Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[m00c0w]

A person who had been on the bridge that day did come forward and offer to help police - how has this worked out for RA? Mooo.

I think the moral of that story is actually to not place yourself at the scene of the double homicide you committed if you don’t want to be caught. May just be me though.

 

[Diddian]

A person who had been on the bridge that day did come forward and offer to help police - how has this worked out for RA? Mooo.

One might also suggest that RA came forward to help HIMSELF because he knew or suspected that he was seen and/or photographed at MHB that afternoon and wanted to get ahead of the revelation of that witness testimony or photographic evidence.

In his 2002 interview with LE, RA contradicts multiple things he said in his 2017 interview - all to create greater separation or exclusion from incriminating details. Lying once more facts are discovered to create the illusion of innocence is a common strategy among criminals.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Of course RA could manage the terrain.
RL easily traversed into his 70s.

It’s not the Grand Canyon.

jmo

Totally agree, plus RA was a 10 year National Guardsman, trained in terrain situations and able to move dead weight. He was extremely familiar with those trials and that bridge. Even had poignant family picture(s) taken on that very Bridge.

MOO

 

[ClearAhead]

On the topic of vans, the most talked I recall was a black van KG claimed she remembered seeing in the parking lot at the time she dropped off the girls. Iirc she said it had decals on the windows. But it wouldn’t have created any interruption of RA’s <modsnip> activity. JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

One might also suggest that RA came forward to help HIMSELF because he knew or suspected that he was seen and/or photographed at MHB that afternoon and wanted to get ahead of the revelation of that witness testimony or photographic evidence.

In his 2002 interview with LE, RA contradicts multiple things he said in his 2017 interview - all to create greater separation or exclusion from incriminating details. Lying once more facts are discovered to create the illusion of innocence is a common strategy among criminals.

Yes, RA wanted to know what LE knew. He inserted himself into the situation to cover his bum because he saw the 3/4 girls and he knew they had seen him passing on the Freedom trail. Oh, and because his wife told him to. lol

JMO

 

[Myvice]

Can you specify what RA knows that only the killer does because it’s not the van

In my opinion, your post is also an opinion. It has been reported he said van and also white van. Only what the jury heard matters.

 

[Boxer]

Totally agree, plus RA was a 10 year National Guardsman, trained in terrain situations and able to move dead weight. He was extremely familiar with those trials and that bridge. Even had poignant family picture(s) taken on that very Bridge.

MOO

MOO No one is moving 200 lbs of dead weight that location.

 

[statt#1]

RA has said way too many things to backtrack on. The poor guy speaketh too much, methinks. If he woulda just not said he was on the bridge, and didn't own a sig firearm, and hadn't admitted killing the girls, and didn't mention that van, and didn't bend over backwards to convince his mom he killed these two young ladies from Delphi, if only his mom and wife could have gotten to him, told him to shut his trap right from the git go.

Ain't a person on planet earth that'll convince me this guy made confessions because he was crazy....no way, no how. This guy made confessions, and was crazy, because he killed two young ladies in a brutal, violent, up close and personal, slashing of their throats. The demons inside him ate away at his conscience to the point it near drove him mad.

There's my opinion on the matter, for now

 

[girlhasnoname]

RA=BG=Killer of that I have no doubt. The Defense is putting on their 3 ring circus of a Defense, I mean what else are they going to do? They've been sitting around for almost 2 years playing the big O defense and drumming up support from the Internet cranks and their 'infamous' Due Process Gang.

They continue to look unprepared and incompetent, and their client is a self admitted, vicious child murderer, so I'm okay with their lame attempts.

At the end of the day, Defendant Allen will be going to prison to spend out the rest of his sick, miserable life. Which is exactly where he should be. He had 5+ years of un-entitled freedom due to mistakes of LE. Justice is coming for the VICTIMS in this case, Abby & Libby.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

MOO No one is moving 200 lbs of dead weight that location.

RA only had to drag Libby by the arm 6-7 feet near the tree to her final resting spot. Yes, that is doable friend. MOO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I get it. She's human. But I would think his DA should at least have a poker face during stuff like this. The fact she can't put one on makes me wonder how the rest of the trial will go defense-wise.

Defense attorney Jennifer Auger appeared deeply concerned watching Video #10, Russell observed. At one point, Auger held her head in her hand, and covered her mouth during another. Eventually, she looked away.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 14 live blog

Follow the trial of Richard Allen, accused of the Delphi Murders, as it continues with videos of Allen from prison and testimony from witnesses.

www.wishtv.com

Performative for the jury, IMO. I'm sure she's seen these videos before.

 

[photographer4]

He hasn't been arrested and put on trial just because he was on the bridge though has he? There are other factors at play and a lot of small things do add up to him likely being the killer.

My point is, to me, it doesn't make logical sense that the girls were being followed by BG, were then told to go down the hill by someone at the end of the bridge and the person, who was that close to the girls with his hands in his pockets so was unlikely to be distracted by holding a phone etc., would not have come forward to tell the police they saw the girls go down the hill off the bridge.

It's been spoken about for 7 years that BG is the girls killer, why is it suddenly now a theory that BG is innocent? I just don't understand the logic behind it or the logic behind them framing/railroading RA.

