Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

[Gerrymd8]

I can't remember but found this - not sure if it is an approved source

"Miller testified how Allen said he molested his sister and may even touched his daughter."

He also said something about a Kevin and a Chris.

Delphi murders suspect allegedly told psychologist he wanted to apologize to Abby, Libby's families

"I killed Abby and Libby. I am sorry." is what the suspect reportedly told a clinical psychologist while in jail.

abc11.com

Thanks so much!

 

[steeltowngirl]

Can someone verify this statement for me? I thought, during the trial, Richard Allen stated he THOUGHT he molested his sister and daughter. Did I dream this? or did he say this? Thanks to all!

You are correct, and I think that’s defense’s point. He also “thought” he killed Libby and Abby.

jmo

 

[minor4th]

similarly, you have discounted Dr. Wala's testimony and opinion about RA's mental state and his confessions it would seem.

I wonder if just one person on that jury has experienced a psychotic friend or family member? Because they, just as we, take their life experiences into account when parsing through the evidence offered from state and defense. MOO

I’m not discounting the person’s life experience. I’m just saying it tells us nothing about whether RA’s confessions were true or false. I don’t think anyone can conclusively say that RA’s confessions were reliable and accurate when he was experiencing delusions on those same days. They might be true, but they might be the result of delusions, and there’s no way for anyone to say for sure.

So what do you do with confessions that could either be true or false? You basically toss them out and look to the other evidence in the case.

 

[BexLuth0r]

This is SO important.

Forgive me for misunderstanding but do you mean important as in, he would be in a different vehicle if he'd gone to service his ATMs? However because he was in the van, it meant he would have gone straight home?

Honestly I could never be a juror... some things just don't click in my head

 

[KooshBall]

I'm surprised RA didn't have a reaction to his daughter saying she didn't love him. You would think that would have stung, but it does seem that ever since his arrest, he only worried about what his mom and wife thought. I thought it was weird that he never mentioned worrying about his daughter still loving him. MOO

 

[ClearAhead]

This has since been edited to she loves her father.

BBM

Richard Allen's sister and daughter say he never molested them, despite confession | Day 15 of Delphi murders trial

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

Defense's 14th witness, Brittney Zapanta, Richard Allen's daughter​

1:45 p.m. - The defense's 14th witness is Brittney Zapanta, Allen's daughter.
Defense attorney Jennifer Auger asked "Did your father ever molest you?"
Zapanta said no.
Auger asked "Do you love your father?"
Zapanta said yes.
Auger asked "Would you lie for him?"
Zapanta said no.
….

 

[cherrybier]

Sure. families are complex. BZ chose today to state she doesn’t love her father. It’s relevant, or the attorney would not have asked.
For some reason she said she didn’t love her father, who is accused of murder. It’s notable IMO.

I don't find it as relevant I guess.

If she said she loved him the guilty folk would be saying she's brainwashed. So it's a bit of a nothing burger for me. IMO.

If it's even true, there seems to be varying reports. Will wait for further clarification.

 

[cherrybier]

Forgive me for misunderstanding but do you mean important as in, he would be in a different vehicle if he'd gone to service his ATMs? However because he was in the van, it meant he would have gone straight home?

Honestly I could never be a juror... some things just don't click in my head

I took it as he's only in the van when he has a trailer attached. And there's been no mention of a trailer.

 

[NoeticSoul]

This has since been edited to she loves her father.

BBM

Richard Allen's sister and daughter say he never molested them, despite confession | Day 15 of Delphi murders trial

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

Defense's 14th witness, Brittney Zapanta, Richard Allen's daughter​

1:45 p.m. - The defense's 14th witness is Brittney Zapanta, Allen's daughter.
Defense attorney Jennifer Auger asked "Did your father ever molest you?"
Zapanta said no.
Auger asked "Do you love your father?"
Zapanta said yes.
Auger asked "Would you lie for him?"
Zapanta said no.
….

Well, that correction definitely makes more sense. imo

 

[minor4th]

I took it as he's only in the van when he has a trailer attached. And there's been no mention of a trailer.

I think he told the prosecutors that he dropped off a trailer on the way home.

But interesting that RA did not mention a van pulling a trailer in the so-called confession.

 

[Gerrymd8]

I am sorry if I offend the "Richard Allen is innocent" folks on here, but I have not heard one thing from the Defense that would have me believe he is not guilty. I mean, maybe they will come up with something but there is a lot of dancing going on by the D team. And I really have tried to be non-common sense-like in my thinking but it is really quite straightforward. He was there, he said he was there, dressed in BG looking clothes in time for 4 girls to describe a man (they said he was BG from the video regardless if one saw a blue jacket and another saw a black jacket) at 1:35-1:45pm'ish and RA said he saw 3 girls (at approximately the same time and described them). He parked at the CPS building. He went to the trail, looked at some fish on the bridge (where someone placed the guy from the video at exactly the same spot at exactly the same time he said he was). This person saw Abby and Libby approaching the bridge. RA did not see bridge guy. Although he would have had to pass him (and Abby and Libby) when he came off the bridge. RA said he went and sat on a bench. That is some kind of amazing disappearing act by BG. Only, there definitely was not enough time for RA to not to have seen this person. Because he was BG.

