GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #217

[Boxer]

Besides being a bumbling goof, he probably was a bit inebriated too. It just baffles my mind that he got away for five years.

Some cold cases that have been solved show how lucky criminals get sometimes. No real plan but no one sees them etc.

 

[INfisherman]

It wouldn't surprise me if this judge keeps everything sealed even after the sentencing.

Me neither, particularly with her keeping the defendant sealed up for the remainder of his natural life.

 

[Spartygirl]

They had his phone number and the other phone info; how much info could LE have extracted with that?

It wouldn't surprise me if this judge keeps everything sealed even after the sentencing.

Yes!!!
Let's hope she keeps RA=BG=Killer sealed up forever !!!

 

[iamshadow21]

Someone commented during the trial that they thought RA restrained Abby by sitting on her and having his knees on her arms because she didn't have any blood on her hands. That made sense to me.

I mentioned it as a possibility, I think during the pretrial hearing, when we got the testimony from the blood spatter analyst.

MOO

 

[Boxer]

Me neither, particularly with her keeping the defendant sealed up for the remainder of his natural life.

MOO The jury sealed him up. And they were right.

 

[INfisherman]

2 weeks until sentencing.

 

[TallCoolOne]

So........ whaddya think convicted double murderer Richard Allen will be getting in his stocking on Christmas morning?

 

[Tapeartree]

MOO The jury sealed him up. And they were right.

Agree. Although I have seen a lot of people on social media write how he will get an appeal, I disagree. I think the confessions alone will prevent him from getting a new trial.

 

[Boxer]

The defense never defended his alibi, since it was demonstrably false.
Others were on the trail at the time he gave in the second interview. He was not there.

Such a cruel and vicious crime.and apparently so weak willed he cant stick with a confession and get right about what he did. His wife and lawyers seem to be running his show.

 

[Tapeartree]

The defense never defended his alibi, since it was demonstrably false.
Others were on the trail at the time he gave in the second interview. He was not there.

Such a cruel and vicious crime.and apparently so weak willed he cant stick with a confession and get right about what he did. His wife and lawyers seem to be running his show.

It appears that is the case. It seems like he wanted to confess his crime, but the people closest to him refused to believe him. He just wants them to still love him even though he is a monster.

 

[arielilane]

@MaxLewisTV

New court documents reveal what the Delphi jury wanted to look at during their deliberations. The jurors asked to see 4 pieces of evidence again before finding Richard Allen guilty of murdering Abby Williams and Libby German. Details below:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1865054253636546761

DELPHI, Ind. – Jurors in the Delphi murders trial reviewed four key pieces of evidence while they deliberated the fate of Richard Allen.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-jury-reviewed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-before-finding-richard-allen-guilty/

12/6/2024

 

[somequestions]

I've never heard him give an alibi--from your post above---
example--""he was at home during the time of the crime ""
do you have a link for that ???

But to answer your question -- NO-- that phone would NOT have helped him as he admitted to having his phone and checking stock ticker while at the trails/ bridge that day during that time.

That proves him a liar IMO

It really doesn't matter-- he was found GUILTY of 4 counts and murdering these 2 Innocent girls, Libby & Abby.

He will rot in prison for the rest of his evil life !!!!!!!!!!

There is no link. It was my opinion. I was asking why would Richard Allen get rid of the phone from February 2017 if it might have provided him with a false alibi of being at home? I agree that as far as I know he has never claimed the phone was at home during the crime. Richard Allen said he was walking and looking at a stock ticker on his phone when he was at the Monon High Bridge trail. Many people seem to believe Richard Allen did NOT have his phone with him that day out on the trails.

The theory that he did not have his phone on him during the murders is a good theory as it would be very brazen to go to meet up with the conservation officer and they get his phone information and then realize his phone was in the crime scene location and still there well after he claimed he left the area in his car at 3:30pm.

Early in the case, Ron Logan's phone locations were looked at and LE was even able to determine where he was on his own property during certain time periods. I do not think Ron Logan was involved in the murders. I am only trying to show LE was interested in the locations of people's phones who were in the Monon High Bridge trail area on the day of the murders. Maybe someday someone will figure out if Richard Allen had his phone with him while out on the Monon High Bridge trail or whether he left it at home?

 

[mrjitty]

The theory that he did not have his phone on him during the murders is a good theory as it would be very brazen to go to meet up with the conservation officer and they get his phone information and then realize his phone was in the crime scene location and still there well after he claimed he left the area in his car at 3:30pm.

RSBM

I've said this ever since the Franks dropped. If there was any way his phone was exculpatory, then it would have been in the Franks. But of course it's been obvious from the beginning that the killer was the one who didn't have his phone at the bridge. This is why the geofence was always a red herring.

