Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

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The trail timeline to identify Richard Allen as Bridge guy is absolutely key here and I just don't think the prosecution are doing enough to get their facts across to the jury.
The fact a day or so after the murders he said he was there between 13:30 & 15:30. But 5 (FIVE!) years later he changed that time frame to much earlier. Ask yourselves what is likely to be the more vivid memory? Days after or multiple years?
No photos in court showing the perspective Betsy Blair would've had from her vantage point to the first platform. It was about 100 yards wasn't it. Very difficult to give an age approximation from that distance. She did so anyway and the defense have been hanging on it.
As far as I can see they haven't presented exactly where the group of girls saw him on the trail and I also think at trial they didn't ask the witnesses from that group in which direction he was travelling?

When asked in 2022 if he had ever crossed the full length of the bridge on previous trips to the trails he said it was treacherous and not something he had done for years. The girls were murdered 'years' before this interview!
There are many more details that haven't been mentioned imo.
The prosecution are really showing a lack of thorough investigation to me.
They are tiny details, but in the scheme of things put together they are huge ...but I don't get the impression the prosecution are getting it across.
I wonder if a time study was done to verify the distance that was between BG and the girls at the beginning of Libby’s video and if that measurement coincides with the time stamp when the voice was recorded.
 
Frankly I don't know how people could objectively decide what he claimed that was truthful and what was not during his confessions.
RSBM

There's a big difference between a confession such as (wtte)

"I did it" "I killed Abby and Libby."

and

"I saw their ages (no doubt IMO when they were unclothed), I planned to assault them but I saw a van and I got scared, and so I made them cross the creek."

The second variety of confession taps into personal memories, changed plans, feelings, and rationale for behavior, which altogether (IMO) would be very unlikely and hard to do if one was not referencing actual experience. After that - I'd consider that the narrative makes chronological sense and there are facts which back it up (a van did appear in that time-frame, the driveway on which the van appeared was visible from the crime scene, the dropped clothing/shoe was in the creek, the phone data). That's how I would differentiate.
 
Yeah did I miss something ... what was useful about those google searches?
Moo
Imo nothing - but the State wants jurors to infer that because he might like horror movies, or had some reason to search for them (eg: maybe he had a convo with a friend about a movie they'd heard about or seen or whatever...) that he must be a monster. Its desperate of the State imo. Nothing there that screams RA snapped and killed two kids on a day years prior to those searches imo.....
 
Nope. Probably because that would make too much sense.

It looks like ISP used their own guy, and although the Feds were involved in that aspect to an extent, we don’t know to what extent.

This is usually one of the most compelling parts of trial, and they don’t seem to have gone in depth with it at all.

Agree -- this one is puzzling. Seems like having detailed info here would really strengthen the state's case and help support some of the weaker (perhaps less robust, though likely true) witness testimony.

Wonder how much territorialism etc. affected this investigation.
 
RSBM

There's a big difference between a confession such as (wtte)

"I did it" "I killed Abby and Libby."

and

"I saw their ages (no doubt IMO when they were unclothed), I planned to assault them but I saw a van and I got scared, and so I made them cross the creek."

The second variety of confession taps into personal memories, changed plans, feelings, and rationale for behavior, which altogether (IMO) would be very unlikely and hard to do if one was not referencing actual experience. After that - I'd consider that the narrative makes chronological sense and there are facts which back it up (a van did appear in that time-frame, the driveway on which the van appeared was visible from the crime scene, the dropped clothing/shoe was in the creek, the phone data). That's how I would differentiate.
You said so perfectly what I have been thinking. Thank you!
 
Allen has “significant slowdown” in cognitive ability with low problem-solving abilities and a tendency to fixate on things; she said he focused on money and finances before prison; after his arrest, he became fixated on confessing
https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delp...bout-richard-allens-mental-state-and-decline/

Well a a cognitive "slowdown" and a tendency to fixate does not explain the confessions for me, but A for effort doc.
That's interesting - focused on money and finances prior to arrest. Is that what he discussed with his mother prior to murdering two teenager girls? Were there inheritance discussions where his sister was favoured? Did he borrow money from his parents to buy the house, and it was a loan, pre-inheritance, or interest bearing? I'm curious what happened during that visit that put him in such a bad mood that he wanted to kill someone.

He paid cash for his house in 2006, so that wasn't a financial burden ... unless he added a mortgage for lifestyle costs.
 
It will be very interesting to see the reports on KA later as I admit I don’t understand why you would stay married to somebody like him. It sounds like an absolutely horrific situation to live in. So I am intrigued to see how she comes across and what their marriage was really like as on Paper I think most people wouldn’t stick it out. So maybe she saw a different RA.
MOO
Financial stability? Was he the major source of income for the family? Without his income, did she have to sell the house (2023)?
 
