Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

[photographer4]

What are the rules here? We believe everything RA utters but disbelieve his family?

and she’s the only one apparently who did any objective testing, which also screens for malingering.

And clearly she met with RA and KA to make a good assessment. She also reviewed his past medical records. I liked her as a witness actually - she seems professional and appears at a brief glance of her credentials to have a great deal of experience!

 

[Vern]

A little more detail and slightly different answers from this source
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Another juror asked if someone’s anxiety and depression as a child could cause them to commit a crime as an adult. She said it would depend, adding that someone who was passive and afraid of others wouldn’t normally act out aggressively.

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RSB,

Well, there's the opening widely for the Prosecution to bring in that video of him swearing at and threatening to kill the guard that we heard about the other day.

And that's a recent occurance - well after any alleged psychosis.

Wonder if the Prosecution will query KA or their daughter about any aggresive activity that happened prior to or after 13 Feb 2017. Perhaps the night KA had to call 911 and ended up taking him to the hospital for treatment??

IMO.

 

[BUF]

With his family members being called to testify, do you think the defense case is nearing an end?

 

[Vaderman]

Predictions on how hard the prosecution grills KA during cross? Do they go easy on her or try to get a reaction from either her or RA?

 

[detectivewannab]

Yeah the whole thing with clothing moving around is still a mystery... it doesn't matter to the crime so I don't nec feel "entitled" to know ... but it is confusing
IMO

Control. He wanted it. I think it why he choose younger victims. Libby got him with the video. I also think she was hiding the phone.

 

[tlcya]

No. I have no idea if that’s even true. But if that can be refuted, it can be used to cast doubt on the rest of it.

Family members tend to side with the accused. So even if they’ve made damaging statements in the past (like his wife saying his mental health declined further following the murders), I expect her to “clarify” any remarks like that.

And I couldn’t disagree more. I know that much of those confessions were made in an altered mental state. I give those a low level of weight.

But his account of that day is specific, contains details only known to him, and fits absolutely perfectly with historical behavior of sexually motivated murderers.

This crime was committed by someone just like him, who would have exhibited similar pre and post offense behavior.

agree, believing every word of RAs in his confessions is not reasonable. But not believing a single word of them is also IMO not reasonable. Each should be and will be given the weight the jury deems appropriate. As some of us in the public are doing as well.

It is equally ridiculous to completely disregard every word of his confessions and yet feel every utterance of a denial should be given more weight than those confessions. MOO

 

[photographer4]

This is just my opinion, of course, but I would be REALLY surprised if RA didn't have CP on his computer or phones. There has to be some kind of motivation (can't think of the right word) for him to decide to allegedly go to the bridge with a gun and boxcutter to hunt for a victim or two. Maybe he had been thinking about, fantasizing about, and/or planned this for awhile. I don't really know. But I don't think RA just out of the blue decided to go SA someone that day. And if he was into CP, the prosecutors surely would've brought it up already, no? Even if the one phone is missing, I would think the others would also show CP.

It seems like the worst thing they could find on his google history was some horror movie searches from 2022. I couldn't help but notice, he didn't google things like how to wipe a device, or how to remove blood stains, where to buy a new jacket etc... Doesn't seem like he had anything that would connect him to the crime or the kids on whatever devices of his they removed from the home / in his google history... no dna, no transfer evidence... nothing it seems that links him to this at all really. Seems he went for a walk on a bridge on the day someone killed the kids. MOOOOO.

"
Stacy Bozinovski told the jury she tested items from the crime scene, including clothing from Abby and Libby, skin cells from under their fingertips, blood from the crime scene and the unspent bullet found between the victims’ bodies. While she found DNA from both girls on most of the crime scene samples, there was no DNA from Allen.
There was DNA from an unknown male found at the crime scene – but Bozinovski testified this was not unusual and could have come from the girls’ environment. There was no DNA evidence of sexual assault, she testified, according to WTHR."