 

[ClearAhead]

Zapanta told the jury she moved out in 2015 for a job. In 2018, one year after the murders KA posted a photo of BZ to her Facebook page that featured BZ posed on the Monon High Bridge. When was the photo taken? I doubt in 2018 because by then BZ was already living on her own for approximately 3 years. I really want to know if that photo was taken by RA and WHEN.

The photo of Allen's daughter, 28-year-old Brittany, was posted to Facebook by his wife Kathy, 50, in 2018 - just over a year after the girls disappeared in February, 2017

Daughter of arrested Delphi Bridge suspect in SAME spot girls vanished

I thought it might be a graduation photo, her grad year was ??? Somebody here who was local once posted around that time that grad 12 grads often used the bridge for their photos. Quite a unique backdrop, makes a world of sense to me.

 

[shonyakay]

Baldwin handed him a transcript from an FBI interview Weber did in Feb. 2017. Weber tells the jury he went on a three-day trip to Arizona and got back the Sunday before the girls died.

Baldwin asks him about his ATM machine business. Weber says he makes money off them through surcharges, he doesn’t know how many he had in 2017. He says he had 30 at one point and has 15 now.

Weber tells the jury he attended to his ATM machines daily, says he checks how much money they have and gets money from the bank. He says he doesn’t know what bank he used in 2017, he thinks it was Regions Bank.

Weber says his ATMs are at gas stations, taverns, restaurants, etc. He said he used a black Subaru to drive to service his ATMs. He says he uses Regions Bank now, but not always the same branch. He says on the day of the murders he went straight home from his other job at the Subaru plant.
…
He says “only time I used my van was when I was pulling a trailer.”

Delphi Murders trial: Day 15 live blog

Follow Day 15 in the trial of Richard Allen, accused of murdering two girls in Delphi. Stay updated with our live blog for the latest developments.

www.wishtv.com

I think when the prosecution called BW in their case in chief, BW said that he dropped off a trailer after work and before heading home. But he seems to contradict that here. Did anyone ask BW where he dropped off the trailer or how much time that added to his drive home?

I’d also like to hear from the FBI agent who interviewed him because the defense seems very confident that BE told the FBI he stopped to service ATMs before driving home.

If you are up on the bridge, facing South, looking down the hill to the private drive, BW's house is to the left under the monon high bridge and his parents house is to the right.

My understanding is BW drove to the right to his parents home that day.

View of the Weber's private drive from the end of Monon High Bridge.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I find it curious that such a fragile man, having a history of psychotic episodes, being delusional, irrational, dependent, etc. remains incarcerated, is attending a trial for a couple weeks now, and we see no reports indicating any serious behavioral or mental health issues arising from the stressors I would imagine are fairly acute, said stressors resulting from a trial where one's freedom, and in a way, one's entire life, is on the line.

To me, it's quite astonishing, for RA to be capable of sitting through the testimony, day after day, and in particular, the graphic videos, of the murders, the murder scene, his behavior while incarcerated, I mean....is this man made of steel, or is he heavily sedated?

Would this not trigger some sort of reaction in a man so diagnosed? It's unbelievable to me how stable he suddenly appears to be, or at minimum, how there is such a lack of reporting that he's gone off the deep edge again as a result of all this....it's mindboggling.

My opinion.

My guess would be sedated.

 

[minor4th]

My guess would be sedated.

Likely.

 

[m00c0w]

Baldwin handed him a transcript from an FBI interview Weber did in Feb. 2017. Weber tells the jury he went on a three-day trip to Arizona and got back the Sunday before the girls died.

Baldwin asks him about his ATM machine business. Weber says he makes money off them through surcharges, he doesn’t know how many he had in 2017. He says he had 30 at one point and has 15 now.

Weber tells the jury he attended to his ATM machines daily, says he checks how much money they have and gets money from the bank. He says he doesn’t know what bank he used in 2017, he thinks it was Regions Bank.

Weber says his ATMs are at gas stations, taverns, restaurants, etc. He said he used a black Subaru to drive to service his ATMs. He says he uses Regions Bank now, but not always the same branch. He says on the day of the murders he went straight home from his other job at the Subaru plant.
…
He says “only time I used my van was when I was pulling a trailer.”

Delphi Murders trial: Day 15 live blog

Follow Day 15 in the trial of Richard Allen, accused of murdering two girls in Delphi. Stay updated with our live blog for the latest developments.

www.wishtv.com

I think when the prosecution called BW in their case in chief, BW said that he dropped off a trailer after work and before heading home. But he seems to contradict that here. Did anyone ask BW where he dropped off the trailer or how much time that added to his drive home?

