Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

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He wasn’t in solitary confinement. He was in a protected environment, under suicidal watch. It wasn’t a punishment. Please don’t fall for that “baloney“ that his lawyers perpetrated.JMO
By every definition of the words “solitary confinement” Richard Allen was housed in solitary confinement for 13 months, this isn’t “baloney” that his lawyers are perpetrating this is a fact
 
“The unit was described as infested with bugs and mouse droppings, and extremely noisy, with neighboring inmates calling Allen a "baby killer" and yelling at him to take his own life. “


“Safekeeping”.

Moo
 
To help put this in perspective the UN’s law is as follows

“UN Nelson Mandela Rules
These rules prohibit the indefinite or prolonged use of solitary confinement, and define 15 continuous days or longer in solitary as torture.”

Mind you that he was in solitary confinement for 13 months. This law was written to try to keep 3rd world countries from being able to torture prisoners with solitary confinement, again, Richard Allen has never been convicted of a crime.

JMO


As a pre-trial detainee he shouldn't have been confined to solitary confinement and definitely not with depression - most definitely not.

JMO MOO JMT
 
I haven't even mentioned psychosis anywhere.

What I'm getting to is that if he's a menace to himself you can't go ahead and say that he's faking his mental condition, those are mutually exclusive. It's a "either ... or" scenario.
That makes absolutely zero sense. He’s a threat to himself because he’s suicidal. He was suicidal well before he was even arrested.

One can be suicidal and fake a mental condition.

Those are not at all mutually exclusive.
 
By every definition of the words “solitary confinement” Richard Allen was housed in solitary confinement for 13 months, this isn’t “baloney” that his lawyers are perpetrating this is a fact
What’s your solution? Where do you put him that ensures he won’t kill himself, while also ensuring that other inmates don’t have the opportunity to kill him.

No one has provided an answer to this, and if someone can, I’d love to hear it.
 
His doctor testified at the 3 day hearings that he was suffering from psychosis. These prison guards also called him bashing his head into his cells walls until he was bleeding “just something that he does”

Wala also testified that she thought at times RA was malingering, just like the guards testified to yesterday.
 
What’s your solution? Where do you put him that ensures he won’t kill himself, while also ensuring that other inmates don’t have the opportunity to kill him.

No one has provided an answer to this, and if someone can, I’d love to hear it.
You handle it like you would every other single suicidal inmate in this country.

What you don’t do is leave them in solitary confinement for 13 straight months and then use his psychotic ramblings against him in an attempt to prosecute him.

This was torture and I am confident the DOJ will step in.
 
You handle it like you would every other single suicidal inmate in this country.

What you don’t do is leave them in solitary confinement for 13 straight months and then use his psychotic ramblings against him in an attempt to prosecute him.

This was torture and I am confident the DOJ will step in.
That doesn’t answer the question. Not every suicidal inmate also has a massive target on their back.

The threat was coming from both sides.

He was charged well before these ramblings, and they planned to try him without anything of the sort.

This was not some sort of punishment. It was a messy solution to a very unique problem. I can’t think of another case with both elements.
 
That makes absolutely zero sense. He’s a threat to himself because he’s suicidal. He was suicidal well before he was even arrested.

One can be suicidal and fake a mental condition.

Those are not at all mutually exclusive.

Do you not think someone being suicidal in a prison setting has a mental issue?

Or ...

Do you feel someone that is suicidal in a prison setting has a stable mind?

Suicidal thoughts at anytime I'm sure wouldn't be viewed as coming from a stable mind.

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That doesn’t answer the question. Not every suicidal inmate also has a massive target on their back.

The threat was coming from both sides.

He was charged well before these ramblings, and they planned to try him without anything of the sort.

This was not some sort of punishment. It was a messy solution to a very unique problem. I can’t think of another case with both elements.
Richard Allen is very far from the first person to get arrested with suicidal tendencies and a target on their back. It happens every day, what doesn’t happen ever is what’s currently unfolding in Indiana, and more and more people are finding out about what has happened here.
 
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Brought forward from the last thread - no this wasn’t made up or facetious. It was testified to by Dr Walla at the three day hearing.

“Allen's prison psychologist was called as a witness Wednesday afternoon and detailed the man's spiral into madness, which at some points included banging his head into the wall and eating his own feces.”

 
Richard Allen is very far from the first person to get arrested with suicidal tendencies and a target on their back. It happens every day, what doesn’t happen ever is what’s currently unfolding in Indiana, and more and more people are finding out about what has happened here.

Happens everyday? Not a case of this magnitude with tons of publicity.
 
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In Dr. Wala's testimony at the 3 day hearings

Happens everyday? Not a case of this magnitude with tons of publicity.
No. I’m racking my brain for a case with similar circumstances and I’ve got nothing.

I’m done talking about this though. I’m focused on the murder if two teen girls, not the dubious civil rights claims of a double child murderer.
 
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Brought forward from the last thread - no this wasn’t made up or facetious. It was testified to by Dr Walla at the three day hearing.

“Allen's prison psychologist was called as a witness Wednesday afternoon and detailed the man's spiral into madness, which at some points included banging his head into the wall and eating his own feces.”


"Prosecutors said Allen's shift toward bizarre behavior happened after a meeting with his lawyers. Dr. Monica Wala noted in past reports her concerns that Allen was faking his symptoms."

I'm quoting from the exact same article in your post.
 
What’s your solution? Where do you put him that ensures he won’t kill himself, while also ensuring that other inmates don’t have the opportunity to kill him.

No one has provided an answer to this, and if someone can, I’d love to hear it.
There’s many options.

Constant watch
Healthcare
Quieter wing
VP wing
Whatever set up the US has there will be a solution. He would have to take seperate regime. It’s not an unusual situation in prisons.
Anti ligature clothing and bedding and supervised access to meds and shaving.if cash strapped,overcrowded ,falling apart UK Victorian jails can make it work then I’m sure the US can find a solution too
 
“The unit was described as infested with bugs and mouse droppings, and extremely noisy, with neighboring inmates calling Allen a "baby killer" and yelling at him to take his own life. “


“Safekeeping”.

Moo

That is solely from the defense's claims (which the majority of us here know) who have a knack for stretching the truth as far as it can be stretched.
 
What’s your solution? Where do you put him that ensures he won’t kill himself, while also ensuring that other inmates don’t have the opportunity to kill him.

No one has provided an answer to this, and if someone can, I’d love to hear it.

it’s strange to keep claiming it’s solitary when he has round the clock company

MOO
 
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