Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[FrostedGlass]

This first map has been posted several time thanks to @m00c0w

It shows that Richard Allen and the girls, according to the timeline, were on the South side of the creek when the white van drove nearby. This explains the movement of the girls between abduction and murders.

It's true, at the time that the phone stopped moving, Richard Allen and the girls had moved farther away from the road. The may not have been visible from the road after they relocated to the ravine.

"A chart in Cecil’s report outlined the recorded movement for Libby’s phone on February 13, 2017:​

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1:31 pm – 2:08 pm – 1,682 steps (707.34 meters)​

2:08 pm – 2:18 pm – 414.38 meters​

2:25 pm – 2:32 pm – 66 steps (50.64 meters)​

2:31 pm – two-floor elevation change​

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Cecil’s testimony explained the iPhone uses 10 feet as it’s estimation for distance for a “floor,” meaning the two-floor elevation change would be about 20 feet. The Health App, he explained, doesn’t record a duration for the elevation change. He said that it happened during the steps taken from 2:25 pm to 2:32 pm.​

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“February 13, 2017 at 2:32:39 pm was the last date and time the iPhone logged movement until it was charged and forensically examined on February 15, 2017,” the report read."​

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he-was-covered-in-mud-and-blood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/

The second map shows location of girls, van, and timeline.

topo map reference: Delphi topographic map 1:24,000 scale, Indiana

Did anyone say where the girls were at 1:31 pm?

 

[Notthisshipsister]

Can I ask, is there a possibility Libby had two phones? I should think one of the first things BG said to the girls was hand over your phones. Did Libby hand over another phone?

Or perhaps he just assumed that "everybody" these days has a phone?

 

[zh0r4]

Delphi killings are 'textbook' examples of ritualistic murder, defense expert testifies

Prosecutor pushes back on new testimony during the third day of hearings on pretrial motions in Richard Allen's murder case

www.indystar.com

Elvis Fields' sister, Murphy testified, provided "very specific" information that only someone who was at the crime scene would've known. Murphy also recalled a recorded phone call between Fields and his sister, during which she blurted out, "Elvis, why did you kill those girls?"

Fields denied killing the girls when interviewed by detectives. But Murphy recounted an interaction that caught him off guard: After Fields consented to a swab test, he asked Murphy if he would get in trouble if his spit was found on the girls.

* I am gonna run, duck, & hide now.

To add, both sisters he confessed to passed a polygraph. The ISP officer (23 year ISP veteran Stephanie Thompson) who conducted these polygraphs tragically died in a fire along with her daughter in 2022.

Source:

ISP: 2 killed in house fire identified as state trooper and teen daughter

Sgt. Stephanie Thompson was a 23-year veteran of the State Police and the wife of White County Circuit Judge Jason Thompson.

www.whas11.com

Funeral service set for mother, daughter killed in Monticello house fire

ISP Sgt. Stephanie Thompson and her daughter, Mya, died in a fire at their home Feb. 17.

www.wtsp.com

ISP sergeant Stephanie Thompson, daughter killed in Monticello house fire laid to rest

Indiana State Police Sgt. Stephanie Thompson, 17-year-old daughter died in an early-morning house fire in Monticello Feb. 17.

www.jconline.com

 

[katydid23]

210 threads, thousands of posts, still unanswered questions all say to me… HUNG JURY.

Not necessarily. We often have a lot of threads right before a high profile trial. And there are often lots of unanswered questions. People thought Mark Redwine might be innocent. There was very little actual forensic evidence left behind.

There were a lot of people thinking Chase Merrit was innocent of the McStay family murders. There were hundreds of long threads there with unanswered questions too. Same with Mollie Tibbets trial. Some people believed the defense and felt the defendant was being targeted because he was here illegally. They believed his weird story about the 2 phantom killers forcing him to accompany them.

I don't think it will be hung. IMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

A person's ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND CHARGES AND COMMUNICATE WITH ATTORNEY determine competency so in the beginning I don't think competency was an issue, however I think it might have become an issue...and he was treated by the psychologist with meds. He never went to court incompetent therefore a competency eval was probably seen as unnecessary. However other evals might have been helpful...Idk

IMO

It seems awfully coincidental that RA's alleged psychosis happened between April through mid June. Discovery time.
If I had a client rolling around and painting his face in feces, I'd think that would be a good indicator that something more needed to be done.

Sounds like a complete failure on RA's Defense Team even though they repeatedly claimed they so deeply and emotionally cared about RA. They would have been the only ones able to order an independent psych evaluation. I think they didn't order one because they didn't want the State to potentially have access to it. RA was saying things they didn't want him to be saying to his wife, mom, the warden and others on recorded phone lines and in letters.

The State eventually got what was available from Westville/Washburn because the Defense kept referring and asserting RA's actions were due to his MH in Motions. They opened the door, and the Judge allowed the State in. JG even warned the D a few times beforehand that if they continued to rely and state facts based upon them, she would be forced to allow access to the State.

The Defense has not done RA ANY favors, I think they actually hurt him by wasting time on a non sensical defense theory and didn't protect him if they thought he was experiencing sincere mental psychosis. I find their behavior appalling, but no more than I find the behavior of an accused, demented double child murderer.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

JMO

 

[katydid23]

Of all the pile of cellphones confiscated that he preserved, THE one that mattered had to go missing (recycled) .. Yeah, OK. moo

And, what is so odd about that, IMO, is that both RA and KA knew that he had confessed to being there when the girls went missing. I'd want to keep that phone in order to show that my account of my afternoon could be corroborated.

Weird that it was the only one she 'recycled. ' If she was into recycling, why keep the other 13 devices?

 

[Han]

Waiting to see what the rest of the trial will reveal.

