I’ve been following this case for a couple of years. The more I read about the trial, the more I wonder if they got the wrong guy. In those interviews he sounded like a completely innocent man, and it seemed like he had no idea how the girls were actually killed.

Not to mention, he is not getting a fair trial IMO. Many of the judge’s rulings have just been nuts. IMO. She was wrong to preclude any third party defense, and she’s letting the prosecution enter into evidence all kinds of irrelevant info and even evidence that any other judge would exclude.

He was treated inhumanly before trial, and it’s not hard to believe that he was in an ongoing state of psychosis when he made all of those confessions, many of which are bizarre and even factually inaccurate.

To me, the bullet evidence is not compelling because even the expert admitted that the markings could “match” other guns besides RA’s.

At this point, I cannot confidently say whether he is guilty or not, but I could not convict him on this evidence. I have even more doubts because of the way the judge has ruled pre-trial, but the jury doesn’t know all that.

I realize I’m in the minority here, but as a lawyer, I believe fiercely in the right to a fair trial and due process - that has not happened in this case.

Do you feel that the defendant will have any conviction overturned on appeal because of the things you state?

 

[Mitch1]

If he was wearing work boots or lifts he would have looked 2 or 3 inches taller. And the witnesses on the trail were very young/teens. Their ability to estimate height is probably not great. Their reference is teen boys which are quite ofter 5 foot 4 or 5 themselves. I don't think a man wearing hiking boots would look that unusually short to a group of teen girls, IMO

Wouldn’t expect anyone to estimate height but something as simple as he was “short” when describing who they saw is something a general description should elicit. IMO