GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[iamshadow21]

How do you think his conditions then will differ from now?

Well, as someone mentioned further back on the threads, one of the main adjustments will probably be less access to his family. It will fall in line with whatever is the standard for violent offenders on the level he's classed at. I don't know what that will look like for him. Whether he'll be able to sit at a fixed table face to face in the same room, or whether they'll be sitting in a booth with Perspex between them. Phone calls and emails will probably be a thing, but I don't know if he'll have something handheld like that tablet for calls like he did before trial. It will really depend on where he's sent and what they class him as, but also on his own behaviour, what his life will look like post sentence.

MOO

 

[Warwick7]

Well, he skipped that step the first time he was sent to prison.

Well.....he would have never been there the first place if he'd never killed anybody.

 

[Seattle1]

Richard Allen self-reported after the BG pic was released and at the time the police didn't said where the pic came from, so it is possible Richard Allen would told it was him in the pic if they asked him but Dan Dulin didn't ask and Richard never told..

I believe ISP released the photo of "bridge guy" from Libby's phone to the public on Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 (see Nixle alert). I first saw it posted here on Feb 21, 2017-- see link below.

IMO, RA had not seen the photo of "bridge guy" when he called the tip line. While reports indicate the self report tip by RA had been referred to DNR's Dan Dulin on Feb 16, 2017, neither the PCA nor Dulin's testimony cite the date Dulin actually interviewed RA but I think it's safe to say this was before Sunday, Feb 19, 2017. MOO

After years of a seemingly cold investigation, despite Indiana State Police assurances the case was still active, on September 21, 2022, Kathy Shank, a volunteer who was tasked with scanning bankers boxes full of files in a central investigative data base, pulled open the drawer of a desk in a soon-to-be abandoned office and discovered a file that contained an initial tip sheet from February of 2017, just a couple days after the murders, in which a man listed as Rick Allen Whiteman called in to self-report that he was on the bridge that day if his name should come up or if investigators wanted to ask him questions.

On the tip sheet, someone had written the word, “Cleared.”

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Indiana Department of Natural Resources Officer Dan Dulin received the original Rick Allen Whiteman tip to follow up on on February 16, 2017, two days after the bodies were discovered and more than five years before the misfiled original report would be discovered.

Dulin testified that he interviewed Allen in the parking lot of a grocery store after unsuccessful attempts to meet him at his home or Delphi Police headquarters.

The conservation officer said Allen told him he was on the bridge trail between 1 and 3 p.m. on Feb. 13 but later revised that timeline to 1:30 to 3:30 p.m.

Dulin said he did not find any reason to not believe Allen’s story that he had parked his car near County Road 300 North, that he spotted three young women walking on the trail, that he was focused on his cellphone and reading a stock ticker during his walk to the bridge and, upon his arrival, watched fish in the water sixty feet below.

Allen showed Dulin the phone he was carrying, and the officer wrote down its model and other identifying information.
Fox59 - Dan Dulin

Ref PCA, page 8:

Post in thread 'IN - Abigail Williams & Liberty German, Delphi, Media, Maps, Timelines NO DISCUSSION'

Feb 21, 2017

Update Delphi Homicides: Man in Photo is Suspect

Carroll County- At approximately 12:15 p.m. on February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail J. Williams, 13, and Liberty Rose Lynn German, 14, both from Delphi, IN, were found in a wooded area near the Delphi Historic Trail, east of Delphi, IN, in Carroll County. The teens had been reported missing the previous day by family members. Their bodies were discovered by volunteers who were helping in an organized search for...

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[Deleted member 296739]

Per ISP the photo was released Feb 15, 2017

I believe ISP released the photo of "bridge guy" from Libby's phone to the public on Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 (see Nixle alert). I first saw it posted here on Feb 21, 2017-- see link below.

IMO, RA had not seen the photo of "bridge guy" when he called the tip line. While reports indicate the self report tip by RA had been referred to DNR's Dan Dulin on Feb 16, 2017, neither the PCA nor Dulin's testimony cite the date Dulin actually interviewed RA but I think it's safe to say this was before Sunday, Feb 19, 2017. MOO

After years of a seemingly cold investigation, despite Indiana State Police assurances the case was still active, on September 21, 2022, Kathy Shank, a volunteer who was tasked with scanning bankers boxes full of files in a central investigative data base, pulled open the drawer of a desk in a soon-to-be abandoned office and discovered a file that contained an initial tip sheet from February of 2017, just a couple days after the murders, in which a man listed as Rick Allen Whiteman called in to self-report that he was on the bridge that day if his name should come up or if investigators wanted to ask him questions.

