Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

[arielilane]

New details about Libby's phone and the impact of isolation: What defense revealed to jurors

Jurors in the trial of Richard Allen heard from a parade of experts whose testimonies are meant to challenge some of the state's strongest evidence.

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Updated 7:47 p.m. ET Nov. 5, 2024

 

[Boxer]

I think people are incorrectly jumping to the word "DAMAGE" when it comes to water and the phone.

Water or dirt can be in the headphone port and complete the circuit, making the phone think something was plugged in--that is caused by the water or debris completing the circuit NOT damaging it.

Hours go by...the water moisture evaporates or water droplet/dirt particle shifts because it was just dangling in there....circuit is no longer complete, phone thinks something was unplugged from the jack.

A phone can have water in a port without it being damaged or registering as damaged by the phone--but it can be just enough to complete a circuit in the headphone jack.

Thank you.
And it doesnt take an expert to know that, this true all ports and plugs.

 

[Arkay]

Apologies in advance.

Between the November summer day here in NYC, and once at home following election reports, I’ve had to skim too much to catch up thoroughly.

I am not completely grasping this “news” about Libby’s phone and a headphone jack possibly being utilized.

At first I figured it was simple enough to have Kelsi recalled to tell the court whether or not the girls had that with them when she dropped them off.

As I read further I see that it was alleged by the defense that the supposed jack was inserted at 10 PM, well after the girls were viciously murdered, so the Kelsi part is moot now.

As a longtime iPhone user, I have to agree that moisture clogging the phone ( I think it was @Warwick7 who suggested blood ) could complete the circuit.

Thankfully for me my phone’s never been been drenched in a pool of blood beneath my body, but it’s certainly gotten wet, stopped working, went haywire, and then fixed itself after apparently the circuitry dried up.

IIRC it’s such a well-known problem that people used to say to stick the phone aperture into dry rice?

Justice for you, Libby! Justice for you, Abby! Peace for your families!

Jmo

 

[Vern]

McLeland was quick to question Eldridge’s expertise, pointing out that she’s had no cell phone extraction training between 2009 – 2024. She’s also never testified about cell phone extractions until she did so in July for the first time.

Eldridge conceded that she didn’t have a chance to review all of Cecil’s data and cell phone findings. She agreed with the time stamps on the videos and photos and that the lost logged movement of the phone was at 2:32 p.m. – but did not agree that it meant it was the last time the phone moved.

She conceded she didn’t know the service in the area of Deer Creek and that it was possible the phone was just going in and out of service.

What a circus. How was she even qualified as an expert?

https://fox59.com/news/delphi-murders-expert-says-headphone-jack-inserted-into-libbys-phone-removed-in-dead-of-night/

So, yet anther Defence *expert* that is not actually an expert. Colour me surprised.

What on earth? If that is accurately reported, this is incredibly bad testimony and ripe for rebuttal from the prosecution.

JMO

Indeed!! It's even worse than you think too IMO based just upon some of the - what shall we call it? - "Shaded testimony" given in response to some of the juror's questions:

She answered No to the water question.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 16 live blog

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At 3:35 McLeland starts cross-examination again. Eldridge says that it takes “a little bit of movement” for a phone to start logging movements.

The jury asked the following questions:

1. Did you ever write your own timeline? Eldridge said “no, not enough time.”
2. Could any of this be related to Libby’s iPad? Eldridge says they were not synced.
3. Would water impact movement? Eldridge says no, that water would not impact the port.
4. Can you tell if the phone was on silent or vibrate? Eldridge says no.
5. Could you review Allen’s historical location timeline if he was using a “Ting” phone? She says she could if it was available.
6. Are there other apps that measure movement? She says yes, but did not look to see if Libby had them.

Court is in recess at 3:45 p.m.

Taking their questions and her answers from above. My points in red:

Q2: Could any of this be related to Libby’s iPad?
A: Eldridge says they were not synced.
This statement/answer is factually untrue; they were synched (Remember the officer tracking the phone numbers popping up on her ipad screen while she was still missing? The photo for the funeral? Couldn't get into the ipad though because it was locked??), I hope the Jurors remember ths testimony. :

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Three: The Crime Scene

We discuss the third day of Richard Allen's trial, which saw the jury view graphic crime scene pictures. Support The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/ Send tips to [email protected]. The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.

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Q3: Would water impact movement?
A: Eldridge says no, that water would not impact the port.
My 8 year old granddaughter is familiar with the old bag-o-rice remedy as I also suspect the Jurors are.

Q5: Could you review Allen’s historical location timeline if he was using a “Ting” phone?
A: She says she could if it was available.
Poor Ricky; this gal could have cleared you had you hoarded your 2017 phone like you did every other phone your household has owned.

