GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[Boxer]

I don’t believe he committed a crime in the first place. Unless we are actually supposed to believe he took the photos without permission.

Chage who left the photos unsecured.

 

[Arkay]

Not every monster looks and behaves like one.

The book written as only Anne Rule could

I’ve thought this throughout, ever since RA was arrested.

IMO so many people just couldn’t believe RA was the culprit, because he didn’t adhere to the image we have of child murderers.

Yet we know that Ann Rule, a true crime writer, sat next to Ted Bundy when they were volunteers at a suicide hotline and never once did she get the vibe that he was a serial rapist and murderer.

Hence she afterward wrote The Stranger Beside Me.

Life would be safer if every murderer wore a billboard and flashing lights that said “ I WILL MURDER YOU,” but so many, as Richard Allen, hide those deadly inclinations behind their bland look. Or behind good looks and intelligence, as did Ted Bundy. (With the added twist that how can someone so “compassionate” as to volunteer at a suicide hotline actually be a sadist).

I’m so relieved the jury did not fall for RA’s disguise as an unassuming, mild-mannered Everyman.
JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

I’ve thought this throughout, ever since RA was arrested.

IMO so many people just couldn’t believe RA was the culprit, because he didn’t adhere to the image we have of child murderers.

Yet we know that Ann Rule, a true crime writer, sat next to Ted Bundy when they were volunteers at a suicide hotline and never once did she get the vibe that he was a serial rapist and murderer.

Hence she afterward wrote The Stranger Beside Me.

Life would be safer if every murderer wore a billboard and flashing lights that said “ I WILL MURDER YOU,” but so many, as Richard Allen, hide those deadly inclinations behind their bland look. Or behind good looks and intelligence, as did Ted Bundy. (With the added twist that how can someone so compassionate as to volunteer at a suicide hotline actually be a sadist).

I’m so relieved the jury did not fall for RA’s disguise as an unassuming, mild-mannered Everyman.
JMO

Most sociopaths don't come with cape and bloody fangs.

Most are not criminals, but are doctors, politicians, lawyers, community leaders, and CEOs, nurses, teachers, religious figures, and entrepreneurs.

Even the ones who are criminals can be charismatic, charming, intelligent, and socially connected.

It's all about how much they're interested in playing by the rules, and how much they care about adhering to the social and moral structure of society. The ones who have dark desires to rape and kill but are also able to pass in society are some of the most dangerous individuals in our world because they wear that mask of normalcy, so people are not on guard with them as they would be if someone were acting out in an erratic or violent way.

(I'd argue that Bundy's work for the hotline was all about feeling he had power over life and death for others, over vulnerable people, so exactly the same place he dug into when he killed.)

MOO

 

[Arkay]

(I'd argue that Bundy's work for the hotline was all about feeling he had power over life and death for others, over vulnerable people, so exactly the same place he dug into when he killed.)

Oh, I agree!

I should have amended it to “false” compassion.

I think, as do you, that he got off on the fear and pain and suffering of those who wished to die, but were conflicted enough to call for help.

Who knows how he may have steered them on their desperate phone calls?

Compassion was absent—-working there was a cloak to disguise himself and give himself a little thrill at their despair.

Not quite equivalent to Richard Allen, CVS guy, giving the photos for free to his victim’s family, but the same kind of cloak.

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Does anyone have a list of the juror's occupations?
I've only seen five.

 

[Han]

The only thing I’ve seen about the jury composition, from the video: a jury of five men and seven women found Richard Allen guilty on all counts. IMO a good balance between men and women.

 

[ClearAhead]

This ex-worker claims RA definitely had a bad temper, had temper tantrums over little things. She didn’t like working with him, found him too controlling.

While she worked with him @CVS Peru he was a “Store Manager in Training” hired from outside (Walmart?) She doesn’t know why he was later ‘demoted’ to Shift Supervisor or didn’t move on to become a Store Mgr somewhere else as intended. But she didn’t think his temper issues were a good fit for a job in retail.

 

[tlcya]

This ex-worker claims RA definitely had a bad temper, had temper tantrums over little things. She didn’t like working with him, found him too controlling.