It seems like the worst thing they could find on his google history was some horror movie searches from 2022. I couldn't help but notice, he didn't google things like how to wipe a device, or how to remove blood stains, where to buy a new jacket etc... Doesn't seem like he had anything that would connect him to the crime or the kids on whatever devices of his they removed from the home / in his google history... no dna, no transfer evidence... nothing it seems that links him to this at all really. Seems he went for a walk on a bridge on the day someone killed the kids. MOOOOO.

"
Stacy Bozinovski told the jury she tested items from the crime scene, including clothing from Abby and Libby, skin cells from under their fingertips, blood from the crime scene and the unspent bullet found between the victims’ bodies. While she found DNA from both girls on most of the crime scene samples, there was no DNA from Allen.
There was DNA from an unknown male found at the crime scene – but Bozinovski testified this was not unusual and could have come from the girls’ environment. There was no DNA evidence of sexual assault, she testified, according to WTHR."

2nd quote:
'Asked about hair samples found at the crime scene, Bozinovski said the state was not testing them now. “But this is the time,” replied defense attorney Jennifer Auger said. “Richard Allen is on trial now!”

Those searches were years after the murders, and things like wiping a device, removing blood stains, etc, would have been lost to time.

He did go for a walk that day, by his own account under the influence of alcohol. He claimed to have been on his phone checking stock quotes, yet his phone was not transmitting with a tower. Why would he lie?

He said he was on the trail at the same time the killer would have had to have been there, before drastically changing his timeline in a transparent attempt to sell the story that it couldn’t have been him.

He said he was dressed similarly to BG.

Witnesses saw a man dressed similarly to BG.

He saw witnesses who sound very similar to the witnesses who saw him.

Allen did not see BG, yet multiple other people seem to have seen him, and their timelines make it more than plausible that they did.

A cartridge matching his gun was found at the scene.

He mentioned using a box cutter and disposing it in a CVS dumpster. The wounds on the girls appear to be of the type you’d expect to be made by that weapon.

The crime scene was chaotic, which can tell you a lot about a killer. Richard Allen couldn’t possibly be a better fit in that regard.

Those searches unequivocally prove that he was familiar with the Delphi case, yet he apparently didn’t know where that image of BG had come from. Instead of simply saying that image was not of him, he bizarrely equivocated, saying that it couldn’t be him if the girls took it.

He was just playing stupid.

As for the lack of DNA, the fact that the girls were murdered is not in dispute. Someone killed them and managed not to leave DNA, regardless of if one thinks Allen is innocent or guilty.

How? Allen tells us.

He used a box cutter, which would have made it much less likely that he would have cut himself (as opposed to a knife).

He did not commit rape, as he said he was disrupted.

The murder was committed outdoors, and the elements destroy DNA.

To say that nothing connects him to this simply isn’t true.
 
That's interesting - focused on money and finances prior to arrest. Is that what he discussed with his mother prior to murdering two teenager girls? Were there inheritance discussions where his sister was favoured? Did he borrow money from his parents to buy the house, and it was a loan, pre-inheritance, or interest bearing? I'm curious what happened during that visit that put him in such a bad mood that he wanted to kill someone.

He paid cash for his house in 2006, so that wasn't a financial burden ... unless he added a mortgage for lifestyle costs.
I found it interesting that the Dr. said he possessed low problem problem solving abilities, which to me goes right in sync with the very chaotic crime nature of the scene and apparent lack of a full plan, and his IMO attempts to conceal but giving up before the bodies were truly concealed. Very disorganized IMO and right in line with someone who has limited or low problem solving abilities.

It makes one wonder was he any good at finances? I tend to think not. JMO
 
Imo nothing - but the State wants jurors to infer that because he might like horror movies, or had some reason to search for them (eg: maybe he had a convo with a friend about a movie they'd heard about or seen or whatever...) that he must be a monster. Its desperate of the State imo. Nothing there that screams RA snapped and killed two kids on a day years prior to those searches imo.....
Agree the Google searches were not one of the prosecution's shining moments.
 
So now we have completely contradictory reports. Fantastic.
Minor I say this truly with respect that you’re a trial attorney…

You know this better than we laypeople—-of course the D and the P are going to bring in experts who will have opposing opinions and conclusions!

I assume you’ve had a front-row seat to this at least a thousand times.

Jmo
 
BG walked with a noticable limp, by all accounts. Has it ever been established that RA walked with the same limp? Even if the BG/RA's limp was temporary, caused by a fall, bad shoes, whatever-- I would think that others such as his wife or co-workers would have noticed and made a connection.
Lol. Yes. He must've been wearing his self confessed ill fitting military boots!
 
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