Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

[tlcya]

Dependent Personality Disorder​

Dependent personality disorder (DPD) is a type of anxious personality disorder. People with DPD often feel helpless, submissive and incapable of taking care of themselves. They may have trouble making simple decisions. The condition is treatable with psychotherapy (talk therapy). Medication may help as well.
Dependent Personality Disorder

Allen arrived at Westville Correctional Facility with depression and anxiety, Westcott said. He also has a dependent personality disorder, a mental health condition that involves an excessive need to be taken care of by others.
Neuropsychologist who tested Richard Allen says he did not fake psychotic behavior

Really? This is his serious mental health issue that made his incarceration so much more intolerable to the point of creating psychosis and 60 plus "false" confessions?

My spouse is excessively needy and apparently incapable of taking care of many of his own needs. I had no idea that was a personality disorder.

 

[ClearAhead]

IMO, yes he was high functioning.

He was able to maintain full time work and was even promoted;
He was able to study to become a Pharmacy Technician and was successful in those studies;
He and Kathy travelled, at least for hikes - alone and together;
He carried out routine daily tasks by all by himself such as driving (to/from work - his mom's house);
He maintained a public social life in the pool hall; and
He was capable of hiding in plain sight ... until he wasn't.

IMO.

RA might’ve been a functional alcoholic but I disagree that any alcoholic is “high” functioning. One big issue is alcohol deprivation causes their temper to rage out of control over essentially nothing. As a result they become somewhat isolated in order to keep their alcohol supply under control at all times.

He did not become a pharm tech until after the murders. I’m curious what dates he sought treatment for his alcoholism. It was possibly the reason his entire work history up to his 40s included clerical (ie minimum wage) positions at Walmart and CVS. I also suspect there had to be some sort of enabling involved in the relationship with his wife. JMO

 

[MiniMoo]

Dependent Personality Disorder​

Dependent personality disorder (DPD) is a type of anxious personality disorder. People with DPD often feel helpless, submissive and incapable of taking care of themselves. They may have trouble making simple decisions. The condition is treatable with psychotherapy (talk therapy). Medication may help as well.
Dependent Personality Disorder

Allen arrived at Westville Correctional Facility with depression and anxiety, Westcott said. He also has a dependent personality disorder, a mental health condition that involves an excessive need to be taken care of by others.
Neuropsychologist who tested Richard Allen says he did not fake psychotic behavior

Really? This is his serious mental health issue that made his incarceration so much more intolerable to the point of creating psychosis and 60 plus "false" confessions?

My spouse is excessively needy and apparently incapable of taking care of many of his own needs. I had no idea that was a personality disorder.

Can't help but wonder if this is what solitary confinement did to him as prior to it he was only known to have suffered from depression and anxiety.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[steeltowngirl]

Police went to RA’s home to ‘keep the peace’ due to drunkenness.
Every other picture of him we’ve seen, he was in a bar.
The only friends interviewed by media were from the bar.
He said he drank a six pack the day the girls were murdered.

Why would we doubt his own report of being an alcoholic?

 

[tlcya]

Can't help but wonder if this is what solitary confinement did to him as prior to it he was only known to have suffered from depression and anxiety.

JMO MOO JMT

I can't help but wonder if this "new" personality disorder is a convenient excuse for 60 plus confessions

 

[ClearAhead]

Well I found this and remember hearing a similar report:

Wala told the jury Allen said he had been an alcoholic twice since 2011.

It was early April when Allen made that comment. Of course, it makes no sense. And this was during the same conversation when he said he killed all of his family and would kill himself by standing on the sink. He also stated that he started WW 2.

To me, this does not sound like a legit admission to being an alcoholic. JMO

Delphi Murders trial: Day 11 live blog

Richard Allen, accused of murdering two teenage girls in Delphi, Indiana, is on trial and Day 11 of the trial began with testimony from several witnesses including Steve Mullin, John Galipeau, Ethan Drang, and Michael Clemons.

www.wishtv.com

Well he certainly wasn’t ‘on the wagon’ Feb 13th, 2017 because he said he went to visit his parents but instead of going for lunch with them he bought a 6-pack and drank 3 prior to picking up his coat and heading to the trails.

He made the admission of alcoholism and even if you choose to not believe it does not make it any less legit.

 

[tlcya]

Police went to RA’s home to ‘keep the peace’ due to drunkenness.
Every other picture of him we’ve seen, he was in a bar.
The only friends interviewed by media were from the bar.
He said he drank a six pack the day the girls were murdered.

