Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

[Willow Knight]

It isn't really what only the killer would know though and there is no mention of how the girls were unalived nor in-depth details.

And...if he was drinking and crossing a treacherous bridge like that under the influence how possible really would it be to keep one's balance and not stagger or fall through any of those gaps let alone control just one person.

JMO MOO JMT

Was it stated somewhere that Richard Allen did not stagger? I understand this is your opinion, just wondering what would make a person think he was not staggering?

Libby and Abby knew or felt something was wrong, thus the video. Very well could have been the way RA was walking, IMO. They are not here to tell us, they did do their best to capture an image of their killer. This confession is so real for me, simple and clear. Off to visit family, had a few beers, hop down to the trails to rape and murder two innocent girls. To my dying day I'll always remember Libby and her bloody tears. Abby so tiny.

Control even one person? A gun!

 

[m00c0w]

@davebangert

A few other bits from afternoon testimony on Day 11Steve Mullin, prosecutor’s investigator, testifies the only 2016 black Ford Focus SE in Carroll County in Feb 2017 belonged to Richard Allen. Prosecution ties it to security footage on CR 300 North day of the murders. 9/


Brad Weber, who lives off private lane southeast of where Abby and Libby were found, testifies he drove his Ford EconoVan home after getting off shift at 2:02 pm at SIA, 25 minutes away in Lafayette. When challenged by defense that he made stops that day, Weber denies it. 10/

For good measure, defense atty Andrew Baldwin hands Weber a subpoena. Sounds like we’ll hear from him again after the state rests its case. Expected Thursday: Prosecutor told judge to expect 2 hours of audio, without specifying what. Waiting on more confessions from Allen. 11/

Wow. That bit about the van is something specific enough that only the killer would reasonably know. The timeline puts the van there at exactly the right time to corroborate the confession, and explains so much about what happened. The clothing in the creek, for instance, it seems likely the clothing was not purposefully discarded there, but lost as the girls were being led across the creek. It also explains some of the stuff with the re-dressing. They were literally interrupted mid-assault, Abby quickly threw on some still dry pants, and they went across the creek.

Odinism definitely isn’t looking like a great theory to bet RA’s life on if the prosecution keeps this type of information dripping out.

JMO

 

[Kudzuu]

My heart did a leap at how close help was, yet wasn't.



jmo

Well that's the time around when Libby's phone stopped moving. He was just beginning the SA so there's that. MOO.

I thought the disturbance happened down by the river and then they crossed over to the place they were murdered. At some point I think the notes will all add up but it might be the closing arguments.

I'm still confused on that detail.

The timeline has been posted lots of times so I did not add a link.

 

[KSwizzle]

To me it doesn't matter if the volunteer was the one who found it, and I will have to go back and look because I believe there was testimony where it was stated she wasn't supposed to be doing a thorough analysis of each file that she was inputting into the database. You shouldn't have a random volunteer handling sensitive information period, <modsnip: politicizing> There are reasons there is procedure and protocol so that nobody can come back and go, that's odd, that's not what is supposed to be done, I want an appeal to this trial. MOO

 

[tlcya]

Was it stated somewhere that Richard Allen did not stagger? I understand this is your opinion, just wondering what would make a person think he was not staggering?

Libby and Abby knew or felt something was wrong, thus the video. Very well could have been the way RA was walking, IMO. They are not here to tell us, they did do their best to capture an image of their killer. This confession is so real for me, simple and clear. Off to visit family, had a few beers, hop down to the trails to rape and murder two innocent girls. To my dying day I'll always remember Libby and her bloody tears. Abby so tiny.

Control even one person? A gun!

in addition, as to controlling one or more people, he had no need to do so ON the bridge. the control was exerted after victims and BG had successfully crossed the bridge. MOO

 

[arielilane]

Richard Allen has the only 2016 ford focus se in Carroll county and the black rims are specific to that model. And Brad Webber has a white van and would’ve gotten home between 230 and 330 which happens to coincide with RAs statement that he was spooked by a van!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851726395145322945

I’ve driven that route and it’s a 20 to 25 minute drive!


4:45 PM · Oct 30, 2024



There’s no way anybody could know a white van spooked him that ain’t psychosis that is a confession, and Brad Webber drove a white van!


4:50 PM · Oct 30, 2024

 

[Inthedetails]

MOO he didn't wish to leave living witnesses to his attempt to SA minor children. Witnesses who are no longer living cannot identify their attacker.

This is CORE to the crime, imo.

He was depraved but also ashamed of himself. There was no way he wanted the public, the authorities, the neighbors, his wife to know the sexual deviant he is. He couldn't hide in plain sight if he left his victims live.

jmo

 

[BUF]

Excellent point.

Exactly. RA knowing that the girls weren’t raped is exactly something that the perpetrator/murderer would know.

 

[BexLuth0r]

The D aren’t liking this as it lines up with RA’s account, something nobody other than the murderer would know.

Your link -
“When challenged by defense that he made stops that day, Weber denies it. 10/“

It's just the little things that keep adding up. If he is innocent then he is really the most unlucky guy in the world.

 

[Han]

If Allen was spooked by a man or a van why would he take the time to position branches on the girls?

Could have already placed the branches. Van could have spooked him to leave. MOO

 

[justtrish]

My understanding is that a volunteer found the misfiled tip years later, not that a volunteer was responsible for the misfiling/mislabeling back in Feb 2017.

ETA: If it wasn't for the volunteer recognizing the mislabeled name and bringing it to LE's attention there is no telling where the case would be today.

One speculation I saw on this was that since DD noted "Who are the 3 girls?" on that tip as something to follow up on that maybe by the time someone saw that, they already ID'd the 3 girls so it was filed as "cleared" because it was believed that was the follow up that was needed and it was already established who they were.

