Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[ClearAhead]

I answered your question with a question - to show, we can’t prove he saw them or didn’t see them any more than he can prove he did or didn’t see them. Doesn’t make him a liar. It is entirely possible he did not take any notice of them at all - or didn’t see them - maybe he was looking at his phone or whatever. The point is, we can’t prove he did or didn’t see them and can’t therefore prove if he lied or not. Moo.

<modsnip>

You began by claiming RA came forward to help police and look where it got him, or something like that. I disagreed, he stated that he didn’t even see the girls so he was NOT helpful at all, therefore helpfulness is not the reason he came forward. He did however mention the three girls, which (unfortunately for him) collaborated his timeline.

Only leads and tips regarding sightings, sounds or something out of the ordinary relating to the crime that occurred have any chance of proving HELPFUL to an investigation. <modsnip>

This is why I totally respect those witnesses who did come forward with information describing what they’d noticed that same day. They did the right thing. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

If it was recorded, that’s one of the recordings that was lost/taken over by police.

It wasn’t recorded, but the worst sin here was not following up in the weeks, months, and years since that interview.

Had he shown the slightest bit of interest, that statement would have been found and Richard Allen would have been arrested 7 years ago. They’d have more cell phone records, they’d have a better shot at finding the girls’ DNA, and they would have likely been able to recover more video evidence.

I’ll never understand some of the mistakes here.

 

[INfisherman]

Yes. Because it seems he was so crazy that the confessions are unreliable.

..bit lucid/sane enough to confess to what he allegedly did in a logical manner in the order in which the events likely occurred. I’d be more willing to take the bait if it weren’t so seemingly artificial on the surface.

It’s early in the defense’s turn - I’m still listening to them.

I’m curious, and feel free to not answer, but are you a defense attorney by chance? Honest, no BS question & it won’t lead into further comments.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

It's kind of interesting to me, this underlying theory that maybe Dr Wala made up that confession.

I would think that if she made all that stuff up: RA being SA'd by babysitter, RA molesting others, thinking he may have touched his daughter, being a life long alcoholic, had deviant sexual thoughts, saw the white van which interrupted the SA, etc....

If she made up ALL of that^^^^, is the Defense going to show that all to be untrue and impeach her?

They did go after her for unprofessional conduct, etc. But they didn't really do much to prove that she lied about that alleged confession.

I'm feeling like they cannot because it will open the doors for much of it to then be verified as accurate. IMO

Well her superior Dr. (can't recall her name) that testified said Dr. Wala talk to her about RA's behaviors and possible treatments. She even told her about her trip to the trails, well before RA was arrested. She told her she thought RA was faking his symptoms. and could have also discussed with her things RA said to her in detail about the murders.

I guess the defense will have to bring her back to the stand too?

 

[minor4th]

I don't know if it is my post you are speaking of where I compiled the info from RA's PCA in chronologialcal order but you can find it here.

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There are mistakes in the PCA.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Maybe. I imagine if he gets convicted he will cough up his accomplice too?

That would be the hope.

 

[sunshineray]

*taped over

Opps sorry, too much to read, eyes are tired

 

[ClearAhead]

I don't know if it is my post you are speaking of where I compiled the info from RA's PCA in chronologialcal order but you can find it here.

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Thanks, that’s it! A helpful timeline for those who are just catching up with this trial.

 

[sunshineray]

There are mistakes in the PCA.

What mistakes?

 

[Boxer]

At the three day hearings Cicero said his belief was that Libby was moved 7 to 8 feet from what he could decipher by the photographs. He did say there wasn't a scale there so he could only opine the distance.

Libby's left arm was in a stretched out position above her head. Someone could have dragged her a short distance using both of their hands to pull her left arm. Imo.

Yes. Sorry I was not clear, you are right she was dragged at the CS.
I was talking about the suggestion she was killed elsewhere and brought back in the night.

 

[twall]

I recall you have been to the trail a number of times so is it okay to ask you something.

Question: Do you know where the red bridge is or was and can you describe where the location is?

If you know of it, of course.

If you are referring to the Wilson aka Old Royster Ford bridge it is about 1 mile east of the cemetery on 300N.

 

[Boxer]

Question: But not standard behaviour for most of us under normal conditions, right?

Not sure what you mean?
Most falsely accused/imprisoned people set about trying to clear their name.

