Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

[Momofthreeboys]

BG walked with a noticable limp, by all accounts. Has it ever been established that RA walked with the same limp? Even if the BG/RA's limp was temporary, caused by a fall, bad shoes, whatever-- I would think that others such as his wife or co-workers would have noticed and made a connection.

Or it just appeared to be a limp because of the bridge conditions.

 

[taylorss]

I mentioned this in my theory a few days ago.
I think she knew it was him and told him so when the first picture was released.
He probably said he was on the trails that day and the picture was probably taken by one of the 4 girls he passed. Remember, he had no reason to suspect the picture came from Libby's phone as it wasn't declared when first released. So off he went to give his tip and subsequent interview with Dulin.
What happened then nobody knows? She was never questioned as far as I'm aware and RA got very very lucky with such a negligent LE running the show.
she probably thought whatever he told them stacked up as he never heard back from them.

That's interesting, I like your theory.

He's on the bridge in the pic but somehow she believed him when he said he was never on the bridge .... she must've avoided looking at the BG pic to keep from spotting this discrepancy MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

If it is actually untrue, of course they will. If they didn't testify, then the jury might look at that fact as an admission. They run the risk of the jury thinking the testimony is self-serving, but what other choice is there?

I have no issue with them testifying. Just predicting what may be said. I expected KA all along to testify. Didn’t expect their daughter.

 

[Seattle1]

BG walked with a noticable limp, by all accounts. Has it ever been established that RA walked with the same limp? Even if the BG/RA's limp was temporary, caused by a fall, bad shoes, whatever-- I would think that others such as his wife or co-workers would have noticed and made a connection.

Wasn't it established that BG's gait as seen on the bridge was due to the condition of the bridge slats and not a physical condition? I don't think he limps in the jail videos or entering court and especially not the video of RA playing pool where he's jumping up and down! JMO

 

[justtrish]

Day drinking, no less.

JMO

Skipping lunch with his mom and sister to then just pick up a 6 pack and day drink AND go for a 2 hour walk at the local trail. Something I found odd is for someone just wanting to go out for a walk, which is something good for you and your health, but first they are going to get some beers in them. So he's also admitting to drinking and then driving. I guess his tolerance could be such that he wouldn't be above the limit, but 3 beers in any type of short time frame and then driving isn't the best idea. IMO

I think @MassGuy had a great theory that he drank some beer to loosen up and get prepared for what he had planned.. maybe help get rid of any thoughts he had that were telling him no don't do this. It was just enough liquid courage for him to carry through with this awful crime.

 

[tlcya]

I always thought BG's unusual gait had to do with navigating the bridge and the fact that his hands were in his pockets while doing so.

 

[arielilane]

So RA visits w/his mother in Peru that morning, declined lunch, and instead chose a six pack of beer, heads to the trail, watch fish and a stock ticker.

On a warmer day in February, decides to bundle up, basically conceals identity.

Curious if anything triggered him that morning?

Why that day?

Opportunity?

Its bothersome.

Its an opinion.

 

[tlcya]

Allen has “significant slowdown” in cognitive ability with low problem-solving abilities and a tendency to fixate on things; she said he focused on money and finances before prison; after his arrest, he became fixated on confessing
https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delp...bout-richard-allens-mental-state-and-decline/

Well a a cognitive "slowdown" and a tendency to fixate does not explain the confessions for me, but A for effort doc.

 

[ClearAhead]

Reading this about RA's history, one wonders how he could possibly have served in the National Guard Reserve. And am I remembering right - 20 years doing so?

Trying to imagine - “Under external stress, Allen "crumbles & falls apart - literally crawling up in a ball."

The following if from a ISP interview however he doesn’t quantify the years in National Guard.

Delphi jurors saw dueling images of Richard Allen: one who claimed innocence, one who confessed

Jurors heard Richard Allen's voice for the first time Tuesday when prosecutors played videos of police interrogations. Prison officials also testified.

www.jconline.com

Jurors on Tuesday also learned more details about Allen's background and history with mental illness as they watched the lengthy police interrogations.

Allen said in one of the recorded interviews that he's struggled with suicidal thoughts for at least seven years. In 2010, he suffered a heart attack. He also has high blood pressure and cholesterol problems.

Allen graduated from North Miami High School, where he played football and track and field, and attended Ivy Tech Community College, where he studied accounting. He also joined the Army and the National Guard, he said during the first recorded interrogation.

Allen spent 10 years working as a manager at a Walmart store. He moved to CVS in 2013, starting at a location in Peru, Indiana. He was working at a CVS pharmacy in Delphi when he was arrested.

 

[Salah11]

It will be very interesting to see the reports on KA later as I admit I don’t understand why you would stay married to somebody like him. It sounds like an absolutely horrific situation to live in. So I am intrigued to see how she comes across and what their marriage was really like as on Paper I think most people wouldn’t stick it out. So maybe she saw a different RA.
MOO

 

[detectivewannab]

Skipping lunch with his mom and sister to then just pick up a 6 pack and day drink AND go for a 2 hour walk at the local trail. Something I found odd is for someone just wanting to go out for a walk, which is something good for you and your health, but first they are going to get some beers in them. So he's also admitting to drinking and then driving. I guess his tolerance could be such that he wouldn't be above the limit, but 3 beers in any type of short time frame and then driving isn't the best idea. IMO

I think @MassGuy had a great theory that he drank some beer to loosen up and get prepared for what he had planned.. maybe help get rid of any thoughts he had that were telling him no don't do this. It was just enough liquid courage for him to carry through with this awful crime.

My family friend was murdered by her boyfriends brother that was an alcoholic. He wanted his brother to stay and play video games & drink beer. Just picked up a gun and shot her.

