GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #218

[StarryStarryNight]

But for example if the video and audio had shown Bridge Guy to be clearly a black man, would Richard Allen have still been arrested for the crime?

I’m not sure what you are getting at here.
RA was not railroaded. There is no evidence that was ignored by LE that magically exonerates RA. If there was I’m sure his defense team would have put giant billboards and booked time on national news programs to strut around with it.
RA put himself on that bridge, not anyone else claimed to be there. Nobody could get him off. Nobody.
This is not theater. This is real life. There is no huge conspiracy to nail RA. There are however two precious young girls who are dead by the hand of convicted murderer Richard Allen.
It is dishonest and a dishonor to the victims and their families, in my opinion, to perpetuate this myth of an innocent RA.

 

[Emma Peel]

I guess if you are creating content for TV, the video formats are what you'd want?

IMO, NBCU wants the originals.
I'm wondering if they'd take Libby's clip and see what happens when their own studio experts "enhance" audio and image. JMHO

 

[SMK777]

I’m not sure what you are getting at here.
RA was not railroaded. There is no evidence that was ignored by LE that magically exonerates RA. If there was I’m sure his defense team would have put giant billboards and booked time on national news programs to strut around with it.
RA put himself on that bridge, not anyone else claimed to be there. Nobody could get him off. Nobody.
This is not theater. This is real life. There is no huge conspiracy to nail RA. There are however two precious young girls who are dead by the hand of convicted murderer Richard Allen.
It is dishonest and a dishonor to the victims and their families, in my opinion, to perpetuate this myth of an innocent RA.

I'm certainly not sold on any myth that RA may have been wrongly convicted, at all. Just exploring different aspects regarding information. And my point was only the relative importance of the Bridge Guy footage.


ETA: It's indisputable that the murders of these girls were beyond savage and heinous. But just as in the murder of Meredith Kercher, extreme sympathy for the victim does not negate considering the possibility of wrongful conviction.

 

[Megnut]

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Detective David Vido

Detective David Vido of the Indiana State Police spoke with us early in January about the Delphi murders case and the investigation into the many crimes of...

murdersheetpodcast.com

Just released so I'll summarize it once I've had a chance to finish listening to it.

 

[al66pine]

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Detective David Vido

Detective David Vido of the Indiana State Police spoke with us early in January about the Delphi murders case and the investigation into the many crimes of...

murdersheetpodcast.com

Just released so I'll summarize it once I've had a chance to finish listening to it.

@Megnut Looking forward to your summary.

If the podcast has a new or particularly persuasive point or two, it would be extreeeemely helpful if you can give us time stamps. TiA.

 

[Gemmie]

Saddest damn thing.

Delphi murders: Jurors watch video extracted from Libby German’s phone

DELPHI, Ind. – One of the most famous—or infamous—pieces of the Delphi murders puzzle is video taken from Libby German’s phone. The grainy image of “Bridge Guy” was taken from a video extracted fro…

fox59.com

From your link:

Auger asked Bunner if he knew every time data is extracted from a phone, some of the information is lost.

“It is true. We didn’t know that then,” Bunner answered.

Two things.... I HOPE that that information is shared across every LE across the country. No! The world! LE needs to know this before they proceed to extract delicate evidence/info from phones going forward.

Secondly, does anyone know if a copy(s) could be made of data before an extraction? That would be vital so as to not lose any data that might get lost as the extractions get done. And if so, share that with LE across the world too IMO!

 

[Megnut]

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Detective David Vido

Detective David Vido of the Indiana State Police spoke with us early in January about the Delphi murders case and the investigation into the many crimes of...

murdersheetpodcast.com

17 m17s, he says, "it's the most brutal crime he's ever worked in his career. How they were treated, how they were killed, and how they were left. Barbaric. Can't induce what they experienced."

 

[FrostedGlass]

IMO, NBCU wants the originals.
I'm wondering if they'd take Libby's clip and see what happens when their own studio experts "enhance" audio and image. JMHO

Re: Bunner's testimony. From this, is the original even still intact? Would the motion to preserve specific evidence cover this? The judge hasn't ruled on yet.
[snips]
He told the court time was of the essence and he wanted to get information to detectives as quickly as he could. He extracted hundreds of pages of data.

When he looked through the camera roll, he found the video. He watched it and took screenshots. Each time he extracted data from the phone, he got more information, although the additional data had minimal benefit to the investigation.

He used multiple types of software to make the extractions, telling the defense during cross examination that no one piece of software “gets all the information.”

Defense attorney Jennifer Auger asked Bunner about GPS tracking; he said he didn’t look at it in 2017.

Auger asked Bunner if he knew every time data is extracted from a phone, some of the information is lost. “It is true. We didn’t know that then,” Bunner answered.

