Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[photographer4]

I have asked this before, and could not find any information to answer it until recently: in the video made on LG's phone, when the kids are heard talking, do they sound scared at all? Do they sound terrified?

According to this link, IN v. Richard Allen: Delphi Murders Trial, it doesn't sound like the kids sounded scared in the video made on LG's phone. I'll provide the quote from the link below:

• "Reporters in court heard the voice say, “There’s no path. The trail ends here, so we have to go down here?”
• Several reporters said the tone of the comment sounded like a question."

Is it possible the girls weren't scared? Is it possible they knew the person they went with that day? I've not heard or read any articles since the trial began that suggest the kids voices sounded frightened at all - has anyone?

 

[gremlin444]

The same psych is also the one who gave the "chronological and organized story" confession without any corroboration other than her own word. Her credibility was proven to be not great. This is what makes the case complicated. Everything is subjective. Only the jury has first hand information about the proceedings and will be the best judge. MOO

No, it was her superior Dr Dwenger:

Delphi murder suspect spent 13 months in solitary confinement, which damages mental health: Defense

Delphi, Indiana, double murder suspect Richard Allen spent 13 months in solitary confinement, despite its negative impact on mental health, an official testified.

abcnews.go.com

"A juror asked Friday how a psychiatrist can tell if someone is faking psychosis. Dwenger said the clinician listens to body language and the chain of the story. Dwenger said if the story is organized, the person is probably faking psychosis, if it is disorganized and out of chronological order, it is more likely the person is psychotic or delusional."

 

[cherrybier]

I really hope the jury asks to be taken to the bridge/area.

 

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[WildHuncher]

The point of my post was to show that RA wanted LE to know that if a bullet was found on the bridge, that it wasn't from his gun.

I think that is significant because he told Dr. Wala in his confession that he did something with the gun on the bridge and that is when he thought the bullet came out.

Oddly parallel with “IF one of the girls took that picture, then it’s not me.”

 

[BUF]

I want to know more about that trip to visit his parents. Usually there's a precipitating stressor prior to a crime like this. I wonder if maybe he had a fight with his parents (maybe why he didn't have lunch with them), which caused him to make the decision to buy beer, and ultimately head to the trail.

What he admitted was he was only there for about 15 minutes. It could have been way shorter and yes, something could have happened to trigger him.

No way to even track those times and all the other times without that mysterious cell he said his wife traded in.

 

[Warwick7]

I want to know more about that trip to visit his parents. Usually there's a precipitating stressor prior to a crime like this. I wonder if maybe he had a fight with his parents (maybe why he didn't have lunch with them), which caused him to make the decision to buy beer, and ultimately head to the trail.

Along with the fact that Valentines Day is just the next day. To me, that's not a coincidence.

 

[ClearAhead]

Toss it at the crime scene, 5 years later?

I got the impression nothing is impossible if a conspiracy is involved. Just lose the DNA, notice it didn’t got tested at all or results were placed in the wrong file….surely enough are people involved in this conspiracy so anything can be!

 

[Tortoise]

I have asked this before, and could not find any information to answer it until recently: in the video made on LG's phone, when the kids are heard talking, do they sound scared at all? Do they sound terrified?

According to this link, IN v. Richard Allen: Delphi Murders Trial, it doesn't sound like the kids sounded scared in the video made on LG's phone. I'll provide the quote from the link below:

• "Reporters in court heard the voice say, “There’s no path. The trail ends here, so we have to go down here?”
• Several reporters said the tone of the comment sounded like a question."

Is it possible the girls weren't scared? Is it possible they knew the person they went with that day? I've not heard or read any articles since the trial began that suggest the kids voices sounded frightened at all - has anyone?

At 36 minutes - Lawyer Lee describes "there's a high-pitched nervous sounding girlish voice and the one thing that you could hear clearly on it was some whimpering from a girl and then 'there's no path there for me to go to'".

 

[katydid23]

"I think I'm losing my mind" was said to KA. Do you have the full phone call details handy?

So? That is a common figure of speech, used most often by someone who is not in a psychotic state.

My brother was a schizophrenic---he went in and out of psychosis. When he was on his meds he was usually sane and measured. When triggered he would sometimes have psychotic episodes.