 

[INfisherman]

So........ whaddya think convicted double murderer Richard Allen will be getting in his stocking on Christmas morning?

A super sizedr spork, I hope.

 

[tlcya]

@MaxLewisTV

New court documents reveal what the Delphi jury wanted to look at during their deliberations. The jurors asked to see 4 pieces of evidence again before finding Richard Allen guilty of murdering Abby Williams and Libby German. Details below:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1865054253636546761

DELPHI, Ind. – Jurors in the Delphi murders trial reviewed four key pieces of evidence while they deliberated the fate of Richard Allen.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-jury-reviewed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-before-finding-richard-allen-guilty/

12/6/2024

so jurors viewed the enhanced video of BG, the Oct 13th LE interview of RA and the Oct 26th LE interview of RA. MOO they were listening carefully to his voice in all and analyzing his mannerisms in all.

 

[INfisherman]

I was asking why would Richard Allen get rid of the phone from February 2017 if it might have provided him with a false alibi of being at home?

RSBM

If he did get rid of his phone intentionally, it would be either because there was material on the phone that was illegal (think CSAM) or evidence that linked him and/or others to the murders who were also questioned by LE. RA would have known about the others being questioned via news reports prior to his initial 2022 interview, or the interviewee(s) could have somehow contacted/warned RA.

I suppose there is the off chance he was just paranoid after that first interview in 2022 & decided to destroy the phone out of sheer panic or ignorance, hoping it would somehow not be able to be used against him in any way.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

RSBM

If he did get rid of his phone intentionally, it would be either because there was material on the phone that was illegal (think CSAM) or evidence that linked him and/or others to the murders who were also questioned by LE. RA would have known about the others being questioned via news reports prior to his initial 2022 interview, or the interviewee(s) could have somehow contacted/warned RA.

I suppose there is the off chance he was just paranoid after that first interview in 2022 & decided to destroy the phone out of sheer panic or ignorance, hoping it would somehow not be able to be used against him in any way.

JMO

I've wondered if his phone might have been in airplane mode. So it could incriminate him if he took photos, or via passive GPS logging.

I also suspect the phone would have incriminated him had they run the number in the first weeks even after he binned it

 

[INfisherman]

I've wondered if his phone might have been in airplane mode. So it could incriminate him if he took photos, or via passive GPS logging.

I also suspect the phone would have incriminated him had they run the number in the first weeks even after he binned it

To be clear, I’m only attempting to provide possibilities to OPs question(s).

I am not qualified to give a definitive response regarding what LE can or cannot track or have recalled just from a cell phone’s presence in a given area, whether powered off or on. I thought I read somewhere if it’s on, it’s traceable but I wouldn’t swear to it. The last scenario I previously gave was intended to speculate that RA may not know his phone would show up regardless of it being intact or not - his ignorance of what LE might be able to show without the phone in hand/existing since they had his number & MEID.

I agree with your last sentence 100%.

Lastly, also for the sake of clarity, I’m not debating with anything you or anyone else has posted, just discussing possibilities given lack of knowledge of certain facts/subjects/testimonies. Personally, I don’t care much about his phone, where it was, or if it’s still around somewhere in regards to his guilt or innocence. I do care about it only in regards to what information might be linked/gleaned from it if LE were given the opportunity to examine it.

I think some, including myself, have specific questions they wish to have answered, regardless of effect towards RAs guilt, innocence or even evidentiary value. Some just wish to see/hear the whole story. We may never get that, which is fine for me.

JMO

ETA context last paragraph

 

[snooptroop88]

I've wondered if his phone might have been in airplane mode. So it could incriminate him if he took photos, or via passive GPS logging.

I also suspect the phone would have incriminated him had they run the number in the first weeks even after he binned it

Personally, I think he had no phone. And he thought it would be cute to give them his (then) current phone number, which he knew wouldn't appear on any of their tracking data. And I often wonder if his cute little act didn't work, and LE thought at that critical juncture well, we've got the phone number, and it'll show up in the records later. But he knew it never would. And eventually, LE figured out it never did, but didn't like to broadcast the idea that he'd eluded them for any length of time by doing this. I find RA's nasty little chuckle when LE asked if he was the "mastermind" behind the crime to be kind of interesting in light of some of RA's behaviors. All speculation.

<modsnip - tacky, Websleuths is better than that.

 

[FromGermany1]

So........ whaddya think convicted double murderer Richard Allen will be getting in his stocking on Christmas morning?

A voucher for 2025: "You may confess once each moth (12x) to a warden of your choice."