Auger pointed out that data can be overwritten or files can fail over time. “That’s data you can never get back and data the jury will never know,” she said.

Delphi murders: Jurors watch video extracted from Libby German’s phone

DELPHI, Ind. – One of the most famous—or infamous—pieces of the Delphi murders puzzle is video taken from Libby German’s phone. The grainy image of “Bridge Guy” was taken from a video extracted fro…

fox59.com

 

[Megnut]

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Detective David Vido

Detective David Vido of the Indiana State Police spoke with us early in January about the Delphi murders case and the investigation into the many crimes of...

murdersheetpodcast.com

Just before 36 minutes, they discuss the Delphi investigation specifically.

Describes executing the search warrant on the house after RA stormed out of the interview.

Describes opening the keepsake box, finding the cartridge alongside family military papers.

Talks about looking through phone records of others once they had RA's name looking for links.

Describes difficulties with the Defense approach, not taking it personally, but finding it just so unsupported. Was glad to be able to testify, at the three day trial, but hard to be separated outside the courtroom, waiting to testify.

Commending words for the Prosecution team.

49m. First time to catch your breath -- at the guilty verdict.

Assessment of mistakes and what can be improve going forward. He thinks a smaller team taking it all in is more effective.

51m "I wish all of the media reported like you [TMS,] did." Reaserched, fair....

Biggest misconception: that LE was incompetent, corrupt.

It was a huge investigation, we all worked together. There was no corruption.

Days DC is one of the most genuine people he ever met. An honor to work for him.

55m. "His heart had been broken for the family. [His voice broke as he said it. ] You can't be a human and not be affected, changed." Hardest cases he ever had to work, Delphi and CSAM.

Paraphrase: How do you do it, day after day, with all the hurdles? "For the girls."

Utmost respect for the families. Thanks then for "sticking with us" and so sorry this happened to them.

 

[Emma Peel]

Re: Bunner's testimony. From this, is the original even still intact? Would the motion to preserve specific evidence cover this? The judge hasn't ruled on yet.
[snips]
He told the court time was of the essence and he wanted to get information to detectives as quickly as he could. He extracted hundreds of pages of data.

When he looked through the camera roll, he found the video. He watched it and took screenshots. Each time he extracted data from the phone, he got more information, although the additional data had minimal benefit to the investigation.

He used multiple types of software to make the extractions, telling the defense during cross examination that no one piece of software “gets all the information.”

Defense attorney Jennifer Auger asked Bunner about GPS tracking; he said he didn’t look at it in 2017.

Auger asked Bunner if he knew every time data is extracted from a phone, some of the information is lost. “It is true. We didn’t know that then,” Bunner answered.

Auger pointed out that data can be overwritten or files can fail over time. “That’s data you can never get back and data the jury will never know,” she said.

Delphi murders: Jurors watch video extracted from Libby German’s phone

DELPHI, Ind. – One of the most famous—or infamous—pieces of the Delphi murders puzzle is video taken from Libby German’s phone. The grainy image of “Bridge Guy” was taken from a video extracted fro…

fox59.com

I do think disclosing that there's unknown lost information from video shown at trial just by the nature of working with this tech - is fair. Glad that was disclosed to jury at trial. Crime labs have been doing this type of work for long time; certainly protocol exists how to handle an extraction of a file from the original cellphone source. If protocol is followed, if chain-of-custody is documented, I'm good.

As to possible damage: I leave that to the experts at the various labs that do this work to explain.

Surely NBC is not asking for the phone to be extracted again, or to send them any copy of video other than that which was presented at trial.

What I understand NBC to be asking for is faithful copies of the video evidence shown to the jury at trial. What shall we call the version shown at trial? The "original-shown-at-trial" ?
IMO, that's the ask.

IMO, Bottom line here: what excuse is there not to hand over copies of the requested trial exhibits to the public?

JMHO

 

[Vaderman]

I must have missed it, but why did the state police stop providing interviews with news outlets?

 

[MassGuy]

Really destroys the whole Ron Logan thing. They did their due diligence with him.

States Response to Motion to Correct Errorpdf.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[steeltowngirl]

The witness said the guy with the pouf of brown hair was "beautiful and boyish". I suppose RA might appear that way...

Small detail, but BB said RA was youthful, not beautiful.

Rozzi questioned the testimony of many of the state's witnesses.

He started by saying that Betsy Blair’s description of Bridge Guy was "boyish and youthful." They pointed out that Richard Allen is neither.

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 18 | Jury hears closing arguments from prosecution and defense

Jurors hear closing arguments from both sides on Day 18 of the Delphi Murders Trial. The jury is expected to begin deliberations this afternoon.

www.wrtv.com

Next was Betsy Blair. She does not live in Delphi but walked the trail regularly. She testified to seeing Abby and Libby on the trail the day they went missing.

Her testimony shared details on the path she would regularly take on the trail.