On the tip sheet, someone had written the word, “Cleared.”

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Indiana Department of Natural Resources Officer Dan Dulin received the original Rick Allen Whiteman tip to follow up on on February 16, 2017, two days after the bodies were discovered and more than five years before the misfiled original report would be discovered.

Dulin testified that he interviewed Allen in the parking lot of a grocery store after unsuccessful attempts to meet him at his home or Delphi Police headquarters.

The conservation officer said Allen told him he was on the bridge trail between 1 and 3 p.m. on Feb. 13 but later revised that timeline to 1:30 to 3:30 p.m.

Dulin said he did not find any reason to not believe Allen’s story that he had parked his car near County Road 300 North, that he spotted three young women walking on the trail, that he was focused on his cellphone and reading a stock ticker during his walk to the bridge and, upon his arrival, watched fish in the water sixty feet below.

Allen showed Dulin the phone he was carrying, and the officer wrote down its model and other identifying information.
Fox59 - Dan Dulin

Ref PCA, page 8:
View attachment 545420

Post in thread 'IN - Abigail Williams & Liberty German, Delphi, Media, Maps, Timelines NO DISCUSSION'

Feb 21, 2017

Update Delphi Homicides: Man in Photo is Suspect

Carroll County- At approximately 12:15 p.m. on February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail J. Williams, 13, and Liberty Rose Lynn German, 14, both from Delphi, IN, were found in a wooded area near the Delphi Historic Trail, east of Delphi, IN, in Carroll County. The teens had been reported missing the previous day by family members. Their bodies were discovered by volunteers who were helping in an organized search for...

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Delphi Homicide Investigation

www.in.gov

On Wednesday, February 15th, law enforcement officers distributed a photograph of a person observed on the Delphi Historic Trail. The photograph appears to depict a white male wearing blue jeans, a blue coat/jacket, and a hoodie (from link)

 

[susane7]

I thought RA self-reported himself before he had seen the BG pic too but I think in the trial we found out the police released the BG pic in february 15 2017 saying they wanted to talk with that person but without saying it comes from a victim's cell phone and in the next day Richard Allen self-reported himself. I suspect if Dan Dulin had asked him "it is you in the pic?", Allen would had say "yes".

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I tought RA self-reported himself before he had seen the BG pic too but I think in the trial we found out the police released the BG pic in february 15 2017 saying they wanted to talk with that person but without saying it comes from a victim's cell phone and in the next day Richard Allen self-reported himself. I suspect if Dan Dulin had asked him "it is you in the pic?", Allen would had say "yes".

One would have hoped that DD might have at least asked “did you see this guy that we are looking for?”

moo

 

[k-mac]

One would have hoped that DD might have at least asked “did you see this guy that we are looking for?”

moo

It still blows my mind that DD filed this.
Like RA had reported eating a banana and a sandwich for lunch.

It still falls at his feet.
He should have been on a mega phone to the lead detective about this witness.

Incompetent beyond belief. I will never give him a pass for it.

moo

 

[Peppery]

Couldn't possibly agree more. He knew what that crime scene looked like, which should have instantly told him that this was sexually motivated, and not some personal thing. I don't think it would have mattered, as even now people tend to play it safe around there. They didn't need police to tell them that a violent killer was on the loose, and could strike again.

But it's the principle of the matter. This is precisely the type of crime that you should be warning the public about.

I live 800 miles away and I drew the wagon in on my kids for sure. My daughter is 2 years younger than Abby and the little freedoms I’d begun allowing her, like walking the quarter mile to school through our subdivision with 5 other kids, stopped immediately. Common sense tells you if a person could commit such a heinous crime once, he’s absolutely capable of doing it again.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

It still blows my mind that DD filed this.
Like RA had reported eating a banana and a sandwich for lunch.

It still falls at his feet.
He should have been on a mega phone to the lead detective about this witness.

