Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

[detectivewannab]

"Westcott said most of what a person says or perceives while in a psychotic state is not consistent with the world others perceive around them."

"Westcott said that in psychosis or delirium, a person doesn't know what's real and what isn't because of changes in the brain."

I'm having a hard time with her testimony because I believe she also testified that you don't have "brief psychosis," you are just in psychosis.

It doesn't make sense to me that Dr. Wala presented the most damning confession as a logical narrative that seemed to make sense. In addition, one of the things that struck me from reporting on the day that the phone calls to his wife and mother were played, was the impression that his voice was calm, and it was like he was just having a regular conversation with family. Of course, I haven't heard them, but that doesn't seem to fit with the testimony from today.

For some reason I picture her as the psychologist on the Saponos

"Westcott said most of what a person says or perceives while in a psychotic state is not consistent with the world others perceive around them."

"Westcott said that in psychosis or delirium, a person doesn't know what's real and what isn't because of changes in the brain."

I'm having a hard time with her testimony because I believe she also testified that you don't have "brief psychosis," you are just in psychosis.

It doesn't make sense to me that Dr. Wala presented the most damning confession as a logical narrative that seemed to make sense. In addition, one of the things that struck me from reporting on the day that the phone calls to his wife and mother were played, was the impression that his voice was calm, and it was like he was just having a regular conversation with family. Of course, I haven't heard them, but that doesn't seem to fit with the testimony from today.

I picture her as the psychiatrist on The Sopranos.

 

[BUF]

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At 1:34 p.m. Judge Gull has entered court room and court is back in session. She says that the report from Wescott fits into “totem pole hearsay” and explains that unless the state can cite specific hearsay, she will admit it.

The jury is back in the court room at 1:37 p.m. Defense attorney Jennifer Auger calls Jamie Jones, Richard Allen’s half-sister.

Jones tells the jury that Allen “did not ever molest her or touch her inappropriately.” Auger asks her, “do you love your brother?” Jones responds “yes.” Auger asks, “would you lie for him?” Jones says no. Auger concludes her direct examination.

At 1:42 p.m. prosecutor James Luttrell begins his cross-examination. He asks Jones, “does the name Chris ring a bell?” Auger objects as they were discussing neighborhood kids while Allen and Jones were growing up. The notes do not indicate how the objection was ruled on.

At 1:43 The defense called Brittany Zapanta, Richard Allen’s daughter. Allen is reportedly nodding his head as she takes the stand. Zapanta tells the jury she moved out in 2015 for a job. She says she works in urgent care. She attended Ball State and then went to Indianapolis.


(I think they are starting to update this)

 

[al66pine]

DPD. Serious Mental Health Issue?

Dependent Personality Disorder​

Dependent personality disorder (DPD) is a type of anxious personality disorder. People with DPD often feel helpless, submissive and incapable of taking care of themselves. They may have trouble making simple decisions. The condition is treatable with psychotherapy (talk therapy). Medication may help as well.
Dependent Personality Disorder

Allen arrived at Westville Correctional Facility with depression and anxiety, Westcott said. He also has a dependent personality disorder, a mental health condition that involves an excessive need to be taken care of by others.
Neuropsychologist who tested Richard Allen says he did not fake psychotic behavior

Really? This is his serious mental health issue that made his incarceration so much more intolerable to the point of creating psychosis and 60 plus "false" confessions?

My spouse is excessively needy and apparently incapable of taking care of many of his own needs. I had no idea that was a personality disorder.

@tlcya Thanks for your post.

From post:
"People with DPD often feel helpless, submissive and incapable of taking care of themselves. They may have trouble making simple decisions."
Per link: Westcott said he has DPD, "a mental health condition that involves an excessive need to be taken care of by others."

Not trying to be a smart aleck, but would being in prison exacerbate DPD? Why?

I've often read that prisoners have difficulty because they feel like they have no autonomy, because in that environment, a prisoner does not decide when to wake up, go to sleep, eat, to go outside, what to eat or wear, etc.

Seems prisoners are faced w relatively few decisions re activities of daily living, so I'm puzzled about that aspect of his deteriorating mental health.

