Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

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I've seen it said that a vehicle arrived at the house at the end of the private drive ~3:30pm.
He said he said he saw a van and it scared him. I'm assuming it's that vehicle.
That gave him a half hour to cross the creek, murder them, cover them with branches
and make his way up the hill where SC claimed to have seen him ~4:00.

However, Libby's step counter stopped moving at 2:32. Where was her body at 2:32?

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I think her phone was wet from being in the creek from the point until the next morning when it was dry enough to power back on. I have personally experienced my own I6 submerged in water, but then drying out enough to turn back on.
 
Is there corroboration that BW was driving a white van? From what I have heard BW arrived at 3:30, this would not have been able to be what spooked ra across the creek since the last movements on Libby’s phone were 2:32

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Yes.
BW was off work at 2:02.
It took him approximately 25 minutes to drive home.
LG s phone dropped in elevation at 2;32.
Curiouser and curiouser.
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"Brad Weber, who lives off private lane southeast of where Abby and Libby were found, testifies he drove his Ford EconoVan home after getting off shift at 2:02 pm at SIA, 25 minutes away in Lafayette."

Timing makes perfect sense with the Data from Libby's phone.
 
To me it doesn't matter if the volunteer was the one who found it, and I will have to go back and look because I believe there was testimony where it was stated she wasn't supposed to be doing a thorough analysis of each file that she was inputting into the database. You shouldn't have a random volunteer handling sensitive information period, <modsnip> There are reasons there is procedure and protocol so that nobody can come back and go, that's odd, that's not what is supposed to be done, I want an appeal to this trial. MOO
BBM

Kathy Shank was not some random volunteer who walked in off the street. As a retired DCS employee, I'm sure LE was comfortable allowing her to handle sensitive files. No doubt she had passed background checks to work for DCS.

Kathy Shank, a former Department of Child Services worker who volunteered to help with the case in 2017. Shank was responsible for organizing tips during the investigation.

She began digitizing her database of more than 14,000 tips in 2020, which took her about two years, she testified. But on September 21st, 2022, while moving her office materials, she found a box in her desk she hadn’t gone through, finding an old lead sheet from February 16th, 2017, later admitted into evidence, specifying a “Rick Allen Whiteman” had come forward and said he was at the trail between 1:30 and 3:30 PM two days prior.

 
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"Brad Weber, who lives off private lane southeast of where Abby and Libby were found, testifies he drove his Ford EconoVan home after getting off shift at 2:02 pm at SIA, 25 minutes away in Lafayette."

Timing makes perfect sense with the Data from Libby's phone.
BW is an ordinary citizen and if the defense badgers him (rather than simply asking questions to cast doubt), the jury won't like that, imo.

jmo
 
And arresting RA doesn't make LE look good at all. They lost the tip, CVS is close to LE office, he is a guy without criminal record. If they wanted to pin in somebody would be RL. He was dead, he couldn't defend himself anymore, some people think looked like him, he had a history of violence against women, he lied, etc. They just had to say "The guy who did it was RL. He is dead.". Case Closed.

Exactly. RL or KK are, IMO, better suspects to pin it on. One guy with a history of violence against women and another who has been jailed for CP. And who lied and said he was there that day. Law Enforcement could have had a field day with that one and making the evidence fit him. Especially if he actually communicated with Libby via Snapchat. But they didn't. Which says there is not a grand conspiracy against RA. LE genuinely believe they have their guy.
 
And arresting RA doesn't make LE look good at all. They lost the tip, CVS is close to LE office, he is a guy without criminal record. If they wanted to pin in somebody would be RL. He was dead, he couldn't defend himself anymore, some people think looked like him, he had a history of violence against women, he lied, etc. They just had to say "The guy who did it was RL. He is dead.". Case Closed.
yes, that person would have made a much better candidate for frame job had LE been so inclined. No pesky trial, no pesky need to build and present a case for a jury, just a little rubber stamp action.

But some would have us believe that poor RA was in LE's crosshairs for reasons other than their sincere belief that he was their man.
 
BBM

Kathy Shank was not some random volunteer who walked in off the street. As a retired DCS employee, I'm sure LE was comfortable allowing her to handle sensitive files. No doubt she had passed background checks to work for DCS.

