Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

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All these excuses for the psychologist destroying her notes, but I still say it’s suspicious. I didn’t say she later made up fake notes, but the original handwritten notes are the best evidence. I’ve never heard of a mental health professional doing that, and even in her deposition she acknowledged that the best practice would have been to keep her notes.
 
You are correct, no volunteer, clerk, or dispatcher is responsible for "clearing witnesses" it is at a lead detective level with approval of their supervisor.
Unless there was intentional deception there is one person who bears responsibilty, the Sheriff.


just to clear up,what might be a misunderstanding, KS’s role was definitely not to clear tips. However her keen eye discovered RA’s misfiled tip while she was packing up the office to move to CC’s new premises and she reported it accordingly. Below is the most detailed recap of her testimony that I was able to find.

Furthermore we have speculated whoever the anonymous officer responsible for locating the 3 girls RA said he saw, after successfully completing that task he/she is who possibly mistakingly wrote ‘cleared’ on the tip, when it was certainly not. JMO

After years of a seemingly cold investigation, despite Indiana State Police assurances the case was still active, on September 21, 2022, Kathy Shank, a volunteer who was tasked with scanning bankers boxes full of files in a central investigative data base, pulled open the drawer of a desk in a soon-to-be abandoned office and discovered a file that contained an initial tip sheet from February of 2017, just a couple days after the murders, in which a man listed as Rick Allen Whiteman called in to self-report that he was on the bridge that day if his name should come up or if investigators wanted to ask him questions.

On the tip sheet, someone had written the word, “Cleared.”

Shank testified that she read the report and immediately identified a clerical error that misinterpreted Allen’s home address of Whiteman Drive as his last name.

The retired government employee took the file to Chief Deputy Tony Liggett of the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department, who was running for sheriff in the upcoming election less than two months away, and he immediately began an investigation into Allen, first confirming that he drove a black 2016 Ford Focus.
 
BBM-
Well, that is just insulting, IMO

I have been a volunteer for Emergency Crisis Centers,
I have volunteered for our televised remote for the MDA telethon held every Labor Day weekend.

My family, friends and community have all pitched in with the telethon. NO sleep most of the weekend, plus setting up and tearing down everything.

NONE of us were paid, but it was IMPORTANT work for us and for others.

Pretty sure she qualified as a "volunteer" due to her credentials as a DCS employee.

Thank you for the work you did as a volunteer, and also for reminding me that I worked the Jerry Lewis telethon for several years when I was in high school. Day and night shifts both, because my friend’s mother worked there. People were needed to answer the phones and get the pledge info, so that’s what we did.
That was in the 1970s—I don’t know how it works now.

We didn’t try to find a cure for Muscular Dystrophy.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, my belief is KS was doing the laborious work of going through thousand of tips and gloriously discovered one that she felt LE needed to see.

She did not personally investigate and did not insert herself where she didn’t belong—-she freed up time for the tiny police department by doing the drudgery of going through the mountains of paperwork, which then allowed the detectives to follow up on the important clue.

JMO
 
I have a creepy feeling they might try to implicate BW.

The D already brought his name up twice.
---They speculated that the girls got into another vehicle that afternoon, the BW's driveway, and left the scene.
---They said that BW's gun was also a potential match w/the cartridge at the CS.

Both those 'mentions' jumped out at me.

I figure that the subpoena is for the white van's gps or 'auto intelligence' regarding the stops on that day. moo
We'll see what aggravation they bring, but IMO they'll try hard to impeach BW on any detail in order to cast assertion on his credibility. But it doesn't matter. The jury don't have to evaluate BW's credibility. His cellphone and vehicle data will speak for him.

JMO
 
If he saw the white van pull into the driveway would you then believe he was there?


It would have to be shown where he was located to have seen it as that terrain isn't what it seems - did he see the colour, the driver, model, size, distance.

Also, this would have been an opportunity for either girl to scream, yell out or escape - surely they would have heard it too.