 

[Arkay]

I have heard that Libby was his focus. With that being said I feel he allowed Abby to redress and in Libby's clothes. Abby's clothes would have been too small for Libby and Abby wearing her clothes forced Libby to have nothing to put on. Those poor girls.
moo

We have no direct evidence for it, but IMO as well Libby appears to have been the focus. Whether it’s due to some resemblance to his daughter or something else, Libby does seem to have gotten the worst of it.

I’ve mentioned many times that whatever fantasy or revenge plot was in his mind, the fact is if he wanted to switch around their clothing, I agree that Abby’s clothes were too small for Libby. It would have had to be Libby’s clothes on Abby, for whatever his desire was telling him to do.

For all we know, he could have dressed Abby in Libby’s clothes, rather than leave her nude, because he wanted to gaze upon TWO Libbys. One nude and one redressed as Libby.

Ugh. I hate typing that.

Just my speculation.

Justice for you, Abby. Justice for you, Libby.
Peace for your families.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

No.
It will be guilty.
moo

agree
People who feel secure in their opinion don't necessarily come online and squabble with others about it or try to help persuade others to consider their stance.
They silently sit in their conclusion, with no doubt.
JMO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

You don't think his lawyers have been remiss in any way in the handling of RA's case? A man who wants to and has plead guilty to the brutal murders of two girls...his wishes should have been ignored, his lawyers did nothing wrong with the handling of that? He should go free and everything the DT has done in the course of this case has just been zealous, they've done nothing wrong? LE has lied, witnesses have lied, even RA has lied? Mummm, I don't believe it. A guilty man wanted to plea guilty but was not allowed to do so, as simple as that. That is JMO. Respectfully, we're worlds apart in thinking

Do you think the his lawyer is forcing him to plead not guilty?

 

[Boxer]

It seems awfully coincidental that RA's alleged psychosis happened between April through mid June. Discovery time.
If I had a client rolling around and painting his face in feces, I'd think that would be a good indicator that something more needed to be done.

Sounds like a complete failure on RA's Defense Team even though they repeatedly claimed they so deeply and emotionally cared about RA. They would have been the only ones able to order an independent psych evaluation. I think they didn't order one because they didn't want the State to potentially have access to it. RA was saying things they didn't want him to be saying to his wife, mom, the warden and others on recorded phone lines and in letters.

The State eventually got what was available from Westville/Washburn because the Defense kept referring and asserting RA's actions were due to his MH in Motions. They opened the door, and the Judge allowed the State in. JG even warned the D a few times beforehand that if they continued to rely and state facts based upon them, she would be forced to allow access to the State.

The Defense has not done RA ANY favors, I think they actually hurt him by wasting time on a non sensical defense theory and didn't protect him if they thought he was experiencing sincere mental psychosis. I find their behavior appalling, but no more than I find the behavior of an accused, demented double child murderer.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

JMO

Agree. MOO RA deserved better. MOO he needed to confess and get right with things and apparently was prevented from doing so.

 

[photographer4]

Moo but shouldn't the defense have asked that if it was in any way relevent. There was an approximate time of death established just as there are in all cases I've ever followed.

I'm not sure if they still plan to put someone else up to talk about these issues or not. My understanding - i'm not a lawyer so this may not be accurate - is they can't ask the witness certain things unless the Prosecution opens the door to it somehow. The prosecution didn't ask about stomach contents or tox screens that I know of so I have wondered if we may learn more or not in the coming days. Does anyone know? Not moo - questions. Ty

 

[girlhasnoname]

And this is why we have juries! The outcome of this is going to be interesting!

I hope Justice and Truth are found more than interesting. The killer of Abby & Libby needs to be punished to full extent of the law. The families need to be able to try and move forward as does the community of Delphi. Today has been the day now for 21 days tomorrow.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think 24/7 bright white institutional lights that never shut off for 13 months would make me crazy...it is little things that you can't begin to comprehend that add up and actually cause physical and mental problems...I am usually the first person to think someone is faking MI...not this time

His were actually dimmable according to the testimony of the Warden during the 3 day hearings. IMO

 

[katydid23]

Along with the fact that Valentines Day is just the next day. To me, that's not a coincidence.

And I think it was also determined that his daughter announced her engagement on the previous day. So I wondered if he went to speak to his family about that momentous event?

 

[girlhasnoname]

You have the Presumption of Innocent until Proven Guilty.

In Court but thankfully not on the boards of Web Sleuths.

 

[detectivewannab]

Do you think the his lawyer is forcing him to plead not guilty?

 

[katydid23]

That would be truly unfortunate, because the man who commanded them to go with him down the hill murdered them.

I presume if BG were someone the girls knew, he’d say “hi Abby, hi Libby,” rather than “Guys, down the hill.” I presume if he knew the girls, we’d hear them say “hi Richard” instead of “he has a gun.”

I presume the girls were trying to be surreptitious while Libby started to record and Abby was worried about the gun.

IMO if you don’t think they were scared, that is wishful thinking. Or magical thinking. Anyone would be scared if they were forced to go somewhere by somebody, and these were two barely teenaged girls.

JMO

Also, didn't Abby say 'he's behind me isn't he?' And towards the end she said 'Don't leave me up here."

That doesn't sound like they knew the weird guy following them, imo.

 

[detectivewannab]

Yes

 

[girlhasnoname]

The psych scares me...she seems like a "fan" of her client and I could go down some inappropriate and unethical roads...I'm just hoping that my brain is speculating...psychology is subjective, it was her job to make it less subjective and more quantifiable if that is possible. She did not do that IMO and I feel she left people with more questions

Well she did the right best thing by telling RA not to be discussing his case with anyone but her lawyers.