 

[MassGuy]

It will be very interesting to see the reports on KA later as I admit I don’t understand why you would stay married to somebody like him. It sounds like an absolutely horrific situation to live in. So I am intrigued to see how she comes across and what their marriage was really like as on Paper I think most people wouldn’t stick it out. So maybe she saw a different RA.
MOO

There seems to be a strong religious element in play here. Might be important to look through that lens as well.

 

[flashy09]

Reading this about RA's history, one wonders how he could possibly have served in the National Guard Reserve. And am I remembering right - 20 years doing so?

I wonder how many people that are "passive and afraid of others" choose to enter the National Guard.

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/delphi-murders-defense-expert-testifies-about-richard-allens-mental-state-and-decline/

Another juror asked if someone’s anxiety and depression as a child could cause them to commit a crime as an adult. She said it would depend, adding that someone who was passive and afraid of others wouldn’t normally act out aggressively.

 

[taylorss]

Can you direct me to where this was reported? I’ve seen it reported both ways (that she said she knew and didn’t know). I’m looking for a link to an MSM source if you have one. Thanks in advance

Oh I never heard it the opposite way - if I'm understanding you right, it's also been reported that said she DID know he'd been on the bridge that day?? I wouldn't even be surprised at mixed reporting, it must be like a game of telephone trying to catch what's said on a tape being played in a courtroom

I'm following the reporting on what happened at trial in a few different spots... Gray Hughes, Murder Sheet, Tom Webster, Prosecutors podcast.. IIRC it's from the second police interview when talking to his wife after being confronted with bullet evidence. I hope someday we'll all be able to hear those tapes
MOO

 

[justtrish]

Reading this about RA's history, one wonders how he could possibly have served in the National Guard Reserve. And am I remembering right - 20 years doing so?

I am no RA fan by any means. I think he is guilty and I actually think his confessions were genuine and he did want to rid himself of this burden.

With that being said, the national guard is just a cross section of society. My husband was in the guard for many years before moving to active duty. The NG is something many do who feel called to serve, but maybe don't want to move around all over the world. They can serve and stay close to "home". It attracts all kinds of people for different reasons. I think some that are teetering on the good/bad path think entering the military will help them. For many it does. It gives them purpose and many thrive on the schedule and predictability of things. Others get by, but don't love it. They manage it, but aren't what I would say super successful. Which is fine, there is a need for all types of people with different way so of thinking. Then for others if they are predisposed for some mental health issues, it might actually bring them out. I recall seeing Ricks military record through 2009 maybe it was.. if he later said he was an alcoholic twice since 2010, maybe he didn't adjust to being out of the national guard. Maybe the military was something that kept him in check. IMO

 

[Vern]

Did LE speak to RA while the girls were still missing? I hadn’t seen that?

Sorry, BW, not RA.

LE spoke to BW on 13 Feb 2017 around 1730hrs. While the girls were still missing.

 

[taylorss]

IMO, I think she recognized that photo of BG as being her spouse - RA.

I think she asked him about it and he denied having been on the bridge at all that day. "That's not me Kathy; I wasn't on the bridge that day, I was only on the trail". (The photo is obviously taken on the bridge - one can see the bridge clearly).

Kathy believes him and encourages him to talk to LE because he was on the trails. RA himself stated that he came forward at the encouragement of his wife ... Had it not been for her, he wouldn't have said a darn thing about it or tipped himself in IMO. But he was caught out by her so he had to.

She knows he's talked to LE ... and life goes on swimmingly for 5 long years. So, in reality she's had 5 years to believe him as there has been zero repercussions to his chat with LE.

Than, BAM, they find themselves being questionned - RA is now a POI and her reaction is, "But you told me that you weren't on the bridge Richard". With this statement she has indicated that she had queried him about that photo - about it being him. He denied it. She believed him for 5 years. Where she's at now is another ball game.

He played her. KA was another of RA's victims ... at least for 5 long years.

And, the fact that he lied to her about being on the bridge that day, despite admitting to LE that he was on platform one of that bridge is yet just another bit of "guilty knowledge" on RAs part.

IMO.

Yeah you perfectly described what was nagging at me about this
Moo

 

[ClearAhead]

So RA visits w/his mother in Peru that morning, declined lunch, and instead chose a six pack of beer, heads to the trail, watch fish and a stock ticker.

On a warmer day in February, decides to bundle up, basically conceals identity.

Curious if anything triggered him that morning?

Why that day?

Opportunity?

Its bothersome.

Its an opinion.

Perhaps the P will call his mother and stepfather (?) on rebuttal because something must’ve happened. Was somebody else invited who RA didn’t expect, or didn’t want to be around?

Otherwise the plan sounded like a typical family scenario, son is driving up, parents plan to go out to eat to have a nice lunch, probably fully prepared to foot the bill as it was their idea. Then RA arrives and hardly has his shoes off before he takes off instead? Why? It just doesn’t make sense, parents must’ve been dreadfully disappointed. Off RA goes within 15 minutes and heads to the nearest liquor outlet, buys a 6-pack and guzzles 3. Back to Delphi he goes, then what?

 

[taylorss]

And yet there was blood...

JMO MOO JMT

? Free flowing blood from a horrible wound would wash away foreign DNA yeah? JMO

 

[rickstyles84]

Allen has “significant slowdown” in cognitive ability with low problem-solving abilities and a tendency to fixate on things; she said he focused on money and finances before prison; after his arrest, he became fixated on confessing
https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delp...bout-richard-allens-mental-state-and-decline/

Well a a cognitive "slowdown" and a tendency to fixate does not explain the confessions for me, but A for effort doc.

Even more so it doubles down on the age-old idea of a "guilty conscience" to me