Is this something he guessed, was spoon fed to him or is it his own memory?

For me, it all depends on the context.

JMO MOO JMT
 
Probably.

They are going to have problems with that 2:02 end of work as a 1st shift employee at Subaru--that will be a job that requires punching out. That doesn't get him there early enough to be there by 2:13 to be bridge guy on Libby's video.

Unless they are going for the old "oh, he had someone else punch him out at work, he actually left at 1:00" conspiracy. Of course.
The timeline is shifted significantly in the minds of the defense; they will argue that BG isn’t actually responsible for the kidnapping, or he was just one of several actors. He just showed up later, after work, of course.

It will make next to no sense, but they will persist.

JMO
 
I think that the psychologist's unethical actions may taint all of the confessions. She was in his head, influencing him, pretending to be a friend - not much of a leap to believe that she was manipulating him for her own entertainment; or to confirm her suspicions.
Not a chance that happens, IMO. She's not RA's svengali power behind the throne of confessions. He was confessing right off the get go and making incriminating statements before his arrest. Blaming her for his confessions with the details we've heard today is stretching it. IMO
Did Dr. Wala read RA's discovery? I don't think so. Did RA fill her in on all the details of his discovery so she could then influence him on what to say on tape? I don't think so. That sounds rather outlandish to me. Is everyone he met to blame for framing RA? I don't think so. AJMO
 
About the confession about the van interrupting him - there’s a problem with the timeline; also for any given period of time the police could have likely found someone driving a van in the area. Was this van caught on camera? The guy didn’t say he saw RA or anyone kidnapping the girls, did he?
 
just to clear up,what might be a misunderstanding, KS’s role was definitely not to clear tips. However her keen eye discovered RA’s misfiled tip while she was packing up the office to move to CC’s new premises and she reported it accordingly. Below is the most detailed recap of her testimony that I was able to find.

Furthermore we have speculated whoever the anonymous officer responsible for locating the 3 girls RA said he saw, after successfully completing that task he/she is who possibly mistakingly wrote ‘cleared’ on the tip, when it was certainly not. JMO

After years of a seemingly cold investigation, despite Indiana State Police assurances the case was still active, on September 21, 2022, Kathy Shank, a volunteer who was tasked with scanning bankers boxes full of files in a central investigative data base, pulled open the drawer of a desk in a soon-to-be abandoned office and discovered a file that contained an initial tip sheet from February of 2017, just a couple days after the murders, in which a man listed as Rick Allen Whiteman called in to self-report that he was on the bridge that day if his name should come up or if investigators wanted to ask him questions.

On the tip sheet, someone had written the word, “Cleared.”

Shank testified that she read the report and immediately identified a clerical error that misinterpreted Allen’s home address of Whiteman Drive as his last name.

The retired government employee took the file to Chief Deputy Tony Liggett of the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department, who was running for sheriff in the upcoming election less than two months away, and he immediately began an investigation into Allen, first confirming that he drove a black 2016 Ford Focus.
MOO An assigned oversight detective would be the responsible party.
 
I think it's commendable that a person who is tasked with mental health therapy for people who are charged with crimes takes an interest in their field and does plenty of background reading and research into crimes and criminals. I think it's completely normal to type up handwritten notes into a Word Doc and standard office procedure. We will have to agree to heartily disagree.
It’s definitely not standard office procedure for mental health professionals.
 
Unless they are going for the old "oh, he had someone else punch him out at work, he actually left at 1:00" conspiracy. Of course.
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Not just "someone," but perhaps Odin himself punched BW out of work that day.

Odin or not, I'm sure the tall tales about the white van are already being worked out.

jmo
 
I think it's just to compel him to take the stand when it's the defense's turn to present.

jmo

Yes he has the timeline on his side as he wasn’t home by 2:13pm when Libby took the video. He arrived precisely when the P alleged RA was interrupted.

BWs gun was tested but I will bet if he was considered a POI, his alibi was thoroughly vetted as well.
 
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