Kathy Shank, a former Department of Child Services worker who volunteered to help with the case in 2017. Shank was responsible for organizing tips during the investigation.

She began digitizing her database of more than 14,000 tips in 2020, which took her about two years, she testified. But on September 21st, 2022, while moving her office materials, she found a box in her desk she hadn’t gone through, finding an old lead sheet from February 16th, 2017, later admitted into evidence, specifying a “Rick Allen Whiteman” had come forward and said he was at the trail between 1:30 and 3:30 PM two days prior.

I understand but I will just have to respectfully agree to disagree with you, it should have been a paid employee doing this work not a volunteer regardless of past work history, important work shouldn't be done by non-active workers, and, someone deserves to be paid for that work
 
This is excellent. It is really confusing to me how some people seem to be leaning towards a conspiracy other than just a misfiled tip.
An incredibly dumb and fatal mistake to make but I feel that's all it was. 5 years is a long time to slowly get rid of evidence. I think once he realised law enforcement wasn't coming, he may have relaxed.
It's possible he knew he didn't get into his car all muddy and bloody so didn't need to get rid of it. He didn't know they had a bullet so didn't need to get rid of his gun. It's interesting that the one thing on the bridge that could have confirmed his location and time he was there is the one thing that's been gotten rid of...

Also, is the box cutter confession a big deal? It was never mentioned prior to the confessions and seems a random weapon for someone to pluck out of the air if they were confessing to a crime they didn't do?
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The box cutter was a big deal because if you go back to the ME testimony that possibility went through ME's mind but it wasn't information the DT got. IMO.

MOO I don't think the murder weapon matters. RA confessed he slashed their throats and the weapon was never identified. He confessed he killed them.

Between that and the bullet I'm leaning towards he's the man.
 
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The box cutter was a big deal because if you go back to the ME testimony that possibility went through ME's mind but it wasn't information the DT got. IMO.

MOO I don't think the murder weapon matters. RA confessed he slashed their throats and the weapon was never identified. He confessed he killed them.

Between that and the bullet I'm leaning towards he's the man.
The ME originally thought it was a serrated blade not a smooth one like a box cutter, and he just happened to change his opinion conveniently on time to testify at the trial
 
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BW is an ordinary citizen and if the defense badgers him (rather than simply asking questions to cast doubt), the jury won't like that, imo.

jmo

Just to be clear, I am talking about it makes perfect sense in regards to verifying RA's confession that a van driving by spooked him after he kidnapped the girls'.
 
Yep, I agree MOO him THINKING he may have lost it on or near the bridge supports the reports from those in the court room that a metallic sound was heard on the video played in court from the girls' cell phone. He racked the gun near the bridge and therefore thought perhaps that is where LE had located the cartridge they claimed they had.

That didn't come from discovery. that came from the interview in October of 2022 just prior to his arrest. He believed that he had lost it near the bridge when he racked it. MOO
Wonder if that area near the bridge end was ever searched for an unfired cartridge. He may have dropped one there, it was never found. Then racked the gun again down below to scare them, and that one was the one they found. There may still be one left to find!
 
By the way, do you happen to know of Prozac withdrawal symptoms?

“A report from April 25, 2023 said Allen denied experiencing “anything like this in the past,” and thought “this could be due to him not taking his medication, including Prozac.”

Prozac has a long half life, so withdrawal from it is not as bad as some other SSRIs. Stopping and starting it every few days wouldn't have the worst withdrawal because it's still in your system, but you don't feel great.

Obviously withdrawal is worse the higher the dosage you were on.

Withdrawal does include:
 
I understand but I will just have to respectfully agree to disagree with you, it should have been a paid employee doing this work not a volunteer regardless of past work history, important work shouldn't be done by non-active workers, and, someone deserves to be paid for that work
I fail to see how a volunteer finding a clerical error would lead to a successful appeal, versus a paid employee finding it. Could you elaborate?
 
Wonder if that area near the bridge end was ever searched for an unfired cartridge. He may have dropped one there, it was never found. Then racked the gun again down below to scare them, and that one was the one they found. There may still be one left to find!
Some people who heard the audio did say they thought he racked his gun during that initial encounter. Someone theorized he picked that round up and it eventually fell out of his pocket at the murder scene. But there's nothing excluding the possibility that he did in fact do that twice.
 
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