That said, I've not seen those videos of him in prison or the rest of Westcott's testimony, so just an initial, oversimplified reaction to the Westcott's opinion. imo moo jmo

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Right but as Prosecutors Podcast has noted for example, if you bring wild motions full of misrepresentations and lack evidence, then you can expect to get your motions dismissed. For all the wailing about the Franks, we now know many of the key contentions were false.

Similarly this can relate to trial strategy. For instance, saying a lot of things you know will get objected to, even though you know they will be sustained, because you want the jury to hear it.

There is no fundamental guideline these deicisons should be 50/50 - it depends on evidence, strength of your case, and strategy.

MOO

Do judges take an oath not to be biased?

 

[MassGuy]

Jones tells the jury that Allen “did not ever molest her or touch her inappropriately.” Auger asks her, “do you love your brother?” Jones responds “yes.” Auger asks, “would you lie for him?” Jones says no. Auger concludes her direct examination.

At 1:42 p.m. prosecutor James Luttrell begins his cross-examination. He asks Jones, “does the name Chris ring a bell?” Auger objects as they were discussing neighborhood kids while Allen and Jones were growing up. The notes do not indicate how the objection was ruled on.

At 1:43 The defense called Brittany Zapanta, Richard Allen’s daughter.

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[Gigiky]

Sounding like a pretty full day in court today. I try to keep up but then I have to go about my day.
I will catch up with Lawyer Lee tonight.

 

[minor4th]

I do not believe the defense psychiatrist-for-hire.

Why not? She performed 25 objective psychological tests that confirm her opinions. What is it you don’t believe and why?

 

[Diddian]

If they go too hard, they're going to look like real jerks to the Jury imo....

I agree with you about that. RA's wife and daughter are victims in this who very likely never expected they, or their loved one, would be in the role of defendant or defendant's witness in a trial for a crime such as this. Their lives have been turned inside out and upside down.

All RA's selfish doing. But the State has to be careful not to "pile on."

 

[Vern]

...
Alice also notes a potential extra slip in RA's confessions - that he refers to branches, which is also what is in the evidence, whereas the defence has promoted 'sticks' - i can't recall if that was covered here.
...

RSBM.

I don't recall anyone else noticing that tidbit of Branches vs. Sticks, but I certainly did.

I brought it up in the below post under the "line" comments. Glad that somene else noticied it too so now I know that it wasn't just me and my imagination!

Post in thread 'Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208'

Oct 31, 2024

Looks like I've missed a very busy and exciting day on this thread.

No way to really catch up over 40+ pages, so skimmed every 2nd page and I come away with this take:

Hook: (Just a piece that nagged at my brain and hit me today while I travelled to Fredericton)
Richard Allen's Interview on 26 October 2022:

Allen, again, says there is no way a round from his gun was anywhere near the girls or the bridge.

***Why bring "the bridge" up Rick? No one knew about the full audio contents from the video taken by the girls on 26...

• Vern

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[minor4th]

Jones tells the jury that Allen “did not ever molest her or touch her inappropriately.” Auger asks her, “do you love your brother?” Jones responds “yes.” Auger asks, “would you lie for him?” Jones says no. Auger concludes her direct examination.

At 1:42 p.m. prosecutor James Luttrell begins his cross-examination. He asks Jones, “does the name Chris ring a bell?” Auger objects as they were discussing neighborhood kids while Allen and Jones were growing up. The notes do not indicate how the objection was ruled on.

At 1:43 The defense called Brittany Zapanta, Richard Allen’s daughter.

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Interesting.

 

[minor4th]

Do we know if a neurologist had seen Ricky?

Yes, the defense witness is a forensic neurologist and psychiatrist I believe.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

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At 1:34 p.m. Judge Gull has entered court room and court is back in session. She says that the report from Wescott fits into “totem pole hearsay” and explains that unless the state can cite specific hearsay, she will admit it.

The jury is back in the court room at 1:37 p.m. Defense attorney Jennifer Auger calls Jamie Jones, Richard Allen’s half-sister.

Jones tells the jury that Allen “did not ever molest her or touch her inappropriately.” Auger asks her, “do you love your brother?” Jones responds “yes.” Auger asks, “would you lie for him?” Jones says no. Auger concludes her direct examination.


(I think they are starting to update this)

What the heck is “totem pole hearsay” supposed to mean?
And who started the rumor that RA molested his sister?
Sounds like an episode from a Jerry Springer show! IMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

I feel like I'm reading about two different Richard Allens.