When he was in his right mind he was very intelligent and truthful. If he could sit and have a coherent conversation, answer questions logically, then he was in his right mind. He was reliable and logical in that state of mind.

When he was hearing voices and acting delusional it was very obvious. He could not have a linear, logical conversation with proper responses to questions.

I do have his convo with KA handy and it convinces me he was in his right mind and sane at that time. Saying 'I think I'm losing my mind' shows me he knows the difference between those two states of consciousness. He knows he goes in and out of sanity. It's a scary thing. My brother spoke the same way. He knew he was often on the edge of sanlty. It's tragic.

When my brother was in a psychotic state he was convinced the CIA was after him. He had his windows blacked out with black butter paper and he put tin foil around his radio and TV antenna---not sure why exactly. But he was convinced Johnny Carson was speaking to him in code about some secret CIA operation. He even went to the Tonight Show one afternoon---drove from SF Bay Area to Burbank---to sit in the audience and he actually ran towards the stage during commercial break and was arrested----for real.

But in between those crazy episodes, he was sane and wonderful and very funny and sweet. When he was not being psychotic, he knew he was not in the CIA. He even laughed, kind of embarrassed about some of his antics. He remembered little of it but knew he was acting crazy during those 'fits' as he called them.

Sadly, when he was off his meds he could be volatile and dangerous. He was mad at my stepdad one time, and when my parents got home, they found Papa's stuffed living room chair in the backyard, full of holes made by an ice pick, which was broken on the lawn.

 

[00stevenm]

210 threads, thousands of posts, still unanswered questions all say to me… HUNG JURY.

 

[Warwick7]

210 threads, thousands of posts, still unanswered questions all say to me… HUNG JURY.

No.
It will be guilty.
moo

 

[ClearAhead]

What he admitted was he was only there for about 15 minutes. It could have been way shorter and yes, something could have happened to trigger him.

No way to even track those times and all the other times without that mysterious cell he said his wife traded in.

Glad you mentioned that. That’s what I remembered so I was imagining him guzzling three beers in 15 minutes and nobody admitting that he might have a drinking problem. Otherwise maybe he was drinking and driving?

But nobody has explained why he went there in the first place only to leave so soon. I wondered if there was some sort of confrontation and he took off fuming mad. JMO

 

[photographer4]

At 36 minutes - Lawyer Lee describes "there's a high-pitched nervous sounding girlish voice and the one thing that you could hear clearly on it was some whimpering from a girl and then 'there's no path there for me to go to'".

Ok - thanks for finding that! It must have been really awful for those kids!

 

[Salah11]

210 threads, thousands of posts, still unanswered questions all say to me… HUNG JURY.

We are not the jury we have no baring on the outcome thankfully.

 

[Dutch77]

210 threads, thousands of posts, still unanswered questions all say to me… HUNG JURY.

I would not be shocked with a hung jury the way the trial has played out. There is both compelling evidence and a lot of reasonable doubt.

 

[cherrybier]

Is Vinnie Politan allowed in here? He has a poll going. Just checking in case not allowed.

 

[Tortoise]

I want to know more about that trip to visit his parents. Usually there's a precipitating stressor prior to a crime like this. I wonder if maybe he had a fight with his parents (maybe why he didn't have lunch with them), which caused him to make the decision to buy beer, and ultimately head to the trail.

Yes, I too am very curious as to why he starts his account with events that have seemingly nothing to do with the crime. In his mind it's linked, for him to start there. IMO

 

[NoeticSoul]

What he admitted was he was only there for about 15 minutes. It could have been way shorter and yes, something could have happened to trigger him.

No way to even track those times and all the other times without that mysterious cell he said his wife traded in.

Of all the pile of cellphones confiscated that he preserved, THE one that mattered had to go missing (recycled) .. Yeah, OK. moo

 

[Dhighsmith]

The point of my post was to show that RA wanted LE to know that if a bullet was found on the bridge, that it wasn't from his gun.

I think that is significant because he told Dr. Wala in his confession that he did something with the gun on the bridge and that is when he thought the bullet came out.

I believe RA’s confession to Dr Wala specifically his comments regarding the bullet proves the D theory of RA creating a storyline using discovery docs false. Had RA Read discovery he would have known bullet was located across the creek near the remains of the girls and not the bridge as RA described.