 

[minor4th]

..bit lucid/sane enough to confess to what he allegedly did in a logical manner in the order in which the events likely occurred. I’d be more willing to take the bait if it weren’t so seemingly artificial on the surface.

It’s early in the defense’s turn - I’m still listening to them.

I’m curious, and feel free to not answer, but are you a defense attorney by chance? Honest, no BS question & it won’t lead into further comments.

JMO

I am not a defense attorney, but my husband is.

We don’t really know the content of the whole conversation or whether that confession to Wala was stated in a coherent and logical manner. This is not one of the recorded “confessions.” All we have is Wala’s retelling, and I find her to be unreliable because of her stake in the case and the way she testified (waffling on whether RA was severely impaired or only faking it for some unspecified secondary gain).

 

[photographer4]

@MaxLewisTV

We got some new sketches today from inside the courtroom of the Delphi Murders Trial. This one shows the large screen pointed away from the public so only the jury can see videos of Richard Allen inside an Indiana prison.

(Courtesy: Li Buszka)
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This is of Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter who took the stand today to talk about the FBI's role in the investigation. He kicked them off the investigation in August 2021.

(Courtesy: Li Buszka)

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This is one of Richard Allen as he sits next to his defense attorney Andrew Baldwin. Allen often looks back into the gallery to see his family members.

(Courtesy: Li Buszka)

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Here's some more details of what happened today in court

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852814993856528709

DELPHI, Ind. – Video of Richard Allen during his time at Westville Correctional Facility left some jurors “aghast” and one defense attorney “staring in horror.”

https://cbs4indy.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-jurors-react-to-video-of-richard-allen-in-custody/

Updated: Nov 2, 2024 / 05:09 PM EDT

Good. It’s time to see how the State treated RA, an ACCUSED, not convicted (big big difference imo). It is not acceptable moo.

 

[AugustWest]

I'm still catching up. It was said in one of the now closed threads that the judge is an actor of the government. I take exception to that portrayal.

"The trial judge should be sensitive to the functions of the prosecutor, defense counsel, witnesses, and jury, and the interests of the defendant, victim and public; and the judge's conduct toward them should manifest professional respect, courtesy, and fairness."

The trial judge is in fact and practice an actor for all involved in a case they're presiding over.

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/criminal_justice/resources/standards/special-functions-trial-judge/

Judges are paid by the state, in the courts of that state, and are part of the judiciary branch of that state. How is that not a state actor?

State Actor Definition | Law Insider

State Actor. ’ means any public official acting in official capacity

I'm not sure what your quote of our Model Rules of Professional Conduct is for. That is simply the standard judges should hold themselves to.

 

[MiniMoo]

If you are referring to the Wilson aka Old Royster Ford bridge it is about 1 mile east of the cemetery on 300N.

Don't think that is it as too far - just checked it out.

This is a little red bridge that isn't or wasn't too far from the Freedom bridge, I believe.

Thanks for responding!

JMO MOO JMT

 

[ClearAhead]

<modsnip - quoted post was removed (no link/rumor>

Would the D really want to open the door to potential evidence they violated the gag order by sharing confidential information from discovery? Because that would be too much of a coincidence if what was only a rumour of a possible suspect in white van proved to truly involve a white van whom the D insinuated should’ve been a suspect. Who would believe it. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Question: But not standard behaviour for most of us under normal conditions, right?

No, not standard behaviour at all. Obviously he was in dire conditions.

But it is interesting the way he reacted. Acting out sexually like that is not a good look because it shows that when he is really stressed he acts out in aggressive sexual ways . The jury might be taking note of that, imo.

To me, the cuffs and black hood could mean that he was aggressive towards others, perhaps biting or spitting, which prompts the guards to use the hoods. IMO

 

[Boxer]

Judges are paid by the state, in the courts of that state, and are part of the judiciary branch of that state. How is that not a state actor?

State Actor Definition | Law Insider


I'm not sure what your quote of our Model Rules of Professional Conduct is for. That is simply the standard judges should hold themselves to.

The defense is paid for by the state also.

 

[MiniMoo]

Not sure what you mean?
Most falsely accused/imprisoned people set about trying to clear their name.

Question: Are there reports or stats about that?

As in most falsely accused/imprisoned people set about trying to clear their names through such behaviour.

Would like to see the statistics or reports as it most definitely is something that should be considered in regards to this case.

JMO MOO JMT