Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

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There's a big difference between a confession such as (wtte)

"I did it" "I killed Abby and Libby."

and

"I saw their ages (no doubt IMO when they were unclothed), I planned to assault them but I saw a van and I got scared, and so I made them cross the creek."

The second variety of confession taps into personal memories, changed plans, feelings, and rationale for behavior, which altogether (IMO) would be very unlikely and hard to do if one was not referencing actual experience. After that - I'd consider that the narrative makes chronological sense and there are facts which back it up (a van did appear in that time-frame, the driveway on which the van appeared was visible from the crime scene, the dropped clothing/shoe was in the creek, the phone data). That's how I would differentiate.
I sort of agree with you. That last confession gives me the most pause. But the psychiatrist said today that she doubted that RA said those things in a logical, story-like narrative based on his behavior she saw that day and other phone calls he had on that day.

So I don’t know what to believe.
 
Need to try this again. Following posts were left out. Now, all posts are in chronological order.
Sorry for any confusion.
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@MaxLewisTV

Delphi Murders Trial Day 15 Lunch Update:

-We began this morning with Dr. Polly Westcott who is a specialist in forensic psychology
-She is paid by the defense and was asked by them in May 2023 to evaluate Richard Allen

-She did so by reviewing his medical records, as well as the video of him from prison and she went to Westville Correctional Facility to evaluate him
-Her in-person exam was in August 2023
-In her report, she found Allen had an “ extensive mental health history”


-Said he was closed off as a child and began anxiety meds in his 20s
-He has struggled with at times severe depression throughout his life
-She diagnosed him with dependent personality disorder which means he needs other people to feel like a whole person


-The doctor said Alan relies heavily on his wife and mother
-She described him as a “fragile egg” when he arrived at prison after his arrest
-Dr. Westcott said she ruled out the possibility that he was faking his symptoms through several widely-accepted objective tests


-She described a clear decline in his mental and physical health while in prison
-She also did a handwriting comparison of Mr. Allen which she says even further shows his mental health decline
-She said writing can show a persons thought process


-She says the confession statement is disorganized and lacks grammar and punctuation. Also said the thoughts are fragmented and all together are signs of psychosis

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- - These posts were already posted earlier:


-Dr. Westcott found that Allen is passive, avoids conflict and has a strong fear of abandonment
-She also testify that he is not very resilient and much more likely to decompensate under a stressful situation
-She said stressors, on top of severe depression, can lead to psychosis


-She said Dr. Wala’s medical notes and all medical notes are done through the provider’s eyes
-She seem to indicate that Richard Allen‘s detailed confession wouldn’t have been relayed in a narrative fashion as Dr. Wala put it in her report


-She also said Allen has sensory deprivation because the lights are on all the time and he was not sleeping
-During cross examination, deputy prosecutor Stacy Diener insinuated the Dr. Wescott received information about the defense attorneys opinion
-She said she did not


-Diener also pointed out that the prison psychologist and psychiatrist had more real time interaction with Allen so they’d be better suited to make a call on his health

-Westcott said her job was to look at mental health and documenting symptoms when asked why she chose to summarize some confessions and not others
-The jury asked several questions about Allen faking and Westcott’s testing methods


-After that, the defense attorneys assistant Max Baker was back on the stand
-Videos from insideAllen‘s prison cell were shown
-Again, the screen was turned so nobody from the public could see the videos

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-There was some later testimony that indicated they showed Alan eating his own poop and banging his head into the wall
-Some jurors had some noticeable reactions like looking away from the video, but most sat stonefaced and watched-There was a test cross examination by McLeland


-He said the defense was only trying to get sympathy from the jury
-He then asked Baker if they were trying to make Allen out to be the victim
-At point Rozzi objected and both attorneys begin speaking over one another-Judge Gull had to tell them to stop


-McLeland asked why they didn’t show more videos where Alan was just sitting around and being normal
-Baker responded: “as far as I can tell you didn’t want them to see them either”
-Baker is referencing the fact that the prosecution objected to all the videos being shown


-Court resumes at 1:30
-Unclear who our witnesses are going to be for the rest of the day
-Could possibly be RichardAllen‘s wife since she has not been in the courtroom all day
-Updates later
 
Even they noticed it:
I think that is pretty firmly established at least from the attorneys in the audience taking copious notes and reporting each day. Which is why the "intern's" retort around context was quite funny to me. One of the lawyers is a defense attorney so clearly her POV and the other seems to have a career primarily in personal injury/product liability and mediation and has some impressive credentials but has still opined on some of the same treatment. Judge Gull tried to get them fired so I'm guessing they are a sore spot for her even if she maintains integrity.
 
