Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[photographer4]

@steeltowngirl, I'm not very familiar with this case and though am regularly reading some of the threads since trial commenced, am not following trial in media. So with a precursor that I definately could be wrong or misremembering, I recall reading about early testimony here re RA requesting a meeting with the Warden in order to confess. There may have been some sort of written notes tendered in trial, but someone familiar with reports could check that.
Moo.

I think my point is; if RA was seeking to meet with warden to confess, could this have been perceived by RA as first step in to pleading guilty? All I mean is that RA seeking out warden may have been cos he considered warden an authority figure, perhaps assuming that the matter would then be officially dealt with going forward. Strictly my Speculation here.

In terms of Protocol and process, could seeking a meeting with the warden actually be a recognised first step for someone in RA's position? Idk. Inal. All moo.

If RA “confessed” to the warden, did the warden take steps to set up that meeting that RA requested? If not, why not? Did he advise RA’s lawyers of this? If not, why not? Perhaps it a matter of the warden can’t talk to the lawyers without his own legal counsel present - in which case, couldn’t he have had the lawyers for the State contact the D? Not sure if this happened or not, or what the rules would be about a prisoner (accused, but not convicted) communicating a desire to / or an actual “confession” to the warden might be. Not moo - asking questions. Ty

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Can you provide a link? I recall testimony that his lights were on 24/7 and one witness said he might have had the ability to “dim” his lights, but not turn them off.

Not the OP but here is the transcript page 46 line 2 addresses his ability to dim the lights in his cell

RA can control the light feature in his cell.

Adobe Acrobat

 

[fred&edna]

'Just bringing this post forward regarding the timeline (especially because these threads go so quickly)! Also, I'm not sure why anyone would be in so much puzzlement and/or attempt to focus on Libby's sister (even if she spells her name KEL-C). 'Hoping we all stay nice here. jmo

They were getting a ride to the trails. The time is mentioned in relation to her phone movement as a starting point.

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he-was-covered-in-mud-and-blood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/

 

[katydid23]

Was there any evidence on the phone that 911 was dialed?

Do 13 yr olds usually call 911 if out walking in the woods and a creepy guy scares them? I don't think that is their first impulse.

I doubt very much they thought he was going to slit their throats.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

If RA “confessed” to the warden, did the warden take steps to set up that meeting that RA requested? If not, why not? Did he advise RA’s lawyers of this? If not, why not? Perhaps it a matter of the warden can’t talk to the lawyers without his own legal counsel present - in which case, couldn’t he have had the lawyers for the State contact the D? Not sure if this happened or not, or what the rules would be about a prisoner (accused, but not convicted) communicating a desire to / or an actual “confession” to the warden might be. Not moo - asking questions. Ty

This was also covered in direct testimony during the 3 day hearings. Warden provided the interview requests from RA to Internal Affairs per procedure.


https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:VA6C2:7ac4a893-2a5e-45b9-b972-e23c250356bd

 

[Arkay]

Okay, I’m confused. When you commit a crime and are arrested and you either hire a lawyer or a public defender is assigned to you, won’t the lawyer ask you if you committed the crime or not?

My boyfriend is a lawyer and he’s always said that if a lawyer KNOWS that a crime is committed, he or she must tell the court, or refuse the case. Therefore they avoid asking directly “Did you do it?”

I wondered if that was perhaps just applicable in NY, so I looked for Indiana’s code of conduct.

Redirecting...

Here is an excerpt from the link above. Apparently if the defense attorney knows the crime was in fact committed, and the client is telling the attorney falsehoods, the attorney must tell the “tribunal” and remediation measures must be taken.

 

[MassGuy]

Do 13 yr olds usually call 911 if out walking in the woods and a creepy guy scares them? I don't think that is their first impulse.

I doubt very much they thought he was going to slit their throats.

I think by the time they knew he was a serious threat, it was already too late. It did appear that Libby may have tried to surreptitiously unlock it with her fingerprint during the initial encounter, but it failed.

2:13 p.m.: A 43 second Snapchat video was taken by Libby of Abby on the Monon High Bridge and also showed "Bridge Guy" in the background.

2:14 p.m.: Libby's phone tried to unlock with a finger print.

Delphi Murder Trial Day 5: A witness and the pathologist take the stand

DELPHI, Ind. (WLFI) — Emotions were high as the Delphi double homicide trial moved into day five.

www.wlfi.com

 

[Vern]

Do 13 yr olds usually call 911 if out walking in the woods and a creepy guy scares them? I don't think that is their first impulse.

I doubt very much they thought he was going to slit their throats.

I just want to jump off your post because I keep reading comments ... I have just got to stress once again, that it does not matter what Abby & Libby did that day.

It doesn't matter that they didn't scream. Nor whether or not they called 911. Not even "why didn't they try to run away".

