GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[SouthEnd]

It’s a pretty good read - in its entirety, not just above. The closing just nailed it.

MOO

100% yes. I am always so grateful for local newspapers.

"Anna Williams, Abby’s mother, dropped her head in her hands; Abby was her only child." This broke me.

 

[ab01]

RSBM

Yes, that's exactly my point. If there are loads of us out here (in my opinion) who have a problem with the evidence not being admissible, I'd bet a lot of money the jurors will have a problem with it too once the learn about it. I feel badly for them.

As always, this is my opinion.

Opinions are opinions and Facts are Facts. I can't imagine a scenario where these Jurors won't believe that they were presented with Facts. Justice was served! Reminds me of the "Making a murderer" Free Steven Avery gang" Much like in that case nobody made the decision to murder except for Richard Allen. Which by the way I believe dramamentary programs like "making a murderer" have changed society and not for the good. There's no fantasy crooked Detectives out to get somebody etc. Just hard working good public servants out find the truth and justice for the families! Those people are the voices for victims that have been silenced and they take their oaths with extreme sense of duty and moral fortitude! JMO

 

[SouthEnd]

DBM duplicate post

 

[sunshineray]

Check out courtTV live comments.

It's just despicable

 

[TTF14]

opinions are opinions and Facts are Facts. I can't imagine a scenario where these Jurors won't believe that they were presented with Facts.

rsbm

Just not all the facts. They were presented with the evidence that inculpates him and weren't allowed to see evidence that exculpates him. If I was a juror and learned this after the fact, I'd be really upset.

As always, this is my opinion.

 

[ab01]

rsbm

Just not all the facts. They were presented with the evidence that inculpates him and weren't allowed to see evidence that exculpates him. If I was a juror and learned this after the fact, I'd be really upset.

As always, this is my opinion.

ok I'll bite, List me the "Facts" that would exonerate RA and point to his innocence.

 

[MassGuy]

That’s one cold fish:

Richard Allen showed no emotion whatsoever as the verdict was read. He later looked back at his wife & mother and said “Are you ok?” His family members cried, and his wife, Kathy, looked angry. After the verdict, Allen was led away in handcuffs with his hands behind his back.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856188187376292097

 

[Han]

Pardon me, I misspoke.Dbm

 

[IzzyBlanche]

If the jury was allowed to sentence defendants, they probably wouldn't be allowed to go home for the holidays first. JMO

It's not how they do it in Indiana: Trial Jury Process - 3 Steps | Southern District of Indiana | United States District Court.

As it always is, this is my opinion.

Your link is for federal court. Wasn't RA tried in state court?

 

[Warwick7]

Just a personal feeling that has no bearing on the laws... I hope the judge will determine the sentence only because I feel so bad for these jurors. (proud of them but still feel for them)

jmo

This so called human being put these jurors through he!!
The graphic and horrifying pictures they saw. The videos they had to watch...
I too, feel bad for these 15 people...

 

[Warwick7]

I bet it was an amazing feeling to hear the crowd roaring for joy after they announced it.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856194776963416376

 

[INfisherman]

ok I'll bite, List me the "Facts" that would exonerate RA and point to his innocence.

…..must be quite the long list. Did you bring something on which to sleep?

ETA JMO

 

[cherrybier]

I’m not sure why anyone would go by anything other than state law regarding the matter… would be kind of silly IMO to make guesses based off of literally nothing but speculation and hopes.

JMO

That is my interpretation of the law. Can you point out where I'm speculating or hoping? MOO.

Thanks.

 

[Salah11]

Guilty guilty guilty and guilty

What a wonderful day for Justice!!

 

[Warwick7]

I can only imagine, in Delphi, how everything changed in taking care of and monitoring children after this murder. No way would my kid walk to the store let alone the woods after that.
:0(
I would have invested in those little tile trackers or something of equal. I would have been that mother who constantly had that eye out. Maybe even squashing some of their independence for my perceived safety.

And how many little lives have been protected because Abby and Libby were so brave.... I don't want to think about it like that...but it is true.

 

[Warwick7]

I’m not sure why anyone would go by anything other than state law regarding the matter… would be kind of silly IMO to make guesses based off of literally nothing but speculation and hopes.

JMO

You are correct.

 

[Salah11]

I can only imagine, in Delphi, how everything changed in taking care of and monitoring children after this murder. No way would my kid walk to the store let alone the woods after that.
:0(
I would have invested in those little tile trackers or something of equal. I would have been that mother who constantly had that eye out. Maybe even squashing some of their independence for my perceived safety.

And how many little lives have been protected because Abby and Libby were so brave.... I don't want to think about it like that...but it is true.

Yes he was unfortunately a ticking time bomb just waiting for a opportunity to present itself to him.

Years of sick little fantasies about his sister and god knows who else ( I mean even writing this is nauseating) and I still think Libby that day attracted him as she resembled his daughter. He likes to keep it in the family it seems.

MOO

 

[dkaras]

I guess what I’m really saying is that I would have been much more confident in a guilty verdict if the jury had come to that decision after hearing all of the evidence that was improperly (IMO) excluded.

May I ask what you feel was improperly excluded, and also why you feel "improperly"? Full disclosure, I'm a few pages behind so if you've answered, please just point me with my apologies or I'll catch up with my apologies lol

IIRC, I will try to find the link, when JG tried to dismiss the DT, I thought she said (or did SCoIN say??) that if RA chose to keep that DT, he couldn't appeal based on ineffective counsel. I thought I heard that, please does anyone have another link handy?

The Odinism defense was determined to be ineffectual, is that the word, no proof. We can't be bringing any random theories into trial without some proof, right? I didn't see proof of this (not a lawyer), did you? The sticks/branches, I suppose that's subjective. Some people see a pattern, some people see covering.

SODDI defense, AFAIK these other people had alibis, right? And were cleared... how do they prove some kind of conspiracy or is that even relevant?

I am genuinely interested, appreciate any input!

Judge confirms defense attorney dismissals in Delphi double murder case

CARROLL COUNTY, Ind. — The latest hearing in the case against accused killer Richard Allen was due to start at 9 a.m. in the third-floor courtroom of Carroll Circuit Court in Delphi today. Al…

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ETA...re the ineffective counsel or SODDI commentary on my part is only some of what I've heard that can be challenged on appeal. Not a lawyer.

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856194776963416376

I would have loved to have watched all this happen.