Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[steeltowngirl]

I have no idea whether the defense was notified of all these so-called confessions, but I do know they tried several times to have the safekeeping order vacated so that RA could be transferred due to his deteriorating mental health.

If RA had continued to be refused treatment and had not regained his competency, I’m sure the defense would have sought a competency evaluation. They did file a motion to have the confessions excluded because of their unreliability due to RA’s severe mental illness.

Thank you. Setting RA’s case aside (due to the added complication of his mental health), it would seem there must be a process in place for when any detainee wants to confess. This can’t be the first time it’s happened, and there must be a case where a defendant’s mental health was not in question, and they asked to sign a confession.

 

[photographer4]

In my opinion, there is no way Allen is acquitted. The jury will do their job and find him guilty. He will never be free again. JMO.

What makes it their job to find him guilty? Isn’t their job to weigh the evidence and then make a finding? Moo.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

The P never talked about this case being a slam dunk, if you have a link stating they did so please link it. No trial is a slam dunk when you are dealing with 12 people all coming from different backgrounds and from their own personal experiences.

What I believe the State has laid out plainly is that RA-BG-Killer. To think it would be anyone else would be to deny all plausible and reasonable explanation. Yes, hypothetically Big Foot could have been at the bottom of the hill and done this terrible deed, but is that reasonable? One man, self admittedly, dressed as BG was on that bridge that day, filmed by Libby and his name is Richard Allen.

EBM: Duplicate wording
JMO

All moo

 

[Myvice]

His file being marked clerical error occurred before any confessions occurred. Other confessor did so while under absolutely no pressure to do so. I guess you are right that it wasn't an apples to apples comparison.

As I said to suziQ I'm not familiar with this part of the investigation. Could you kindly point me to something that will enlighten me? I'm curious now. TIA

 

[shonyakay]

His lawyers probably told him.

Were they involved then? How could they know something that was not in the discovery?

 

[MassGuy]

I have a nuanced question and this is all pure speculation on my part:

Hypothetically, if there is an on-going investigation with many "tentacles" surrounding this case, would the state be "allowed' to try Richard Allen without mentioning possible other actors?

I guess my question is: is the fact that RA is currently on trial proof that the state believes he acted alone? Does it put to rest that other suspects are being investigated?

That nonsense came from Doug Carter, who clearly doesn’t know his you know what from his elbow.

At the time they were completely lost, and I think this was in reference to the Kegan Kline investigation and the very real possibility that related directly to the murders.

Everything changed once they found that statement from Allen, and their theory is clearly that a lone actor did this.

The crime scene confirms it for me, and Allen himself confirms it for me. He was behaving like countless others who came before him - a lone actor who committed sexually motivated murder.

I think he was worked up about something (maybe a fight with his parents), drank, and went to the trails on a mission. Whatever had held him back before wasn’t holding him back that day.

 

[AugustWest]

As I said to suziQ I'm not familiar with this part of the investigation. Could you kindly point me to something that will enlighten me? I'm curious now. TIA

I'm sorry, I must have missed your conversation with @susiQ. If you can tell me which part of the investigation you are unclear about, I would be happy to help. Are you unfamiliar with the timing of RA's confessions, or the possible confessions of other unnamed persons?

 

[steeltowngirl]

That nonsense came from Doug Carter, who clearly doesn’t know his you know what from his elbow.

At the time they were completely lost, and I think this was in reference to the Kegan Kline investigation and the very real possibility that related directly to the murders.

Everything changed once they found that statement from Allen, and their theory is clearly that a lone actor did this.

The crime scene confirms it for me, and Allen himself confirms it for me. He was behaving like countless others who came before him - a lone actor who committed sexually motivated murder.

I think he was worked up about something (maybe a fight with his parents), drank, and went to the trails on a mission. Whatever had held him back before wasn’t holding him back that day.

I’m hesitant to ask, but I am going to brave my trepidation, and ask.

Do you think there’s any chance RA was following Libby on Snapchat and knew she was heading to the trail?

 

[Boxer]

As I said to suziQ I'm not familiar with this part of the investigation. Could you kindly point me to something that will enlighten me? I'm curious now.

His file was marked "cleared" by "someone" and finally found in a physical file box by a volunteer organizing.

The street RA lived on was "Whiteman" and "somebody" apparently took Whiteman be his last name, but this "mis-filing" still doesn't explain not following up with Mr. Whiteman who was on the trail that day.

They have blamed the FBI, a dispatcher and a file clerk.
But none of these roles have the authority to clear a witness.

 

[MassGuy]

I’m hesitant to ask, but I am going to brave my trepidation, and ask.

Do you think there’s any chance RA was following Libby on Snapchat and knew she was heading to the trail?

I don’t at all. I think he just happened across them and they presented the perfect opportunity.

 

[shonyakay]

There's a reason why the State left the jury with Weber's testimony. There's no way that he can be impeached imo. I doubt the state would risk that if that were the case.

I believe the defense knows that Weber can't be involved and or impeached and that is why they still keep trying to present the totally debunked Odinism angle.

 

[Gigiky]

I’m hesitant to ask, but I am going to brave my trepidation, and ask.