The volunteer was reading the tips even though it said cleared. I think she was inputting them into the computer and she noticed the man put himself on the trail at the time in question even though it said cleared. So she notified someone.

 

[WildHuncher]

Richard Allen has the only 2016 ford focus se in Carroll county and the black rims are specific to that model. And Brad Webber has a white van and would’ve gotten home between 230 and 330 which happens to coincide with RAs statement that he was spooked by a van!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851726395145322945

I’ve driven that route and it’s a 20 to 25 minute drive!


4:45 PM · Oct 30, 2024



There’s no way anybody could know a white van spooked him that ain’t psychosis that is a confession, and Brad Webber drove a white van!


4:50 PM · Oct 30, 2024

He’s back to dead meat.

 

[ClearAhead]

Any idea when they started treating him with Haldol, an anti-psychotic?

No sorry. But I do recall reading the testimony somewhere about it today, the dates a certain drug was administered. If I come across it again I’ll certainly provide you with the link since you’re interested.

By the way, do you happen to know of Prozac withdrawal symptoms?

Delphi Murders trial: Day 11 live blog

Richard Allen, accused of murdering two teenage girls in Delphi, Indiana, is on trial and Day 11 of the trial began with testimony from several witnesses including Steve Mullin, John Galipeau, Ethan Drang, and Michael Clemons.

www.wishtv.com

“A report from April 25, 2023 said Allen denied experiencing “anything like this in the past,” and thought “this could be due to him not taking his medication, including Prozac.”

 

[Inthedetails]

He’s back to dead meat.

Slow and steady to win the race seems to be the strategy.

jmo

 

[dub]

This is not true, he was not in an "actual prison". He was held in the appropriate detention center. This is where he died.

"Anchorage Correctional Complex houses inmates from classifications of minimum to maximum/closed custody, as it acts as an intake/pre-trial detention center and long term detention facility for the area."
While being held in jail at the Anchorage Correctional Complex, Keyes managed to conceal a razor blade in his cell.

Anchorage Correctional Complex | Visitors Guide | Jailfo

Anchorage Correctional Complex guide to learn visiting procedures, download visitors applications, learn how to send money, mail an inmate and more.

www.jailfo.com

Thanks for that - the link I had looked at to verify my info didn’t specify that it had a pre-trial holding part. However I think it’s overstating it to say it’s outright “not true”.

The untold story behind Israel Keyes' jailhouse suicide

This article states that he bounced back and forth from the mental health unit on the jail side and the maximum security wing of the prison side—when he committed suicide he was in the latter.

So yes, mine was both an oversight and an oversimplification, and for the sake of accuracy I’m glad you brought it up.

Now back to Abby and Libby.

 

[shonyakay]

This is excellent. It is really confusing to me how some people seem to be leaning towards a conspiracy other than just a misfiled tip.
An incredibly dumb and fatal mistake to make but I feel that's all it was. 5 years is a long time to slowly get rid of evidence. I think once he realised law enforcement wasn't coming, he may have relaxed.
It's possible he knew he didn't get into his car all muddy and bloody so didn't need to get rid of it. He didn't know they had a bullet so didn't need to get rid of his gun. It's interesting that the one thing on the bridge that could have confirmed his location and time he was there is the one thing that's been gotten rid of...

Also, is the box cutter confession a big deal? It was never mentioned prior to the confessions and seems a random weapon for someone to pluck out of the air if they were confessing to a crime they didn't do?

It's all just a massive conspiracy against RA, who actually wasn't arrested until 2022, after LE held on to the tip that implicates him, for over five years.

Makes sense to me.
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[Appletreefarm35]

To me it doesn't matter if the volunteer was the one who found it, and I will have to go back and look because I believe there was testimony where it was stated she wasn't supposed to be doing a thorough analysis of each file that she was inputting into the database. You shouldn't have a random volunteer handling sensitive information period, there is procedure and protocol so that nobody can come back and go, that's odd, that's not what is supposed to be done, I want an appeal to this trial. MOO

Respectfully, based on testimony I have seen reported the volunteer was not thoroughly analyzing the file. She noticed a name discrepancy and reported it. It would have been negligent not to do so.

<modsnip: quoted post was snipped>

 

[tlcya]

Could have already placed the branches. Van could have spooked him to leave. MOO

his rush to try to conceal the bodies with branches found close at hand while in a frightened panic could also explain why the effort at concealment seemed to some to be half @**ed as well. IMO he wanted to conceal them but his panic wouldn't allow him to stay long enough to do a better job of it than he did.

 

[justtrish]

Richard Allen has the only 2016 ford focus se in Carroll county and the black rims are specific to that model. And Brad Webber has a white van and would’ve gotten home between 230 and 330 which happens to coincide with RAs statement that he was spooked by a van!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851726395145322945

I’ve driven that route and it’s a 20 to 25 minute drive!


4:45 PM · Oct 30, 2024



There’s no way anybody could know a white van spooked him that ain’t psychosis that is a confession, and Brad Webber drove a white van!


4:50 PM · Oct 30, 2024

Well thank God it isn't possible for him to be there at 2:14 because I can imagine the defense theory on this one..

 

[susane7]

It's all just a massive conspiracy against RA, who actually wasn't arrested until 2022, after LE held on to the tip that implicates him, for over five years.

Makes sense to me.
.

And arresting RA doesn't make LE look good at all. They lost the tip, CVS is close to LE office, he is a guy without criminal record. If they wanted to pin in somebody would be RL. He was dead, he couldn't defend himself anymore, some people think looked like him, he had a history of violence against women, he lied, etc. They just had to say "The guy who did it was RL. He is dead.". Case Closed.