Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

[MiniMoo]

? Free flowing blood from a horrible wound would wash away foreign DNA yeah? JMO

Go back to the original question so you understand better.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[arielilane]

It will be very interesting to see the reports on KA later as I admit I don’t understand why you would stay married to somebody like him. It sounds like an absolutely horrific situation to live in. So I am intrigued to see how she comes across and what their marriage was really like as on Paper I think most people wouldn’t stick it out. So maybe she saw a different RA.
MOO

Denial. Very powerful in her case. only moo.

 

[taylorss]

I am still puzzled why Abby was dressed in Libby’s clothing. Was there any explanation during testimony? That being said, I feel like the prosecution has done a solid job.

Yeah the whole thing with clothing moving around is still a mystery... it doesn't matter to the crime so I don't nec feel "entitled" to know ... but it is confusing
IMO

 

[photographer4]

Or it just appeared to be a limp because of the bridge conditions.

I've thought more recently it appears to be a limp because of the way they put the video clip together, not because he actually walks with a limp. MOO.

 

[fred&edna]

Me too! I miss being able to see and read peoples' body language and facial expressions that we usually can during trials, so this has been rough! lol imo

I think this and the LVD (trial by tweet) have caused me to developed a new live-trial-deprivation disorder.

jmo

 

[taylorss]

@defense_diaries

#RichardAllenTrial UpdateMonday morning and the trial is about to get started. Seems likely that the Defense will be calling Brad Weber to the stand today. Brad Weber has become a critical witness for the State’s new theory that #RichardAllen saw Weber’s van at approximately 2:32 p.m. on 2/13/17 and it spooked him causing him to abandon his plan to S.A. the girls. Problem for the State is that Weber had made a prior inconsistent statement to FBI Agent Pohl early on in the investigation stating that he has serviced multiple ATM machines after he clocked out at 2:02 p.m., which had him arriving home after 3:10 p.m. on 2/13. The defense filed a motion on 11/1/24 to allow Agent Pohl to testify remotely this past Saturday from Texas as he has a medical condition which prohibits him from flying. Judge Gull denied the motion. The defense now has the challenging task of trying to impeach their own witness. Stay tuned.


8:30 AM · Nov 4, 2024

Omg this judge is tough !
IMO

 

[photographer4]

Allen has “significant slowdown” in cognitive ability with low problem-solving abilities and a tendency to fixate on things; she said he focused on money and finances before prison; after his arrest, he became fixated on confessing
https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delp...bout-richard-allens-mental-state-and-decline/

Well a a cognitive "slowdown" and a tendency to fixate does not explain the confessions for me, but A for effort doc.

It explains fixation perfectly to me. Can't really focus on finances and cash if you don't have access to either anymore... not really much else to focus on in the conditions in which they kept him in my view (so, moo to be clear).

 

[Spartygirl]

Denial. Very powerful in her case. only moo.

Yep
Denial and an Enabler !! IMO

Pretty common traits of a spouse or parent/child of an alcoholic/substance abuser.

Add in the fact he tends to act like he has "Little Man Syndrome" with all of his insecurities, IMO, which tend to have abusive patterns of a lifestyle.

All JMO

 

[tlcya]

Denial. Very powerful in her case. only moo.

IF we are to believe RA actually suffers DPD and KA is his "person" it would strongly suggest to me that SHE was his go to for direction on what to be doing when, making decisions for him that he felt incapable of making, reminding him to finish the half started projects around the house, etc and so forth. This would suggest their dynamic has been very parent/child rather than partner/spouse for many years. JMO thoughts on why she might not be able to admit a manchild husband is capable of this crime. In her own experience of him he probably isn't capable of much without her direction and assistance. SPECULATION.

 

[taylorss]

I wonder too if the pixelation of the video and public speculation turning attention towards RL, TK, KK, JC and others could have helped with this too?

One of the things about the video that I did appreciate is how well defined BG’s clothes are compared to his face due to the pixelation. The clothes IMO fortunately played a big role in identifying and matching witness statements regarding what BG looked liked that day and maybe tracking his movements. At the same time the outfit was also pretty common and unfortunately it may have been one of the reasons that led some members of the public to begin suspect or target negative attention towards RL, who was innocent by the way, because he wore a jacket that appeared similar to BG’s during one of his earlier interviews.

As for BG’s face, due to the pixelation, I used to perceive the nose as bit more blunt or thick, like JC’s or KK’s, who are also not suspects of this horrific crime, compared to YBG sketch and RA’s profile.

I guess my point overall was that I think maybe it is easier and feels safer for the brain and eyes to see similarities that allude multiple dangerous elements outside the outside the home than one sitting next to you everyday. Like despite your instincts or personal doubt there is a comfort and further encouragement that with all the fingers pointing at POIs none of them have yet to point at you or your spouse/partner

Yes for sure ... it's just RA has such a distinct build...
JMO

 

[Pennysmom1]

This is just my opinion, of course, but I would be REALLY surprised if RA didn't have CP on his computer or phones. There has to be some kind of motivation (can't think of the right word) for him to decide to allegedly go to the bridge with a gun and boxcutter to hunt for a victim or two. Maybe he had been thinking about, fantasizing about, and/or planned this for awhile. I don't really know. But I don't think RA just out of the blue decided to go SA someone that day. And if he was into CP, the prosecutors surely would've brought it up already, no? Even if the one phone is missing, I would think the others would also show CP.