Incompetent beyond belief. I will never give him a pass for it.

moo

I understand that DD followed up the lead sheet given to him and handed if of to PD detective- he was auxiliary support and follow up as I understand it (more in the wildlife officer bucket than beat cop) and whomever he handed it off to and whomever marked the lead as cleared and whomever are responsible for keeping the name mistakenly listed are possibly more culpable than DD - as I understand the chain of events- my own recollection- moo

 

[katydid23]

Don't think that statement can be that strong, LE found a number of phones and not the one from 2017, but don't think there was evidence it was every other phone ever owned.

He told them his wife recycled the phone---which makes sense---except if they were into recycling why did they have 20 other phones they never recycled?

 

[Vern]

I believe ISP released the photo of "bridge guy" from Libby's phone to the public on Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 (see Nixle alert). I first saw it posted here on Feb 21, 2017-- see link below.

IMO, RA had not seen the photo of "bridge guy" when he called the tip line. While reports indicate the self report tip by RA had been referred to DNR's Dan Dulin on Feb 16, 2017, neither the PCA nor Dulin's testimony cite the date Dulin actually interviewed RA but I think it's safe to say this was before Sunday, Feb 19, 2017. MOO

After years of a seemingly cold investigation, despite Indiana State Police assurances the case was still active, on September 21, 2022, Kathy Shank, a volunteer who was tasked with scanning bankers boxes full of files in a central investigative data base, pulled open the drawer of a desk in a soon-to-be abandoned office and discovered a file that contained an initial tip sheet from February of 2017, just a couple days after the murders, in which a man listed as Rick Allen Whiteman called in to self-report that he was on the bridge that day if his name should come up or if investigators wanted to ask him questions.

On the tip sheet, someone had written the word, “Cleared.”

[..]

Indiana Department of Natural Resources Officer Dan Dulin received the original Rick Allen Whiteman tip to follow up on on February 16, 2017, two days after the bodies were discovered and more than five years before the misfiled original report would be discovered.

Dulin testified that he interviewed Allen in the parking lot of a grocery store after unsuccessful attempts to meet him at his home or Delphi Police headquarters.

The conservation officer said Allen told him he was on the bridge trail between 1 and 3 p.m. on Feb. 13 but later revised that timeline to 1:30 to 3:30 p.m.

Dulin said he did not find any reason to not believe Allen’s story that he had parked his car near County Road 300 North, that he spotted three young women walking on the trail, that he was focused on his cellphone and reading a stock ticker during his walk to the bridge and, upon his arrival, watched fish in the water sixty feet below.

Allen showed Dulin the phone he was carrying, and the officer wrote down its model and other identifying information.
Fox59 - Dan Dulin

Ref PCA, page 8:
View attachment 545420

Post in thread 'IN - Abigail Williams & Liberty German, Delphi, Media, Maps, Timelines NO DISCUSSION'

Feb 21, 2017

Update Delphi Homicides: Man in Photo is Suspect

Carroll County- At approximately 12:15 p.m. on February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail J. Williams, 13, and Liberty Rose Lynn German, 14, both from Delphi, IN, were found in a wooded area near the Delphi Historic Trail, east of Delphi, IN, in Carroll County. The teens had been reported missing the previous day by family members. Their bodies were discovered by volunteers who were helping in an organized search for...

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15 February 2017

Thread #1, Post 452: The very first post on this site containing any reference to Bridge Guy along with the photo. This post came a mere 3 minutes after ISP issued the ALERT "Have You Seen This Guy" ...

Post in thread 'IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 13, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #1'

Feb 15, 2017

https://www.facebook.com/WRTV6/posts/10154526933569092



Sorry to post this screenshot. Also I am not sure how to do direct link. But three minutes ago saying some along the lines of do you know this man.

Obviously did not format right and might need some other source so mods please do as you will!

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[Spartygirl]

He told them his wife recycled the phone---which makes sense---except if they were into recycling why did they have 20 other phones they never recycled?

To quote an old talk show I used to watch--

"Things that make you go..... Hmmmmmmm"

 

[k-mac]

I understand that DD followed up the lead sheet given to him and handed if of to PD detective- he was auxiliary support and follow up as I understand it (more in the wildlife officer bucket than beat cop) and whomever he handed it off to and whomever marked the lead as cleared and whomever are responsible for keeping the name mistakenly listed are possibly more culpable than DD - as I understand the chain of events- my own recollection- moo

I appreciate your post.