Do you think there’s any chance RA was following Libby on Snapchat and knew she was heading to the trail?

And if not RA, then somebody else. JMO

 

[shonyakay]

I don’t at all. I think he just happened across them and they presented the perfect opportunity.

Same.

 

[steeltowngirl]

In another call to his mother, Janis Allen, on May 17, 2023, Allen seemed to be anxious that his family would no longer love him because he'd confessed to killing Abby and Libby. Here's what they said:

Richard Allen: "I'm just worried you guys aren't gonna love me because of the fact that I said that I did it."

Janice Allen: "Just saying it doesn't mean you did it."

RA: "Well, it does when I did."

JA: "Rick, don't talk like this. I think they're just messing with you."

RA: "No, mom. They're not."

JA: "... You don't have it in you to do something like that."

RA: "Mom, I wouldn't say I did it if I didn't."

RA: "So if I did it, then you guys don't love me anymore?"

JA: "I will always love you no matter that. There's nothing that would ever make me stop loving you."

Defense calls first 2 witnesses after state rests its case in Delphi murders trial

It's been two years since multiple law enforcement agencies announced Richard Allen's arrest in the Delphi killings. His trial continues Thursday.

www.indystar.com

Delphi trial jury hears what Richard Allan said to his mother from prison

In a May 2023 call with his mother, Richard Allen seemed anxious that his family would no longer love him after he confessed to killing Abby and Libby.

www.indystar.com

 

[Boxer]

I’m hesitant to ask, but I am going to brave my trepidation, and ask.

Do you think there’s any chance RA was following Libby on Snapchat and knew she was heading to the trail?

I think it a crime of opportunity.

Passed them, realized how isolated they would be and took the opportunity to initate a rape which went sideways and ended in a double murder.

 

[katydid23]

Wow. I disagree. From the transcripts posted, he sounded completely off his rocker, totally detached from reality. I believe he was very delusional and incoherent. He said he didn’t understand what was happening; he said several times he was losing his mind; he confessed to killing his entire family and best friend; he expressed that he “thinks” he killed them and questioned whether he did; and some of his statements seemed to be complete gibberish.

The call from May 17, 2023, was between Allen and his mother.

“Did Kathy tell you I did it?” Allen asked his mother.

“We’re not going to discuss this, okay?” his mother, Janis, replied. “We love you. You know that, don’t you?”

“Regardless?” Allen asked. “I’m just worried you guys aren’t going to love me because I said I did it.”

“Just saying it doesn’t mean you did it,” his mother said.

“It does when I did,” Allen replied.

“Ricky, they’re just messing with you,” she said.

“No, Mom, they’re not,” he said. “So if I said I did it, you wouldn’t love me anymore?”

“I will always love you no matter what. You can count on that,” his mother said.

He doesn't sound psychotic or confused to me in that ^^^ call. Reporters in court said he sounded calm and measured.


“I killed Abby and Libby,” Allen told his wife.

“No, you didn’t,” Kathy Allen responded.

“I think I did,” he said.

“They are messing with your mind,” his wife said.

“I think I did. I don’t know. I wish they would kill me and let me apologize to the families.”


During a May 10, 2023, call, Allen told his wife he thought he was losing his mind.

“I need to tell you something any way,” he told his wife. “I need you to know that I did this.”

“No, you didn’t, dear,” his wife responded. “There’s no way.” She also suggested her husband was not well.


He does not sound like someone in a psychotic episode.IMO. He is tracking the conversation, answering the questions appropriately, and not being incoherent.

Sure, some of his thoughts are weird---wish'd they'd kill me and let me apologise----very strangely worded thought.

But he is mentally 'unwell.' I don't deny he has mental health issues. But I think he had them for quite awhile. According to what he told Dr Wala, he would agree.

But I don't think those confessions are indicative of someone 'chaotic' or disorganised. I've experienced that with my schizophrenic brother, and he would never have been able to communicate like these above convos if he was having an episode. Truly chaotic, disorganised thinking is so bizarre and disordered, with total nonsensical mutterings, and animal sounds and laughing for no reason, etc. IME

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/i-did-it-do-you-still-love-me-jurors-hear-allens-phone-call-confessions-in-delphi-murders-trial/

 

[shonyakay]

I want to know more about that trip to visit his parents. Usually there's a precipitating stressor prior to a crime like this. I wonder if maybe he had a fight with his parents (maybe why he didn't have lunch with them), which caused him to make the decision to buy beer, and ultimately head to the trail.

Also what did he do at home prior? Did he watch explicit materials? There has been many sexually based crimes including murder where a perp watched such material before committing the acts.

 

[AugustWest]

DBM

Wrong thread

 

[susiQ]

I'm not very familiar with the individual. Were he or she at the park that day and seen with the girls? Did anyone see them? I'm really asking a question because I'm not familiar with this aspect of the investigation?

Third party “actors” which JG has denied the DT to bring in as a defense for RA. Not able to go into further detail as per TOS, at the moment. Should JG change her position upon an “offer of proof” for a “nexus” to these individuals by the DT, I suspect we will be allowed to discuss these individuals once again. JMHO

 

[KooshBall]

I think LE could have gotten a detailed confession out of RA if they had used a woman LE to conduct the interviews.