 

[arielilane]

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@NewsyBarbara: This morning in Delphi Murders trial we heard from defense’s neuro and forensic psychologist Dr. Polly Westcot who says objective tests show Allen wasn’t faking his mental health struggles/psychosis a...…

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[Vern]

RA might’ve been a functional alcoholic but I disagree that any alcoholic is “high” functioning. One big issue is alcohol deprivation causes their temper to rage out of control over essentially nothing. As a result they become somewhat isolated in order to keep their alcohol supply under control at all times.

He did not become a pharm tech until after the murders. I’m curious what dates he sought treatment for his alcoholism. It was possibly the reason his entire work history up to his 40s included clerical (ie minimum wage) positions at Walmart and CVS. I also suspect there had to be some sort of enabling involved in the relationship with his wife. JMO

I agree. Just want to point out that nowhere did I state that all alcoholics are high functioning, just that IMO RA certainly is.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I suspect there was a fair amount of drinkers remorse

In my amateur opinion, it takes a LOT more than being snockered to perpetrate that maniacal, deviant slaughter. Evil, pure free will, premeditated evil.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[minor4th]

Absolutely. That’s a major point, as if the molestation can be refuted then it could lead to doubts about the rest of the confessions.

As we’ve seen in other recent cases, family members of the accused will typically side with them, even if they’ve previously given statements that are somewhat harmful.

So you’re going to believe RA’s “confession,” while he was in a psychotic state, to molesting children, but you’ve determined in advance that it’s a lie if his daughter says no molestation took place? Make it make sense.

I would say, yes, absolutely if any of RA’s confessions can be refuted, then none of them are reliable.

 

[MassGuy]

This is just my opinion, of course, but I would be REALLY surprised if RA didn't have CP on his computer or phones. There has to be some kind of motivation (can't think of the right word) for him to decide to allegedly go to the bridge with a gun and boxcutter to hunt for a victim or two. Maybe he had been thinking about, fantasizing about, and/or planned this for awhile. I don't really know. But I don't think RA just out of the blue decided to go SA someone that day. And if he was into CP, the prosecutors surely would've brought it up already, no? Even if the one phone is missing, I would think the others would also show CP.

There’s a counterpoint here. He may not be interested in teenage girls in the first place; it may just be that they were easy targets. I would expect some extreme types of though, but we’ve heard nothing about that.

 

[minor4th]

They will deny the molesting of course. KA for defense. Ok.

What are the rules here? We believe everything RA utters but disbelieve his family?

DELPHI MURDERS TRIAL: ‘No indication of faking or any type of exaggeration,’ neuropsychologist testifies about Richard Allen’s mental health

The 15th day of trial began in Carroll County around 9 a.m. on Nov. 4.

www.21alivenews.com

"Wescott reviewed video and phone calls from Allen’s time at Westville Correctional Facility. She also sat down with him to perform evaluations.

Wescott determined Allen was suffering from severe mental health issues. She says there was “No indication of faking or any type of exaggeration” for his actions in prison. She says she found consistency among all tests that Allen was suffering from psychosis."

Sounds like the D did get him assessed independently afterall, and that this person met with RA and his wife... Here is a second quote and link to that effect:

"Westcott said she watched all of the videos of Allen in prison, listened to his calls from prison, met separately with him and his wife, and reviewed notes from suicide logs. She also said that tests she conducted on Allen showed he was not faking symptoms, contradicting testimony by Dr. Monica Wala, Allen's therapist at Westville."

Defense in Delphi trial seeks to cast doubt on Richard Allen's confessions, discredit key witness

Dr. Polly Westcott testified for the defense that prolonged isolation and lack of meaningful contact with his wife aggravated Allen's mental illness

www.pal-item.com

and she’s the only one apparently who did any objective testing, which also screens for malingering.

 

[tlcya]

I wonder how many people that are "passive and afraid of others" choose to enter the National Guard.

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/delphi-murders-defense-expert-testifies-about-richard-allens-mental-state-and-decline/

Another juror asked if someone’s anxiety and depression as a child could cause them to commit a crime as an adult. She said it would depend, adding that someone who was passive and afraid of others wouldn’t normally act out aggressively.

I wonder how many of those passive and afraid of others fellas would call the LEO interrogating him and A-hole, and say things like "You want to f--- with me, f--- with me, but leave my wife out of this," Allen said. F---. Leave me out of this." to those LEOs.
Jurors hear about Richard Allen's prison confessions in Delphi trial

And later, but most recently, threatening to kill Cass County Jail Guards?

Seems pretty aggressive with zero passive attached to it to me

 

[MrsWatson]

There’s a counterpoint here. He may not be interested in teenage girls in the first place; it may just be that they were easy targets. I would expect some extreme types of *advertiser censored* though, but we’ve heard nothing about that.

Are there still magazines like you buy at the newsstand available in Adult Bookstores? I'm not speaking of things like Playboy, I'm thinking more specialized fare.

 

[MassGuy]

So you’re going to believe RA’s “confession,” while he was in a psychotic state, to molesting children, but you’ve determined in advance that it’s a lie if his daughter says no molestation took place? Make it make sense.

I would say, yes, absolutely if any of RA’s confessions can be refuted, then none of them are reliable.

No. I have no idea if that’s even true. But if that can be refuted, it can be used to cast doubt on the rest of it.

Family members tend to side with the accused. So even if they’ve made damaging statements in the past (like his wife saying his mental health declined further following the murders), I expect her to “clarify” any remarks like that.

And I couldn’t disagree more. I know that much of those confessions were made in an altered mental state. I give those a low level of weight.

But his account of that day is specific, contains details only known to him, and fits absolutely perfectly with historical behavior of sexually motivated murderers.

This crime was committed by someone just like him, who would have exhibited similar pre and post offense behavior.