I sort of agree with you. That last confession gives me the most pause. But the psychiatrist said today that she doubted that RA said those things in a logical, story-like narrative based on his behavior she saw that day and other phone calls he had on that day.

So I don’t know what to believe.
I do not believe the defense psychiatrist-for-hire.
 
-She also did a handwriting comparison of Mr. Allen which she says even further shows his mental health decline
-She said writing can show a persons thought process


-She says the confession statement is disorganized and lacks grammar and punctuation. Also said the thoughts are fragmented and all together are signs of psychosis

Just as well she didn’t see my school work or sounds like she would of locked me up for being Dyslexic :D
 
I found it interesting that the Dr. said he possessed low problem problem solving abilities, which to me goes right in sync with the very chaotic crime nature of the scene and apparent lack of a full plan, and his IMO attempts to conceal but giving up before the bodies were truly concealed. Very disorganized IMO and right in line with someone who has limited or low problem solving abilities.

It makes one wonder was he any good at finances? I tend to think not. JMO
The low problem solving made me think he's not sophisticated enough to go on living his life after this horrible crime if he were guilty. I don't see him as some sort of criminal mastermind at all. I don't even see him as able to provide insight or details that only the killer would know - nothing that couldn't have been provided to him by Wala imo... she certainly provided a "story" according to the testimony by Dr. Westcott....

"Westcott said Allen’s confession appeared to have a narrative structure—a logical beginning, middle and end—that was altogether inconsistent with what she observed from Allen at the time."


2. "Westcott also commented on Dr. Monica Wala’s reports of Allen. Wala, who was Allen’s psychologist at Westville, reported Allen’s murder confessions in a “story-like” manner, according to Westcott, but the videos of Allen at the same time “weren’t logical.”

 
I sort of agree with you. That last confession gives me the most pause. But the psychiatrist said today that she doubted that RA said those things in a logical, story-like narrative based on his behavior she saw that day and other phone calls he had on that day.

So I don’t know what to believe.
Did she see video from the dates of his accurate confession. My understanding is she did not.
Can you please provide link to source that states she viewed video from the dates he confessed to his wife, mother and Dr Wala?
Thanks
 
Even they noticed it:

Right but as Prosecutors Podcast has noted for example, if you bring wild motions full of misrepresentations and lack evidence, then you can expect to get your motions dismissed. For all the wailing about the Franks, we now know many of the key contentions were false.

Similarly this can relate to trial strategy. For instance, saying a lot of things you know will get objected to, even though you know they will be sustained, because you want the jury to hear it.

There is no fundamental guideline these deicisons should be 50/50 - it depends on evidence, strength of your case, and strategy.

MOO
 
That's what I didn't know-- I hadn't seen anything that attributed the gait to the bridge condition (which makes sense) or an actual physical condition. Thanks

What might appear as a limp is a result of the video consisting of only three frames. Some MSM split the sequence while others ran it all together, again and again. IMO it was a poor attempt to make it appear as if he was walking because it created the false perception of a physical disability. When you watch it next time, notice how the tree in the background at the right jolts back to its starting position each time BG appears to limp.

The video can be found on this page:

JMO
 
Oh I never heard it the opposite way - if I'm understanding you right, it's also been reported that said she DID know he'd been on the bridge that day?? I wouldn't even be surprised at mixed reporting, it must be like a game of telephone trying to catch what's said on a tape being played in a courtroom

I'm following the reporting on what happened at trial in a few different spots... Gray Hughes, Murder Sheet, Tom Webster, Prosecutors podcast.. IIRC it's from the second police interview when talking to his wife after being confronted with bullet evidence. I hope someday we'll all be able to hear those tapes
MOO
Yes, I’ve heard it both ways. I’m following TMS, LL and AB.
I hope we get to hear the tapes or read the transcripts at some point!
 
I sort of agree with you. That last confession gives me the most pause. But the psychiatrist said today that she doubted that RA said those things in a logical, story-like narrative based on his behavior she saw that day and other phone calls he had on that day.

So I don’t know what to believe.

It wasn't quite in order though because of the bullet on the bridge part.

Wonder if they sent someone out to check beneath the bridge with a metal detector just to make sure.

JMO MOO JMT
 
Did she see video from the dates of his accurate confession. My understanding is she did not.
Can you please provide link to source that states she viewed video from the dates he confessed to his wife, mother and Dr Wala?
Thanks
Yes-she said she watched his in-cell video for that day and also listened to his recorded phone calls from that day. I will find the link - it was in one of todays early updates.
 
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