2nd quote:
'Asked about hair samples found at the crime scene, Bozinovski said the state was not testing them now. “But this is the time,” replied defense attorney Jennifer Auger said. “Richard Allen is on trial now!”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/04/us/delphi-murders-trial-richard-allen/index.html

 

[Notthisshipsister]

Wasn't it established that BG's gait as seen on the bridge was due to the condition of the bridge slats and not a physical condition? I don't think he limps in the jail videos or entering court and especially not the video of RA playing pool where he's jumping up and down! JMO

That's what I didn't know-- I hadn't seen anything that attributed the gait to the bridge condition (which makes sense) or an actual physical condition. Thanks

 

[steeltowngirl]

Control. He wanted it. I think it why he choose younger victims. Libby got him with the video. I also think she was hiding the phone.

Younger yes, more likely to comply. One thing that I can’t understand is why would he choose to attack so close to his home?

 

[Vern]

BG walked with a noticable limp, by all accounts. Has it ever been established that RA walked with the same limp? Even if the BG/RA's limp was temporary, caused by a fall, bad shoes, whatever-- I would think that others such as his wife or co-workers would have noticed and made a connection.

I'm not certain that video shows BG walking with a limp especially so on a bridge that was not a solid structure, so not walking a normal 'sure-footed' walk.

It's 3 frames from a video played in a loop; ergo not "continuous movement'.

IMO.

 

[taylorss]

Yeah did I miss something ... what was useful about those google searches?
Moo

 

[detectivewannab]

Predictions on how hard the prosecution grills KA during cross? Do they go easy on her or try to get a reaction from either her or RA?

If anyone know it's her. I feel for her but he needs to behind bars.

 

[Notthisshipsister]

Yeah the whole thing with clothing moving around is still a mystery... it doesn't matter to the crime so I don't nec feel "entitled" to know ... but it is confusing
IMO

I don't know that it's been "officially" decided. My thought was that a girl standing naked, who might have a chance to redress, would just grab whatever was around her and pull it on, inside out, wrong size/not hers, whatever. JMO

 

[Cyber sleuth]

agree, believing every word of RAs in his confessions is not reasonable. But not believing a single word of them is also IMO not reasonable. Each should be and will be given the weight the jury deems appropriate. As some of us in the public are doing as well.

It is equally ridiculous to completely disregard every word of his confessions and yet feel every utterance of a denial should be given more weight than those confessions. MOO

Right many of us here have made incorrect statements or errors in theory. Doesn’t mean everything we say should be automatically dismissed.
I say weight it, use discernment and consider the source and their motivations.
The Le made mistakes in their investigation doesn’t mean you throw away the whole case.
The defense made some grave errors and some misleading statements doesn’t mean their client is any more guilty.

Jmo

 

[BUF]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 15 live blog

Follow Day 15 in the trial of Richard Allen, accused of murdering two girls in Delphi. Stay updated with our live blog for the latest developments.

www.wishtv.com

News 8’s Kyla Russell said Kathy Allen has not been in the courtroom all morning, but Allen’s daughter was seated outside the courtroom. His daughter has not been present throughout the trial.

 

[acehard]

Predictions on how hard the prosecution grills KA during cross? Do they go easy on her or try to get a reaction from either her or RA?

The lawyers are apparently yelling over each other. I don't think there will even need a 'permission to treat hostile'. They will go max. MOO

 

[taylorss]

The lawyers are apparently yelling over each other. I don't think there will even need a 'permission to treat hostile'. They will go max. MOO

Omg what, really? This sounds like chaos

 

[steeltowngirl]

What are the rules here? We believe everything RA utters but disbelieve his family?

I don’t believe everything RA utters. I do believe his confessions. Haven’t heard the family yet, and it’s sad if they have to address molesting at all (if that’s what they are testifying about.) Sadly, RA brought it into the room. Is he lying about that too? Now his family will have to be truthful. I hope he didn’t hurt his daughter - he said he “thought” about it. So she really can’t testify to what he thinks, anyhow. Just what she knows happened, or did not.

jmo

 

[Salah11]

There seems to be a strong religious element in play here. Might be important to look through that lens as well.

That makes sense as I don’t have a religious bone in my body. So this could explain why to it makes zero sense.

 

[flashy09]

I'm not certain that video shows BG walking with a limp especially so on a bridge that was not a solid structure, so not walking a normal 'sure-footed' walk.

It's 3 frames from a video played in a loop; ergo not "continuous movement'.

IMO.

I agree and it was addressed in the 2019 PC. "Remember, he is walking on the former railroad bridge. Because of the deteriorated condition of the bridge, the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the ties."

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