I’d also like to hear from the FBI agent who interviewed him because the defense seems very confident that BE told the FBI he stopped to service ATMs before driving home.

The defense was trying to tell BW he dropped off the trailer earlier in the day on day 11… lol.

Upon cross-examination, things got heated between Weber and defense attorney Andrew Baldwin:
Baldwin: "You didn’t drive straight home from work on Feb. 13."
Weber: "That’s not correct."
Baldwin: "You told law enforcement on Feb. 17 or Feb. 18 you went and worked on your ATM machines."
Weber: "I said I dropped off a trailer."
Baldwin: "That was earlier in the day. You went and worked on your ATM machines."
Weber: "(Starts yelling) That’s not correct! No!"

'I just want to sign my confession' | Prison psychologist describes Richard Allen's alleged confessions | Day 11 of Delphi murders trial

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

 

[ClearAhead]

I think he told the prosecutors that he dropped off a trailer on the way home.

But interesting that RA did not mention a van pulling a trailer in the so-called confession.

If he dropped off the trailer on the way home, he wouldn’t still be pulling it when he got home.

But I thought we heard yesterday his cellphone placed him at home at 2:30pm?

 

[katydid23]

You’re having to jump through a lot of hoops to discount the psychiatrist’s expert opinions. Your anecdotal experience with a family member does not equate to a medical doctor who viewed recordings and watch logs from every day RA was incarcerated over several months.

Her expert opinion does not fit with my years of personal experience with someone with psychosis. I disagree with her conclusion. JMO

While it might be possible for someone in psychosis to regroup and become totally rational within the same day - we don’t know if that’s what happened or if he continued to be delusional. Hence, the confessions are not reliable because they occurred while RA had been actively psychotic. She’s not saying the confessions are true or fake - she’s saying there’s no way to know.

Of course she is saying there is no way to know---that is the narrative the defences needs.

Yet she also said that patients can tell the truth under these circumstances. So if the narrative the defense needed was that one of the other inmates confessed to the crime but had some psychotic episodes, she might have concluded 'it's possible he told the truth.'

Having followed a lot of murder trials, I have seen dueling psychiatrists. One side says one thing the other says the opposite. BOTH sides give their various MPI tests but somehow get different results.

Saw that in Jodi Arias case where the attorneys literally went step by step, question by question through one of the tests, to try to verify the results. It makes me very skeptical when each side can have such different test results.

Besides that both my father and brother were long time criminal defense attorneys and I worked in their law firm through my college years. I saw first hand how the experts are hired. I see them as often being hired guns. You know what conclusions they are going to come to. If they hired a Psychologist and she came to the conclusion that their client was malingering and was not psychotic, that expert would never be taking the stand for the defense.

I am not saying that is wrong or illegal---just saying it is how things seem to work. So I have no problem discounting an expert opinion, especially if it does not fit with my personal experiences of that same issue. I know 100% for certain, that my brother was capable of being truthful and coherent , even though he was also schizophrenic and had some delusional episodes.

 

[tlcya]

Weber testified on Wednesday that on February 13, 2017, he left work at Subaru and drove straight home. He said this would put him arriving home at around 2:30 p.m.

Allen told Dr. Wala in one of his confessions that it was a van that spooked him into killing the girls. Weber testified he was driving a white van the day the girls went missing.

During cross examination, Weber seemed to get nervous. The defense said in his 2017 interview with the police, he went to drop off a trailer. Weber said that he did that earlier in the day and continued to deny the defense's claims.
Delphi Double Murder Trial Day 11: Allen's former psychologist takes the stand

Weber told investigators that on Feb. 13, 2017, he left work and drove home. He said this would put him driving down 625 North and pulling into his driveway at around 2:30 p.m.

Allen told Dr. Wala in his confession that it was a van that spooked him into abandoning his plan to rape the girls and quickly kill them. Weber told jurors that on Feb. 13, 2017, he was driving a white van.

[snip]

During cross-examination, defense attorney Andrew Baldwin pressed on Weber’s timeline and claimed Weber didn’t go straight home after work and instead dropped off a trailer. Weber denied this multiple times in a contentious exchange between the pair.
https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delp...gitimacy-to-richard-allens-prison-confession/

 

[BexLuth0r]

I think he told the prosecutors that he dropped off a trailer on the way home.

But interesting that RA did not mention a van pulling a trailer in the so-called confession.

Thank you! So hard to keep track of what has been said in court and what is rumours etc. I guess you could argue that he may have just seen the van and made a run for it/moved the girls away quickly before spotting the trailer. But it definitely could add a pause to the van confession

Imo

Edit just seen the defence said about the trailer being dropped off earlier in the day... so based on the habits BW testified to having, he would only use his van if he was pulling a trailer, would not use his van when servicing atm machines and went straight home after work.