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I think I’d be confused if I was on the jury-
One of the talking lawyers mentioned that people were migrating to the defense side and leaving open seats on the prosecution side...take it as a grain of salt - could be anything since we aren't there.
wow, all excellent questions. So this also seems to validate that no report was prepared by this expert. Interesting - @Gremlin444 I believe you were right in your post on that topic on the previous page.Wow, I’d say this jury knows guns!
Delphi Murders trial: Day 16 live blog
Day 16 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.
Court is back in session at 11:31 a.m. There have been delays in getting the pool notes from Delphi today.
At 12:24 p.m., the jury began their questions of Warren:
The court is in recess and breaks for lunch at 12:42 p.m.
- How would CMS or objective testing be used? Pool notes do not show an answer.
- Would removing, cleaning, disassembling change individual characteristics of a firearm? Warren says, “no, only if there was some sort of damage.”
- Do you know if manufacturer keeps track of sub-class? Warren says, “no, they don’t.”
- Pool notes do not transcribe a question, but Warren says, “my role here was to educate attorneys on what documentation was and see if it supported the concession.”
- Would doing your own analysis have been more conclusive? Warren says, “hard to say.”
- Is CMS criteria the gold standard? Pool notes do not indicate an answer.
- Are you a certified firearm and tool mark examiner? No answer in pool notes.
- Would individual markings be different depending on who cycles? Warren says, “documentation of Oberg does not support conclusion.”
- Did you look at the sub-class marks of the cartridge? Pool notes do not show an answer.
- What is the relevance of cartridges having similar sub-class characteristics? Warren says, “Depends on if it is from manufacturing or cycling.”
- Are sequential serial numbers made in the same lot? Warren says, “generally accepted that close serial numbers have parts made at similar times, but may be in different lots.”
- Are you aware that Oberg’s conclusion was unfired by another expert? Warren says yes.
- Are you aware Allen’s gun’s ejector was recessed and had similar markings to markings made on the cartridge? Pool notes do not indicate an answer.
- Is it normal practice to not issue a report when consulting? Warren says yes.
- Wha are the chances that the cartridge at the scene matches the test bullets? Warren says, “higher likelihood of guns just in Indiana.”
This is priceless!
I think if they had done that, LE would not have found their phone. MOO.
Wow, sometimes it seems like this jury is asking tougher questions of the witnesses than the attorneys have been!Jury questions:
12:24 p.m., the jury began their questions of Warren:
The court is in recess and breaks for lunch at 12:42 p.m.
- How would CMS or objective testing be used? Pool notes do not show an answer.
- Would removing, cleaning, disassembling change individual characteristics of a firearm? Warren says, “no, only if there was some sort of damage.”
- Do you know if manufacturer keeps track of sub-class? Warren says, “no, they don’t.”
- Pool notes do not transcribe a question, but Warren says, “my role here was to educate attorneys on what documentation was and see if it supported the concession.”
- Would doing your own analysis have been more conclusive? Warren says, “hard to say.”
- Is CMS criteria the gold standard? Pool notes do not indicate an answer.
- Are you a certified firearm and tool mark examiner? No answer in pool notes.
- Would individual markings be different depending on who cycles? Warren says, “documentation of Oberg does not support conclusion.”
- Did you look at the sub-class marks of the cartridge? Pool notes do not show an answer.
- What is the relevance of cartridges having similar sub-class characteristics? Warren says, “Depends on if it is from manufacturing or cycling.”
- Are sequential serial numbers made in the same lot? Warren says, “generally accepted that close serial numbers have parts made at similar times, but may be in different lots.”
- Are you aware that Oberg’s conclusion was unfired by another expert? Warren says yes.
- Are you aware Allen’s gun’s ejector was recessed and had similar markings to markings made on the cartridge? Pool notes do not indicate an answer.
- Is it normal practice to not issue a report when consulting? Warren says yes.
- Wha are the chances that the cartridge at the scene matches the test bullets? Warren says, “higher likelihood of guns just in Indiana.”
Delphi Murders trial: Day 16 live blog
Day 16 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.
ITA and they get to ask whatever they want!
Yes, Kelsi was questioned by LE multiple times about everything about the day the girls went missing, including people and vehicles she saw at drop off. If the girls handed over their phone, I would imagine there could have been DNA or fingerprints, unless he wiped it off. But more likely, he’d have just kept it. He didn’t, it was found at the crime scene.
I have to wonder if it’s just one or two jury members who are well educated on guns and might be driving these questions and might have some sway on other jurors who know nothing about gun stuff.
I chuckled cause he considers himself a "tool".