They are the victims. They are not to blame for what their killer did to them. He, and he alone, is 10 000% responsible for their fate.

Justice for these absolutely innocent girls.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I wonder why would anyone would confess 60+ times? Seems rather excessive to me. I’d think once would be all that’s necessary. There must be something seriously wrong with someone who would do that. IMO

Extreme remorse.

 

[Warwick7]

Just jumping off your post...

If I understand correctly...
Wasn't the Discovery material delivered to RA by some type of messenger...
Not by the defense team?

If so... I feel this was not helpful to RA...

Seems the D team could have hand delivered the material...
AND... ""walked RA through" the information...

Possibly helping RA to process the information while being helped to understand...

Maybe my suggestion isn't how it is typically done...
But... I would think it could be a way for inmates to minimize the shock/triggers?

JMO...

BBM
Actually what an excellent post.

Think about the "disposition" of this DT.

They are the ones who left their crime scene photos unsecured, laying around, and allowed access by a person without clearance...

M00 is, they don't seem the type to stick around and walk RA through the information, let alone help him to process any information.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Do 13 yr olds usually call 911 if out walking in the woods and a creepy guy scares them? I don't think that is their first impulse.

I doubt very much they thought he was going to slit their throats.

I was only going by what many other posters here have said about how frightened the girls were when they saw BG walking in their direction.
LE praised Libby for having the wherewithal to record a video of BG.
Abby is recording saying something about “is he behind me?” and “don’t leave me up here”, which I interpreted to mean that she was in fear of the BG. I think most 13 year olds today are pretty tech savvy and well aware of how 911 works in an emergency. So I just assumed that perhaps she may have dialed it. IMO

 

[Hazelnutty]

Has RA shown any emotion or change in demeanor during the trial? I'm mostly curious if he could see the crime scene footage \ pics & autopsy photos and descriptions. If so, lowering of eyes? Flinching? I've followed the trial here, but had to skip pages here & there to keep up & maybe I've missed it. I also checked thru outside popular search engine for results. Does he take notes, doodle? Flat affect? Seem nervous? Anyone know?
tia

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Extreme remorse.

Naaa, 60+ times is overkill. IMO

 

[Spartygirl]

Was there any evidence on the phone that 911 was dialed?

I believe Libby tried to unlock phone without letting BG=RA=Killer know that she was trying to unlock it.

BBM a 2:14:41--Libby tried to unlock phone, was unsuccessful.

Poor girl was probably trying to unlock phone, press 911.

So whatever you are trying to insinuate that 911 was NOT called is just wrong.
These are 2 teenage girls.

In court testimony
2:07 – the last time the phone was unlocked (later testimony also said a picture was posted to Snapchat at this time, but that photo was not located on Libby’s phone)
2:13:51 – the 43-second video of Abby and a man behind her on the bridge starts
2:14:34 – the video ends
2:14:41 – Libby tried to fingerprint unlock the phone, but it was unsuccessful
2:32:39 – last phone movement
10:32:26 – phone likely dead (Cecil testified that this was inaccurate in his 2019 report and he corrected it in his 2024 report.)

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he-was-covered-in-mud-and-blood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/

 

[minor4th]

Were they involved then? How could they know something that was not in the discovery?

Yes they were involved then.

 

[shonyakay]

Extreme remorse.

The burden of keeping it in all of those years? Dr. Wala said he seemed relieved after he confessed to her.

 

[jepop]

If RA “confessed” to the warden, did the warden take steps to set up that meeting that RA requested? If not, why not? Did he advise RA’s lawyers of this? If not, why not? Perhaps it a matter of the warden can’t talk to the lawyers without his own legal counsel present - in which case, couldn’t he have had the lawyers for the State contact the D? Not sure if this happened or not, or what the rules would be about a prisoner (accused, but not convicted) communicating a desire to / or an actual “confession” to the warden might be. Not moo - asking questions. Ty

My post was pure speculation as noted by me. I can't answer your questions and am not inclined to speculate further. Maybe some of your general questions might benefit from research, jmo. My post was seeking to assist another poster with their specific question.

 

[minor4th]

There's a reason why the State left the jury with Weber's testimony. There's no way that he can be impeached imo. I doubt the state would risk that if that were the case.

I believe the defense knows that Weber can't be involved and or impeached and that is why they still keep trying to present the totally debunked Odinism angle.

We shall see. There’s really no point in guessing at this point.

 

[shonyakay]

Yes they were involved then.

With the crime? That is what I was asking. If it wasn't in the discovery like Harshman testified to, then how could the DT have known that detail to tell this to RA like you claimed?

 

[Spartygirl]

Do 13 yr olds usually call 911 if out walking in the woods and a creepy guy scares them? I don't think that is their first impulse.

I doubt very much they thought he was going to slit their throats.

Plus, in court testimony, Libby tried to unlock her phone, probably while hidden in her pocket but unable to do so.