However he was still LE. Chain of command might be where it all fell over. It still falls at the feet of the start line.
I can not accept that he could not have the authority and common sense to recognise this was epic and pick up the phone, better yet march into the office to the lead investigator himself.

This is only my opinion and I am not challenging anyone's knowledge of how the 'system' works.
its not working. Common sense should have applied here.

Follow up should have applied here. The 'system' failed. Which is why my point stands.

moo

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I appreciate your post.

However he was still LE. Chain of command might be where it all fell over. It still falls at the feet of the start line.
I can not accept that he could not have the authority and common sense to recognise this was epic and pick up the phone, better yet march into the office to the lead investigator himself.

This is only my opinion and I am not challenging anyone's knowledge of how the 'system' works.
its not working. Common sense should have applied here.

Follow up should have applied here. The 'system' failed. Which is why my point stands.

moo

Ok- maybe things are different in your state -my experience says that he might have done everything he could- and the lead still got buried- but my own opinion- we can agree to disagree

 

[Andreee]

Re. the two vastly different sketches that were released to the public during the course of the investigation. I havent been following the trial closely. But did we ever find out why the older and younger sketches were released and how they came about?

 

[Spartygirl]

Re. the two vastly different sketches that were released to the public during the course of the investigation. I havent been following the trial closely. But did we ever find out why the older and younger sketches were released and how they came about?

No
The sketches were not brought up in the trial.

 

[Han]

The “younger” one was from BB who saw RA on the 1st platform of the bridge. IMO the “older” sketch was from the woman who saw the muddy bloody man but I’m not sure. And I don’t know if the younger girls near
Freedom Bridge contributed in any way to the sketches. I’m not sure why I think I know this.

This is from Fox 59: McLeland argued that “the witnesses who assisted in the preparation of composite sketches of the Bridge Guy would testify that they did not see the person depicted in their sketch for a sufficient length of time to allow them to positively identify the defendant.”

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delp...rculated-composite-sketches-out-of-trial/amp/

 

[katydid23]

I always thought he didn't know the girls had the phone.
Hard to fathom they managed to keep it hidden from him.
Makes sense the shoe. Since it was found under Abby as well.
When we found out Libbys dad was ringing her, I wondered how it didn't highlight it to RA.
But I suspect Libby was a very normal teenager who always had her phone on silent.

(I think they do this so mom doesn't realise how much socials they doing!!!)

Therefore in this case protected and kept Libbys phone from alerting.


MOO

My kids always kept the ringer silent---they didn't need it to ring because they were always looking at the screen anyway...

 

[katydid23]

MW has a pending expungement for the crime scene photos charge. All the outrage he caused and soon his case will be gone with a click of a mouse. Life is so strange sometimes. MOO

10/30 is the file date for the cancelled compliance hearing
11/14 is the date of Order Issued for the expungement

CANCELED Compliance Hearing Reason: Other Session: 09/25/2024 1:30 PM, Rescheduled Session: 10/30/2024 1:30 PM, Cancelled Comment: PDP​

Order Issued Order pending expungement entered. KB Judicial Officer: Cummins, Douglas B. Order Signed: 10/30/2024​

Automated ENotice Issued to Parties Order Issued ---- 11/13/2024 : Lindsey Holden-Kay;Michael J Kyle​

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Because of this new trend of 'Restorative Justice'---all he had to do was get it lowered to a misdemeanour, take some rinky dink 'class' of some kind---kind of like traffic school but for other types of misdemeanours, and all was expunged.

That is how our justice system works these days. That's why we see perps have a really long arrest record but they are still out on the streets committing more crimes.

 

[Boxer]

I thought RA self-reported himself before he had seen the BG pic too but I think in the trial we found out the police released the BG pic in february 15 2017 saying they wanted to talk with that person but without saying it comes from a victim's cell phone and in the next day Richard Allen self-reported himself. I suspect if Dan Dulin had asked him "it is you in the pic?", Allen would had say "yes".

Right, they said it came from a trail cam at first.