Q6: Are there other apps that measure movement?
A: She says yes, but did not look to see if Libby had them.
Yeah, "because doing that may have given me an answer I wasn't paid to find".

 

[shonyakay]

According to today:

● Eldridge was not given time to review all of the information. (Red flag).

● Eldridge focused on the health app data, focusing on when the phone lost power at 4:33 a.m. on Feb. 14 and worked backwards to 10:50 a.m. on Feb. 13. (More to the phone than just the health app).

● Eldridge reviewed the video on the phone and agreed with the timestamp and location that state police found.
Eldridge agreed that the health app did not log any movement after 2:32 p.m. on Feb. 13.

● Eldridge had to agree there was no information that the phone was powered off overnight. It was in and out of service before 5:45 p.m. on Feb. 13, 2017.

● McLeland asked if Eldridge knew about the cell service at the scene on Feb. 13. Eldridge said, "No." (Red flag, seeing she is a FBI digital evidence instructor).

Thanks @Warwick7

"Eldridge agreed that the health app did not log any movement after 2:32 p.m. on Feb. 13."

During Defense's opening, Baldwin suggested that someone else kidnapped the teens and returned them early the next day to the scene where they were found dead.

So the defense's own witness just obliterated their assertions in opening.

You may say that just because the phone didn't move, doesn't mean the girls' didn't.
Well the jurors asked the question if the ground was disturbed under Abby (where the phone was found) and the answer was no.

How logical is it that the phone was left but the girls' were kidnapped, brought back to the discovery site in the middle of the night while people were looking for them, murdered there, and Abby's body just happened to land on Libby's phone?

The numerous coincidences are astronomical in this case if you are buying what the defense is selling.

Guilty Bard

 

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[jepop]

So, yet anther Defence *expert* that is not actually an expert. Colour me surprised.



Indeed!! It's even worse than you think too IMO based just upon some of the - what shall we call it? - "Shaded testimony" given in response to some of the juror's questions:



Taking their questions and her answers from above. My points in red:

Q2: Could any of this be related to Libby’s iPad?
A: Eldridge says they were not synced.
This statement/answer is factually untrue; they were synched (Remember the officer tracking the phone numbers popping up on her ipad screen while she was still missing? The photo for the funeral? Couldn't get into the ipad though because it was locked??), I hope the Jurors remember ths testimony. :

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Three: The Crime Scene

We discuss the third day of Richard Allen's trial, which saw the jury view graphic crime scene pictures. Support The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/ Send tips to [email protected]. The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.

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Q3: Would water impact movement?
A: Eldridge says no, that water would not impact the port.
My 8 year old granddaughter is familiar with the old bag-o-rice remedy as I also suspect the Jurors are.

Q5: Could you review Allen’s historical location timeline if he was using a “Ting” phone?
A: She says she could if it was available.
Poor Ricky; this gal could have cleared you had you hoarded your 2017 phone like you did every other phone your household has owned.

Q6: Are there other apps that measure movement?
A: She says yes, but did not look to see if Libby had them.
Yeah, "because doing that may have given me an answer I wasn't paid to find".

Incredible. Re your last hypothetical preferred answer; and from what I'm reading, was possibly paid up to 24k. To mislead a jury on a non-point IMO. Sad. Though also really sad that the pros was so I'll prepared that they didn't immediately succeed in laughing her out of court. Jmo

 

[Vern]

All iPhones have SIM cards. A SIM card is needed to connect to mobile services.

These days, many phones have esims (like mine - Samsung).

 

[KooshBall]

I have always wondered if the paid experts feel embarrassed when they end up not effectively helping the side that paid them a large amount of money.

 

[MiniMoo]

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Updated: Nov 5, 2024 / 02:20 PM EST

Blair returns to stand​

The 16th day of testimony began with Betsy Blair, a Feb. 13, 2017, witness who took the stand earlier in the case. Blair said she saw a car in the parking lot of the old CPS building that had been backed into its spot.

She described it as an older car that was angular in shape. She drew an outline of the car for law enforcement; the drawing was admitted as evidence.

Blair couldn’t recall the color of the vehicle, although a transcript from April 2019 indicated she told investigators it “could not have been black.” The state objected to the “improper use of a transcript,” which Gull sustained.

A black 2016 Ford Focus SE registered to Allen is at the center of the case.

Not black - the car.

This is the witness that saw the puffy or poofy haired man and two girls.

The strongest eye witness out of all of them.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[oviedo]

So, yet anther Defence *expert* that is not actually an expert. Colour me surprised.