While she worked with him @CVS Peru he was a “Store Manager in Training” hired from outside (Walmart?) She doesn’t know why he was later ‘demoted’ to Shift Supervisor or didn’t move on to become a Store Mgr somewhere else as intended. But she didn’t think his temper issues were a good fit for a job in retail.

wow, thanks for this, I'm very ready to hear from someone who knew RA outside of this case and before the murders.

 

[FrostedGlass]

The only thing I’ve seen about the jury composition, from the video: a jury of five men and seven women found Richard Allen guilty on all counts. IMO a good balance between men and women.

Thank you. I've only seen these mentioned and am curious about the others:
[snip]
The list of jurors includes a nurse, a school counselor, a stay-at-home mother, a transportation director and a seminary professor.

 

[Tortoise]

Thank you. I've only seen these mentioned and am curious about the others:
[snip]
The list of jurors includes a nurse, a school counselor, a stay-at-home mother, a transportation director and a seminary professor.

The juror with a background as a psychologist appeared “extremely interested.”

[...]

Of the jurors, Russell said one of the alternate jurors wore a sour look, while the school counselor appeared shocked.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 14 live blog

Follow the trial of Richard Allen, accused of the Delphi Murders, as it continues with videos of Allen from prison and testimony from witnesses.

www.wishtv.com

 

[Tortoise]

Two of the jurors have histories in law enforcement [...]

Delphi defense makes surprise claim during Day 2 of jury selection

Jury selection in the Delphi murders trial ends with a full jury and a claim that hair found in a victim's hand did not match Richard Allen's

www.wishtv.com

 

[FrostedGlass]

Two of the jurors have histories in law enforcement [...]

Delphi defense makes surprise claim during Day 2 of jury selection

Jury selection in the Delphi murders trial ends with a full jury and a claim that hair found in a victim's hand did not match Richard Allen's

www.wishtv.com

Thank you. That was what I was looking for.

 

[ClearAhead]

I hadn’t noticed this before, seems RA thought he’d play the insanity act more than 5 years after the murders that he committed and it’d prevent him from getting convicted. He should’ve confessed a lot sooner for that to have a better chance of success. JMO

Delphi murder trial top takeaways: What to know as Richard Allen awaits verdict

These are the top takeaways from the Delphi, Indiana, double murder trial.

abcnews.go.com

One corrections officer, Michael Clemons, testified for the prosecution that Allen told him, "I, Richard Matthew Allen, killed Abby and Libby by myself. No one helped me." Clemons said Allen would shout to other inmates, "I'm not crazy, I'm only acting like I'm crazy."

Another corrections officer, Michael Roberts, testified that on April 23, 2023, Allen said, "I killed Abby & Libby. My wife wasn't involved. I want to confess."

Days later, according to Roberts, Allen said, "Can I talk? Can you listen I killed Abby & Libby? How do I prove I'm insane?"

 

[Boxer]

Probably won't be a few brewski's and football games.
Does he have his own TV?

Is he transferred to prison?

 

[iamshadow21]

Is he transferred to prison?

I believe that happens after sentencing.

 

[Boxer]

I believe that happens after sentencing.

Thanks.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I believe that happens after sentencing.

Well, he skipped that step the first time he was sent to prison.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Is he transferred to prison?

After being sentenced to serve time in prison, felons in Indiana go to Reception Diagnostic Center in Hendricks Co. for evaluation to determine which prison they should be sent to.

With RA, they might decide he did so well in Westville that they just skip the RDC step and ship him back.

 

[iamshadow21]

After being sentenced to serve time in prison, felons in Indiana go to Reception Diagnostic Center in Hendricks Co. for evaluation to determine which prison they should be sent to.

With RA, they might decide he did so well in Westville that they just skip the RDC step and ship him back.

I sincerely doubt it. The role of the RDC is to assess an inmate's state of mind going into their sentence and determine best placement long term. His placement at Westville, though months long, was only ever temporary and his specific conditions then were very different to whatever he will have to adjust to after sentencing, even if he is placed at Westville again.

MOO

 

[FrostedGlass]

I sincerely doubt it. The role of the RDC is to assess an inmate's state of mind going into their sentence and determine best placement long term. His placement at Westville, though months long, was only ever temporary and his specific conditions then were very different to whatever he will have to adjust to after sentencing, even if he is placed at Westville again.

MOO

How do you think his conditions then will differ from now?