GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215

[getthefax]

Here is a thread on WS on his crime scene animations:

Crime Scene Animation by Websleuths Member grayhuze

Thx for posting this one—I foolishly only linked to one of the animations for this case.

 

[gremlin444]

Might be a bit difficult when medicated to express anything.

What was it - Prozac.




Link: Emotional Blunting

JMO MOO JMT

Many many years of Prozac experience in this household with many members, at all doses.

Emotional blunting is not removal of all emotions. It's a dampening down of the extremes. And a dampening of how you feel doesn't prevent you from making a conscious effort to express emotions. And he has been displaying emotions in the courtroom--shaking his head fiercly at LE testimony, smiling at his family and attorneys and happy over his coffee.

 

[Warwick7]

Many many years of Prozac experience in this household with many members, at all doses.

Emotional blunting is not removal of all emotions. It's a dampening down of the extremes. And a dampening of how you feel doesn't prevent you from making a conscious effort to express emotions. And he has been displaying emotions in the courtroom--shaking his head fiercly at LE testimony, smiling at his family and attorneys and happy over his coffee.

Thank you for this insight.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I'm curious about the statistics or even confirmed numbers of wrongful convictions in the USA and worldwide.

How many have claimed they were innocent and yet were wrongfully convicted.

I wonder.

JMO MOO JMT

I don't think this applies to worldwide, but might answer part of your question.

Indiana Law supporting newly established Indiana Innocence Project – Maurer School of Law

blogs.iu.edu

 

[MiniMoo]

I don't think this applies to worldwide, but might answer part of your question.

Indiana Law supporting newly established Indiana Innocence Project – Maurer School of Law

blogs.iu.edu

That was an interesting read!

There is this quote, I believe, that Martin Luther King Jr said that would apply to the situation rather well.

But I do digress...

Just over 10 hours until the deliberations start again...

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Peppery]

That was an interesting read!

There is this quote, I believe, that Martin Luther King Jr said that would apply to the situation rather well.

But I do digress...

Just over 10 hours until the deliberations start again...

JMO MOO JMT

Closer to 11 hours if they start at 9am

 

[Willow Knight]

He does have an alibi. Per RA, he was at the crime scene.

And to prove it, he saw the white van!

MOO

 

[photographer4]

That was an interesting read!

There is this quote, I believe, that Martin Luther King Jr said that would apply to the situation rather well.

But I do digress...

Just over 10 hours until the deliberations start again...

JMO MOO JMT

I bet they are very over it by now and just want to come to some sort of resolution. Moo.

 

[Warwick7]

And to prove it, he saw the white van!

MOO

And....just happen to ware the exact same clothes as BG.

M00

 

[Boxer]

If there's little evidence to convict RA (as some say), what evidence is there that someone or some ones commit these crimes?

Somebody else that RA didn't see, dressed like him, arriving and leaving at the same time? Driving a black car with identifying rims? With a propensity for chambering a cartridge and leaving one behind? With access to a bladed tool that would leave injuries hard to identify?

[I recall, when a document came out with redactions, trying to determine the word that followed bladed iirc. Too short to be knife. I don't recall now if anyone then guessed tool, but it sure fits with an unknown item which in turns fits with a boxcutter.]

DNA would be great. But it's not just RA's DNA that wasn't there, there wasn't any foreign DNA (just the hair that belonged to a female relative of Libby's and 3 of 72 hairs, without root, inconsistent with Abby and Libby, but not likely to yield helpful results -- we don't even know from where those hairs were recovered which may have had bearing on their investigative value). In any event, there just wasn't a ton of forensic evidence linking RA, but seeing as LE had five years to exhaust other avenues, I daresay there was even less to link anyone besides RA to the crime, try as though LE did.

And speculation isn't enough. Hence, the judge's rulings.

Besides, there is a walllllll of evidence implicating RA, despite no DNA, despite evidence lost to time.

The absence of his phone at a time he said he was using it. His self report. The timing. The gun. The bullet. The explanation for why there wasn't evidence of DNA-heavy SA, the outfit. The familiarity with and collecting of boxcutters.

Plus evidence as supplied by witnesses. The juveniles, BB, SC, AW, LG.

RA had the means, the method and the motive -- and he put himself there. Yes, we wish for more evidence always, but LE couldn't ignore the evidence they did have. And with it, they couldn't put anyone else ON the bridge and they couldn't get RA off of it.

The right man is being tried.

JMO

Agree.

 

[sunshineray]

Yes, most people do trust in their abilities, until they give them reason not to. IMO

Unlike many, I see no conspiracy to railroad an innocent man. I see a man proven guilty BARD who has freely admitted his guilt. I believe him.MO

 

[INfisherman]

I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m ready for some different topics in this trial to discuss. It got very weird in here not too long ago this evening & it seems like now there’s an uncomfortable silence. Hopefully tomorrow will bring some normalcy or even better a bit of closure. I’m pretty glad I’m not sitting up in a hotel in or near Delphi right now.

 

[photographer4]

I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m ready for some different topics in this trial to discuss. It got very weird in here not too long ago this evening & it seems like now there’s an uncomfortable silence. Hopefully tomorrow will bring some normalcy or even better a bit of closure. I’m pretty glad I’m not sitting up in a hotel in or near Delphi right now.

What was weird???

 

[Warwick7]

"Earlier in the trial, Holeman testified Allen told him, "It's already over" as police were searching his home while executing a search warrant.
Allen replied, "The damage was done. You already interviewed my neighbors and co-workers. They all think I am guilty."

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 8 | Lead investigator on interrogation; Defense says Allen was never read his rights

Richard Allen denied any involvement during police interrogation says lead investigator in trial's eighth day.

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[Warwick7]

I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m ready for some different topics in this trial to discuss. It got very weird in here not too long ago this evening & it seems like now there’s an uncomfortable silence. Hopefully tomorrow will bring some normalcy or even better a bit of closure. I’m pretty glad I’m not sitting up in a hotel in or near Delphi right now.

Exactly! The uncomfortable silence needs to be overcome. Liiby and Abby need us.
:0)

 

[Warwick7]

Unlike many, I see no conspiracy to railroad an innocent man. I see a man proven guilty BARD who has freely admitted his guilt. I believe him.MO

Yes.
I believe him when he says he was there.
I believe him when he says he says he was wearing the same clothes as BG.
I believe him when he says he was there from 1:30 to 3:30.
I believe him when he says he saw 3 girls.
I believe him when he says he he was on the MHBridge.
I believe him when he said he used a box cutter and disposed of it at his work.
I believe him when he says he confesses 60+ times.

 

[Recidivist]

Yes I am still patiently waiting for this so called evidence. I guess it’s like Odinism were they claim something but don’t have a single bit of evidence to back up their claims.

IMO

I think the judge disallowed the defense evidence to be presented at trial.

 

[sunshineray]

I think the judge disallowed the defense evidence to be presented at trial.

But in the 3 day pre-trial hearings it was testified to numerous times, there was none, no nexus was shown for the SODDIs. Speculation is not admissible evidence.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I'll repeat myself once again. I think RA is guilty.

The jury has been in the courtroom and has heard everything, and none of us have.

By all reports from people who have been in the courtroom, the jury has been paying close attention and asking intelligent questions.

Whatever their decision, I will respect it.

 

[susiQ]

But in the 3 day pre-trial hearings it was testified to numerous times, there was none, no nexus was shown for the SODDIs. Speculation is not admissible evidence.

JG’s ruling on “no nexus” will surely be challenged if RA is convicted. She has provided a laundry list of reasons for an appeal. MOO