There are far bigger fish they could have caught and made them fit.

MOO

My issue is the State hasn't proven it BARD (for me - others may feel differently, and that is ok). They had the mere presence of a man on the bridge and then it looks like they bent their case to fit him vs letting the evidence speak for the kids. They don't have any dna / no transfer evidence, flimsy as heck 'confessions' - tainted clearly by the state's own psychologist... I'm sorry. I can't convict him based on the flimsy case presented by the state. The jury may well convict him, I don't know. I just know I would not.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I’m screenshotting this from an earlier post. The last sentence is my focus.


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This reporter in court did indeed say the public was allowed to see crime scene photos of Abby and Libby as they were found.
Which is nude and torn up.

I vociferously objected to that in an earlier post, but am confused now because I also saw some posts that said the TV was turned at that point to only face the jury.

It’s received a lot of comments so I just want to add this now.

Once again we are beholden to just getting dribs and drabs from court.

I still lodge a vehement objection if this turns out to be valid.

I see some posts here proclaiming that it’s a public trial and so the public should be allowed to see everything.

I know I can only have my own opinion, while others have theirs.

I don’t even care if there is legal standing for the public to see everything in a trial.

NO ONE, IN MY OPINION, SHOULD SEE ABBY AND LIBBY NAKED AND DEAD UNLESS THEY ARE FAMILY, JUDGE, JURY OR THE LAWYERS INVOLVED!

Just play that string out…YouTubers and podcasters who are not subject to the strict rules of actual journalism can broadcast that for clicks…and then how many perverts out there in the general public are going to relish seeing them that way????

Even upstanding people in the public arena have NO BUSINESS seeing young teenaged girls in this condition.

Two of my grandchildren are girls. The thought is unbearable.

JMO

So RA didn’t want the courtroom to see his gross prison antics.

Yet, he was able to see the final photos of an exposed Libby and Abby, and mentally relive whatever sick fantasy he was having as he murdered them. Probably now etched in his memory for future use.

Nauseating

jmo

 

[katydid23]

The defense played a bunch of videos from the prison, showing RA at his worst. I'm sure he was probably rubbing feces on the wall, dancing around naked, playing with self, screaming incoherently, etc.

They want the jury to think that he was so crazy that any confessions he made were unreliable.

That could be a risky strategy though. Maybe the jury sees him acting psycho, and it makes them think he is psycho enough to kill 2 young girls?

Chicken vs Egg theory---Which came first?

RA is an innocent man who was driven crazy by prison, and began acting psychotic?

OR

RA was already a psycho, that drank all his life, had pervy violent thoughts, molested others over the years, finally snapped and committed 2 murders, then when incarcerated he had a meltdown, and eventually began blabbing about his many sins?

 

[steeltowngirl]

RA is an innocent man who was driven crazy by prison, and began acting psychotic?

OR

RA was already a psycho, that drank all his life, had pervy violent thoughts, molested others over the years, finally snapped and committed 2 murders, then when incarcerated he had a meltdown, and eventually began blabbing about his many sins?

Option 2 is spot on.

 

[ClearAhead]

A person who had been on the bridge that day did come forward and offer to help police - how has this worked out for RA? Mooo.

How was lying that he didn’t see the girls helping police in any way?

 

[KSwizzle]

For the people who believe bridge guy is the murderer, could I just ask what you think beyond a reasonable doubt makes bridge guy the murderer? We see bridge guy in the video, it could be and I think it is RA, what after that proves he was the murderer?

 

[Myvice]

My issue is the State hasn't proven it BARD (for me - others may feel differently, and that is ok). They had the mere presence of a man on the bridge and then it looks like they bent their case to fit him vs letting the evidence speak for the kids. They don't have any dna / no transfer evidence, flimsy as heck 'confessions' - tainted clearly by the state's own psychologist... I'm sorry. I can't convict him based on the flimsy case presented by the state. The jury may well convict him, I don't know. I just know I would not.

Basically the only man on the bridge during that time frame by RA's own admission. I guess video evidence isn't enough for some if it has been enlarged as if that somehow changes the original. And actually, BG was identified by one person in particular to a T. RA discribed himself perfectly. MOO

 

[Gemmie]

MOO No one is moving 200 lbs of dead weight that location.

Even the 95 or 100 lbs that Abby was (I've seen both listed for her) is difficult when it's dead weight. Not the easiest thing in the world to do. As for Libby... I honestly can't imagine even 2 men being able to move 200 lbs of dead weight. It would be difficult at best, but on that terrain? No way, no how, IMO.

 

[FrostedGlass]

RA only had to drag Libby by the arm 6-7 feet near the tree to her final resting spot. Yes, that is doable friend. MOO

Quote from link below:

"Libby died from her wounds in a large pool of blood while leaning against the tree, Cicero said. He said he believes she was then dragged about 20 feet to where her body was found."

Delphi murder trial: Libby's blood was likely mixed with her tears, expert says

A pattern on the body of Delphi murder victim Libby German showed her blood was likely mixed with tears, an officer testified.

abc7ny.com