GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215

[getthefax]

Reward for Tip Leading to the ARREST?

@FromGermany1 Thx for the reminder.
Seems KS is a verrry likely candidate, maybe the only one.

ISP page "Seeking Information"* offering "a reward for information leading to the arrest of the person or persons responsible for the homicides" as announced by IN SP, FBI, & Carroll County Sheriff’s Dept, is still online, saying reward may exceed $200,000.
This is specifically for the arrest. Sometimes these types of rewards are offered only for homicide CONVICTION & are explicitly not payable to LE employees or certain others (like below, if there is collusion or criminal involvement).

Originally KS was an unpaid volunteer IIRC; did she become a sheriff dept employee at some point?

Post is not meant to suggest that KS should not get all or some of the reward. I wonder if someone else who provided info - info which may not have surfaced at trial - may try to elbow her out of it.

The reward offer still being online after RA's arrest, suggests that the entire $$$ has not been paid yet. imo, icbwrong.

______________________________
* Excerpt.
"Information can be reported anonymously; however, the Indiana State Police, the FBI, and the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department have announced a reward for information leading to the arrest of the person or persons responsible for the homicides of Liberty German and Abigail Williams. The amount of the reward may be in excess of $200,000 depending upon the value of the information provided.

"Law enforcement authorities reserve the right to reject a claim for reward where there has been collusion or criminal involvement. The reward may be apportioned between various persons and/or paid for the arrest of the responsible person(s), as the circumstances fairly dictate."

"The Indiana State Police Alliance (ISPA) has established an account for individuals or businesses wishing to donate to the Delphi Reward Fund. Checks should be made payable to the Indiana State Police Alliance Foundation. “Delphi Reward” should be entered on the memo line. Donations can be mailed to:...."

Delphi Homicide Investigation

www.in.gov

I don’t think finding the tip sheet is the same as providing information, since the police already had that information. Ironically, RA himself provided the tip (!!!), but… it doesn’t count if you’re the tipster on yourself.

I sincerely doubt KS is gunning for, or will expect, a reward. Do we have any information at all that indicates she’s expecting to be paid out for locating existing tip info?

 

[shonyakay]

That’s what I think ie. Libby tried to make a run for it. And, thus made RA furious.

My opinion is one girl began screaming first. Maybe Libby screamed if she heard her dad calling for her.
What is the quickest way to silence someone's scream? A slash to the throat? RA may have slashed Libby once or twice causing Abby to scream. Then he slashed Abby. If Abby continued to scream after her throat was slashed then this might be why RA straddled Abby pinning her arms to her chest and covering her mouth with his forearm causing the faint marks to her mouth and chin.
Libby has staggered to get away. RA gets off of Abby after she loses consciousness and goes after Libby again by the tree slashing her a few more times with such force she falls to the ground bleeding over her thigh. Libby loses a great deal of blood by this tree.

Imo.

 

[Ravenmoon]

Come on @Salah11 hang in there, the State has got this. The jury is doing their due diligence, but I still firmly believe it will be a Guilty verdict.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

MOO

I agree.
We have heard that this jury has had thoughtful, intelligent questions.

Perhaps the jury foreman decided that they should base their discussion on the timeline or on the way that the testimony was laid out.

It's best that they take their time and be certain that they can live with the verdict.

I remain hopeful and focused on a guilty verdict sometime this week.

AJMO

 

[Inthedetails]

It's not uncommon for their to be mistakes during an investigation especially with tens of thousands of tips and lasting years. I think if RA's tip had been found fairly soon after and his arrest happened then, LE would have been accused of a rush to judgement at trial. MO

I agree. And there are likely other files out-of-order in the whole mix. This case was unlucky because THE key piece was mislabeled. Errors aren't good, but they do happen. When discovered, almost all errors can be corrected.

jmo

 

[sunshineray]

Ego

Unnecessary interference starting with later disgraced FBI man in charge J Abbott and last straw being Click sending that already investigated and vetted FBI generated Odinist report to the Prosecutor and it enabling the whole fan fiction circus that started with the first FM filing. JMO

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I really don’t understand the jury not getting to review testimony transcripts- I don’t think I’ve seen that before- is there a rationale or reason in this case? Can someone point me in a direction as to why that’s a good idea? Sorry if it’s been discussed- TIA

 

[Warwick7]

It’s weird to me they would include that. Why didn’t they start once the kids were at the trails??? Moo

Libby's steps were from her home to her sisters car. Then there were no steps. Then it looks like Libby had her phone plugged into her sister's car. (I wonder what her battery level was at?)