Why would we doubt his own report of being an alcoholic?

because to deny the 60 plus confessions one must also deny everything he said within them.

It's his incarceration that caused his alleged psychosis, it's his incarceration that caused his fancy new personality disorder, it's his incarceration that caused his confessions. - allegedly - conveniently

 

[MassGuy]

Oh boy, this should be very interesting:

This afternoon we’re expecting testimony from Allen’s wife Kathy, sister Jaime and daughter Brittany. Brittany is in courthouse but hasn’t been in courtroom yet.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1853499079592223140

 

[steeltowngirl]

Oh boy, this should be very interesting:

This afternoon we’re expecting testimony from Allen’s wife Kathy, sister Jaime and daughter Brittany. Brittany is in courthouse but hasn’t been in courtroom yet.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1853499079592223140

They will deny the molesting of course. KA for defense. Ok.

 

[MassGuy]

They will deny the molesting of course. KA for defense. Ok.

Absolutely. That’s a major point, as if the molestation can be refuted then it could lead to doubts about the rest of the confessions.

As we’ve seen in other recent cases, family members of the accused will typically side with them, even if they’ve previously given statements that are somewhat harmful.

 

[tlcya]

I hope, when Kathy Allen is on the stand the state will ask her about that alleged statement she made to RA just prior to his arrest. The one where it has been reported she said "You told me you were never on the bridge" or something like that.

 

[Megnut]

Well he certainly wasn’t ‘on the wagon’ Feb 13th, 2017 because he said he went to visit his parents but instead of going for lunch with them he bought a 6-pack and drank 3 prior to picking up his coat and heading to the trails.

He made the admission of alcoholism and even if you choose to not believe it does not make it any less legit.

Day drinking, no less.

JMO

 

[AugustWest]

They will deny the molesting of course. KA for defense. Ok.

If it is actually untrue, of course they will. If they didn't testify, then the jury might look at that fact as an admission. They run the risk of the jury thinking the testimony is self-serving, but what other choice is there?

 

[NoeticSoul]

Oh boy, this should be very interesting:

This afternoon we’re expecting testimony from Allen’s wife Kathy, sister Jaime and daughter Brittany. Brittany is in courthouse but hasn’t been in courtroom yet.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1853499079592223140

Wow! Wish I was a fly on that wall today

 

[Tortoise]

About whether Westcott watched the police interview:

Richard Allen's sister and daughter say he never molested them, despite confession | Day 15 of Delphi murders trial

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

A juror asked if Wescott watched the police interview with Allen. Wescott said no.

SIGH.
MOO

Another source -

Another jury question asked Westcott if she watched Allen’s interviews with police. She said she hadn’t.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-defense-expert-testifies-about-richard-allens-mental-state-and-decline/

 

[Trebor5591]

On Day 15, the defense called Dr. Polly Westcott, a neuropsychologist from Carmel, to the stand. Westcott specializes in forensic psychology and neuropathy, which ties brain function to mental health.

Westcott told the court she reviewed his mental health records and watched video footage of Allen at Westville Correction Facility. She also listened to phone calls Allen made in prison.

She described Allen’s mental health history as “extensive” and said he had intense anxiety about going to school that made him “closed off” from others. He started on anti-anxiety medications in his 20s. She believes he has “dependent personality” disorder, meaning he relies on other people to feel whole. It manifests as a dependency on his wife and mother.

Westcott described Allen as a “fragile egg” who has a constant fear of abandonment and drew six main conclusions about him:

His long history of mental health issues started when his father abandoned him as a child

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-defense-expert-testifies-about-richard-allens-mental-state-and-decline/

 

[FromGermany1]

"He would fall apart when they were not physically there."

they= his loved ones

Did he go "on a mission" to numb himself and stay alive, when they weren't physically there?

 

[Marah]

Was RA asked what path he took to get back to his car?

 

[tlcya]

If it is actually untrue, of course they will. If they didn't testify, then the jury might look at that fact as an admission. They run the risk of the jury thinking the testimony is self-serving, but what other choice is there?

agree, the confessions planted a specific seed in the minds of the jury. the defense must address it, even if they run the risk of doing so appearing self serving. They can't leave that topic untouched.

 

[ClearAhead]

Day drinking, no less.

JMO

And while alone.

JMO