The first is a high school football player who went on to complete studies in accounting. He joined the national guard, and in 2006 purchased a home with cash at the age of 33. He excelled in his career, moving to increasingly senior positions of management. At the age of 44 he was so confident that he could get away with murder that he abducted two teenage girls one afternoon and sliced their throats in a nearby ravine. He went on living his life, happily, confidently, and without issue. He continued to excel in his career.

The other Richard Allen, the one described in court by the defence witness, sounds like he can barely tie his shoelaces without his wife's instructions. He's too disorganized and dependent on others to be a candidate for an accounting degree or certificate, and stress (work or family related) causes psychosis.

Isn’t that defense’s contention? That he was quite normal, and being housed in prison pushed him into psychosis?

 

[steeltowngirl]

What the heck is “totem pole hearsay” supposed to mean?
And who started the rumor that RA molested his sister?
Sounds like an episode from a Jerry Springer show! IMO

RA started the rumor that he molested his sister.
He told Dr Wala.

 

[ClearAhead]

I think I know what alarms me about this photo of RA every time I open the wishtv page. Baldwin is portrayed to be intently focused, studious, deep in thoughtful preparation.

RA? Well he’s glaring, staring, exactly what TMS described that he does in the courtroom from time to time. An unpredictable expression, spaced out, ultimately creepy, here I am using the same word that’s been used numerous times to describe BG. Yes, that look is creepy. JMO and MOO

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[lisette]

What the heck is “totem pole hearsay” supposed to mean?
And who started the rumor that RA molested his sister?
Sounds like an episode from a Jerry Springer show! IMO

RA told Dr. Wala that he molested his sister. The rumor originated with him.

 

[Salah11]

RA started the rumor that he molested his sister.
He told Dr Wala.

Do we know at what age he claimed he did this as could be as simple as she doesn’t remember?

Moo

 

[steeltowngirl]

RA told Dr. Wala that he molested his sister. The rumor originated with him.

And now his daughter has to come to court and potentially address it. It’s an ugly situation.

 

[MassGuy]

At 1:43 The defense called Brittany Zapanta, Richard Allen’s daughter. Allen is reportedly nodding his head as she takes the stand. Zapanta tells the jury she moved out in 2015 for a job. She says she works in urgent care. She attended Ball State and then went to Indianapolis, she says.

Auger asks, “did your father molest you?” Zapanta says “no.” Auger asks “would you lie for him?” Zapanta says “no.” The defense finishes direct examination of her.

At 1:44 p.m. Luttrell begins his cross-examination. He asks Zapanta, “did you and your father go on the trail a lot?” and “Did you and your father go on the Monon High Bridge?” Auger objects to both questions.

Luttrell asks Zapanta if Allen changed his appearance after she left for Ball State. She says no.

He asks her another question about Allen’s height and weight. Auger objects. He shows Zapanta photos of Allen. Auger asks to approach the bench.

News 8’s Kyla Russell notes that Allen is smiling at Zapanta, but she does not make eye contact with him.

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[MrsWatson]

I feel like I'm reading about two different Richard Allens.

The first is a high school football player who went on to complete studies in accounting. He joined the national guard, and in 2006 purchased a home with cash at the age of 33. He excelled in his career, moving to increasingly senior positions of management. At the age of 44 he was so confident that he could get away with murder that he abducted two teenage girls one afternoon and sliced their throats in a nearby ravine. He went on living his life, happily, confidently, and without issue. He continued to excel in his career.

The other Richard Allen, the one described in court by the defence witness, sounds like he can barely tie his shoelaces without his wife's instructions. He's too disorganized and dependent on others to be a candidate for an accounting degree or certificate, and stress (work or family related) causes psychosis.

We've never been shown that he completed any sort of degree. He graduated high school and attended Ivy Tech Community College. Prior to working at CVS, he'd worked at Wal-Mart. Neither were any sort of accounting positions.

The video marks the first time jurors heard Allen's voice. At the beginning of the interview, the three men talked about Allen's background. He graduated from North Miami High School, where he played football and track and field, and attended Ivy Tech Community College, where he studied accounting. He also joined the Army and the National Guard.

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