Then she unplugged her phone from her sister's car at 1:48 p.m. and then Kelsi drove past Hoosier Harvest store at 1:49pm

The girls started walking again once they left her sister's car. M00

 

[MassGuy]

Am wondering how the perpetrator who would have likely held a sharp weapon in one hand and a gun in the other controlled Abby while frantically slashing Libby in a frenzy to unalive her. Also, he would had to have to pulled Libby's head back holding that knife and gun.

No scream was heard from either girl and sound carries really well on that trail.

Let's say the perpetrator decided to target Abby first.

With Abby, her body was clean with minimal blood, no defense wounds or blunt trauma to the head and one gash to the side of her neck.

So, how then did he control Libby?

Even if she chose not to run she could still have screamed as soon as Abby was the focus point.

Most importantly, how is it Libby had no blood up her arms or down her legs nor down the front of her if she stepped in her own blood, sat down and lent on a tree for support. Other than her hands, most of the blood found on her is shown to go upward from the neck area through her scalp, hair and head - this actually defies the law of gravity.

JMO MOO JMT

He didn't have to hold two weapons at once; not at all. One scenario is he sticks his gun back in his pocket and quickly slashes Libby, slashes Abby, then finishes Libby off as she's attempting to escape. This would have taken seconds. You can really go with multiple scenarios here, and they all work.

No scream being heard doesn't add a perpetrator to the mix, and it's entirely possible there was a scream and no one was there to hear it.

Nothing "defies the law of gravity," as someone was clearly able to generate these wounds and blood patterns.

 

[Heaven Leigh]

I'm aware Abby had on Libbys clothes and I thought I heard Abbys were wet..were Libbys as well?

 

[INfisherman]

Having been on a jury, as an alternate, unless you've been on a jury for a horrific crime (mine was an assault on a child by a non relative) you don't understand how close they get. I wasn't being disrespectful I was speaking from experience about protecting one another and making a plan for all their safety. I would if I was in this case, and I can definitely see the jury I was on making sure one girl in particular was protected. Thankfully ours wasn't a popular case with media attention but there were definitely people on the jury "The Moms" would have had conversations with during deliberation. Just my 2 cents as a juror.

Edit: I agree my first post was not worded correctly, I was more so hinting at avoiding the media or only talking about specific things like we voted guilty, no comment. I should have been more clear.

I’ve not read much in MSM concerning where the jury is lodged. If that info were known, I’d expect MSM or content creators would have already tried to question them or expose their identities. With that being said, I would not be surprised if they are shuttled back to wherever they’re staying just like any other day after trial ends & LE assists in keeping prying eyes at bay until they are on their way home.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

I'm aware Abby had on Libbys clothes and I thought I heard Abbys were wet..were Libbys as well?

Libby's pants, which Abby was wearing, were wet up to the knees.

 

[fred&edna]

Transcripts Available to Jurors?

@fred&edna
In Judge Gull's "Preliminary Instructions" re note taking by the jurors, she also advised --- transcripts of witness testimony will NOT be available to them during their deliberations (I think that's virtually verbatim).

Juror note taking & ref to transcript unavailibility, on p 10 of 13.
https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/24/Jury-instructions-1.pdf

In other trials, "how frequently?" IDK.

Thanks to @al66pine and everyone who answered my question related to transcript availability.
I thought I remembered a case (a few years ago) where jurors did have the trial transcript during deliberations but I'm likely remembering incorrectly.

jmo

 

[adot0902]

I’ve not read much in MSM concerning where the jury is lodged. If that info were known, I’d expect MSM or content creators would have already tried to question them or expose their identities. With that being said, I would not be surprised if they are shuttled back to wherever they’re staying just like any other day after trial ends & LE assists in keeping prying eyes at bay until they are on their way home.

JMO

Its a HUGE no no for MSM or anyone to do anything to try to get to the jury before the verdict. I can't imagine MSM would even consider it, now these slimy YT content creators, probably they seem to be loose with morals and ethics who knows, which is why I feel that maybe it is taking so long so they can figure out what the hell to do. They are literally about to be fed to the wolves after the verdict, nothing is protecting them.