Indeed!! It's even worse than you think too IMO based just upon some of the - what shall we call it? - "Shaded testimony" given in response to some of the juror's questions:



Taking their questions and her answers from above. My points in red:

Q2: Could any of this be related to Libby’s iPad?
A: Eldridge says they were not synced.
This statement/answer is factually untrue; they were synched (Remember the officer tracking the phone numbers popping up on her ipad screen while she was still missing? The photo for the funeral? Couldn't get into the ipad though because it was locked??), I hope the Jurors remember ths testimony. :

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Three: The Crime Scene

We discuss the third day of Richard Allen's trial, which saw the jury view graphic crime scene pictures. Support The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/ Send tips to [email protected]. The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.

art19.com

Q3: Would water impact movement?
A: Eldridge says no, that water would not impact the port.
My 8 year old granddaughter is familiar with the old bag-o-rice remedy as I also suspect the Jurors are.

Q5: Could you review Allen’s historical location timeline if he was using a “Ting” phone?
A: She says she could if it was available.
Poor Ricky; this gal could have cleared you had you hoarded your 2017 phone like you did every other phone your household has owned.

Q6: Are there other apps that measure movement?
A: She says yes, but did not look to see if Libby had them.
Yeah, "because doing that may have given me an answer I wasn't paid to find".

This may possibly rank as the worst defense plan/ strategy I’ve ever seen
JMO

 

[snooptroop88]

This may possibly rank as the worst defense plan/ strategy I’ve ever seen
JMO

YES!

I HEAR YOU!! So agreed!

 

[Vern]

I have always wondered if the paid experts feel embarrassed when they end up not effectively helping the side that paid them a large amount of money.

I'd wager that based upon the numbers of them that return their cheques after their bombshells turn out to be duds --- the answer to that is most likely a huge old, "NO".

Ka-ching! $$$

IMO only as I have no data on how many of them actually return their cheques, but hazarding a guess anyway.

 

[Megnut]

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Sixteen: The Bullet

We discuss the sixteenth day of Richard Allen's trial. We saw defense attorney Andrew Baldwin recall Betsy Blair and deputy prosecutor James Luttrell cross...

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

[Megnut]

Important correction from TMS:

It was NOT a juror who said, let him answer.

it was another defense attorney.

Per TMS

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Sixteen: The Bullet

We discuss the sixteenth day of Richard Allen's trial. We saw defense attorney Andrew Baldwin recall Betsy Blair and deputy prosecutor James Luttrell cross...

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

[Warwick7]

So, yet anther Defence *expert* that is not actually an expert. Colour me surprised.



Indeed!! It's even worse than you think too IMO based just upon some of the - what shall we call it? - "Shaded testimony" given in response to some of the juror's questions:



Taking their questions and her answers from above. My points in red:

Q2: Could any of this be related to Libby’s iPad?
A: Eldridge says they were not synced.
This statement/answer is factually untrue; they were synched (Remember the officer tracking the phone numbers popping up on her ipad screen while she was still missing? The photo for the funeral? Couldn't get into the ipad though because it was locked??), I hope the Jurors remember ths testimony. :

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Three: The Crime Scene

We discuss the third day of Richard Allen's trial, which saw the jury view graphic crime scene pictures. Support The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/ Send tips to [email protected]. The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.

art19.com

Q3: Would water impact movement?
A: Eldridge says no, that water would not impact the port.
My 8 year old granddaughter is familiar with the old bag-o-rice remedy as I also suspect the Jurors are.

Q5: Could you review Allen’s historical location timeline if he was using a “Ting” phone?
A: She says she could if it was available.
Poor Ricky; this gal could have cleared you had you hoarded your 2017 phone like you did every other phone your household has owned.

Q6: Are there other apps that measure movement?
A: She says yes, but did not look to see if Libby had them.
Yeah, "because doing that may have given me an answer I wasn't paid to find".

What an awesome post!!!!

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Talking amongst themselves? Talking to someone outside of the jury?

Geez, as long as they’re not talking about the trial…I mean what are they supposed to do, put tape over their mouths? Odd.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

She scolded the jury...
Wowzers!

:::::::::::::::::biting my tongue::::::::::::::

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I'm really struggling to see what his defense are trying to prove here?
All they need to do is get him out of the trails at the time the girls were walking towards the bridge.
Providing wild theories and very sketchy expert witnesses for things they really don't need to be getting involved with is madness.

I don’t think they have to prove anything, just raise doubt. IMO

 

[photographer4]

Talking amongst themselves? Talking to someone outside of the jury?

Are they not supposed to talk amongst themselves?