 

[Rosydecember]

What are the chances of one of them possibly fainting/passing out? Fight or flight response triggered. Or could one of them have been catatonic from the events? This is in no way, shape or form victim blaming. No one can predict how someone, especially a young female’s, body would respond to mental trauma. Just thinking of ideas that may have resulted in no screaming/the apparent ease of killing two beautiful young ladies.

 

[Salah11]

What are the chances of one of them possibly fainting/passing out? Fight or flight response triggered. Or could one of them have been catatonic from the events? This is in no way, shape or form victim blaming. No one can predict how someone, especially a young female’s, body would respond to mental trauma. Just thinking of ideas that may have resulted in no screaming/the apparent ease of killing two beautiful young ladies.

He had a gun which was used to get them to obey.

 

[pisceswhisperer]

What are the chances of one of them possibly fainting/passing out? Fight or flight response triggered. Or could one of them have been catatonic from the events? This is in no way, shape or form victim blaming. No one can predict how someone, especially a young female’s, body would respond to mental trauma. Just thinking of ideas that may have resulted in no screaming/the apparent ease of killing two beautiful young ladies.

Highly likely imo but my bias in this is that I personally am one that will faint at the slightest unexpected pain. I swallowed a drink of water too hard a couple weeks ago and down I went.

 

[Arkay]

In my opinion….

There’s been so much talk for some time as to whether or not either or both girls screamed, did one try to run, did they stick together, etc.

I’m an adult who’s never been murdered.

I cannot begin to know how I would react under the same circumstances. Would I scream? Could I physically still be able to scream? Would I run? Would I stay with my friend to share her fate?

Would I freeze in fear and confusion?

Would my instinct for flight or fight be derailed by the perpetrator waving around a gun?

Would I cry out of panic and helplessness and pain, as did Libby?

My thought is that the girls were petrified. Whatever they did or didn’t do, whatever they may have tried to do but were stymied by the murderer, I cannot know and most certainly cannot judge.

JMO

 

[getthefax]

I mean no disrespect to the Jury at ALL. I wonder if they are gathering information and want to be prepared as possible to speak to the media. I imagine they will be hounded relentlessly, maybe they are also making media plans with each other, I again am not saying they are trying to profit or anything, just maybe making plans to all go to a remote cabin, or deciding what they will or will not be speaking about.

They do not owe anyone an explanation, and I hope they keep their mouths shut.

Last thing I’d want to do after spending a month listening to a creepy, horrendous trial about the sexual assault and murder of two children, and then be locked in a room day in and day out with others deliberating—all the while with no phone and no contact with the outside, would be to go hang out for even more time in a remote cabin with all the other jurors. I’d talk to no reporter and tell anyone else bugging me about the verdict where to get off.

Jury intimidation is a crime. Leave these people alone.

 

[MiniMoo]

He didn't have to hold two weapons at once; not at all. One scenario is he sticks his gun back in his pocket and quickly slashes Libby, slashes Abby, then finishes Libby off as she's attempting to escape. This would have taken seconds. You can really go with multiple scenarios here, and they all work.

No scream being heard doesn't add a perpetrator to the mix, and it's entirely possible there was a scream and no one was there to hear it.

Nothing "defies the law of gravity," as someone was clearly able to generate these wounds and blood patterns.

It does defy the law of gravity because blood doesn't flow upwards like that at all unless a person is upside down, doing a handstand or angled in some way for it to saturate the head area like that.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[joe jones]

No they didn't pull it from thin air, but those people were ruled out. The reason it would be a conspiracy now is because the idea they are in fact involved and the "real killers" would mean that LE just disregarded knowing they are connected and then pursued RA in order to let these Odinist go. That is where a conspiracy comes in. It isn't the fact that this was an angle that LE looked into at the beginning of this investigation. They looked into MANY people and theories. Those were ruled out and they moved on. Now the defense claiming that those people really did it and LE covered it up along with prison guards, prosecutors, the judge, etc. THAT would take a conspiracy.

IMO

Ruled out by LE, that doesn't mean that the defence didn't find other evidence that they think could show others were the murderer/s, they just were refused by the judge to question them under oath at trial,
I found it very odd that no FBI agents were called during trial, defence wasn't allowed to zoom there FBI witness, but state never called any