She says on February 13th, 2017 she was walking the trail when she noticed a man on the bridge.

Blair described the man she saw as "Bridge Guy." Her testimony detailed that she was about 50 feet away from the man on the bridge.

"He was out on a platform, and looked at me like he was expecting someone. It didn't seem like he was looking for me," Blair testified.

She described the man as:

• Causasian
• 20s-30s
• brown poofy hair
• younger, boyish look
• youthful
• average height
• no facial hair

Blair said she only saw the man, "for a moment."
When asked by the jury if the "brown poofy hair" could've been a hat, she said it's possible.

Blair also said the man she saw on the bridge is the man in the photo released by police of "Bridge Guy.”

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 4 | Focus on examination of physical evidence recovered at crime scene

Testimony and cross-examination of the state's witness, ISP crime scene investigator Brian Olehy, continued on day four of the Delphi Murders trial.

www.wrtv.com

 

[INfisherman]

Really destroys the whole Ron Logan thing. They did their due diligence with him.
View attachment 562687

States Response to Motion to Correct Errorpdf.pdf

drive.google.com

I feel the entire response from the state destroys everything in the MTCE. Much of it as predicted by a few WS’ers. Would be nice to see the exhibits which went along with this response, if nothing but a cherry on top.

MOO

 

[SMK777]

Small detail, but BB said RA was youthful, not beautiful.

Rozzi questioned the testimony of many of the state's witnesses.

He started by saying that Betsy Blair’s description of Bridge Guy was "boyish and youthful." They pointed out that Richard Allen is neither.

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 18 | Jury hears closing arguments from prosecution and defense

Jurors hear closing arguments from both sides on Day 18 of the Delphi Murders Trial. The jury is expected to begin deliberations this afternoon.

www.wrtv.com

Next was Betsy Blair. She does not live in Delphi but walked the trail regularly. She testified to seeing Abby and Libby on the trail the day they went missing.

Her testimony shared details on the path she would regularly take on the trail.

She says on February 13th, 2017 she was walking the trail when she noticed a man on the bridge.

Blair described the man she saw as "Bridge Guy." Her testimony detailed that she was about 50 feet away from the man on the bridge.

"He was out on a platform, and looked at me like he was expecting someone. It didn't seem like he was looking for me," Blair testified.

She described the man as:

• Causasian
• 20s-30s
• brown poofy hair
• younger, boyish look
• youthful
• average height
• no facial hair

Blair said she only saw the man, "for a moment."
When asked by the jury if the "brown poofy hair" could've been a hat, she said it's possible.

Blair also said the man she saw on the bridge is the man in the photo released by police of "Bridge Guy.”

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 4 | Focus on examination of physical evidence recovered at crime scene

Testimony and cross-examination of the state's witness, ISP crime scene investigator Brian Olehy, continued on day four of the Delphi Murders trial.

www.wrtv.com

It was an error in the article, apparently, which said, "boyish and beautiful". Thanks for the correction.
RA seems very short to me, not average, but....

 

[INfisherman]

Re: Bunner's testimony. From this, is the original even still intact? Would the motion to preserve specific evidence cover this? The judge hasn't ruled on yet.
[snips]
He told the court time was of the essence and he wanted to get information to detectives as quickly as he could. He extracted hundreds of pages of data.

When he looked through the camera roll, he found the video. He watched it and took screenshots. Each time he extracted data from the phone, he got more information, although the additional data had minimal benefit to the investigation.

He used multiple types of software to make the extractions, telling the defense during cross examination that no one piece of software “gets all the information.”

Defense attorney Jennifer Auger asked Bunner about GPS tracking; he said he didn’t look at it in 2017.

Auger asked Bunner if he knew every time data is extracted from a phone, some of the information is lost. “It is true. We didn’t know that then,” Bunner answered.

Auger pointed out that data can be overwritten or files can fail over time. “That’s data you can never get back and data the jury will never know,” she said.

Delphi murders: Jurors watch video extracted from Libby German’s phone

DELPHI, Ind. – One of the most famous—or infamous—pieces of the Delphi murders puzzle is video taken from Libby German’s phone. The grainy image of “Bridge Guy” was taken from a video extracted fro…

fox59.com

I feel it would be fair to all if the context of what kind of data is lost each time an extraction occurs would be plainly stated. These are open ended statements which do not really add value, especially if that data is of little or no value to the case. Data lost or overwritten could simply be the data log showing when the phone was last plugged into a computer (device allowed to access phone).

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

"He was out on a platform, and looked at me like he was expecting someone. It didn't seem like he was looking for me," Blair testified.

RSBBBMFF

I feel it’s important to take a bit of a closer look at those words BBM. Then take into consideration what RV also said. He looked like he was walking with a purpose. 2 witnesses, 2 different locations. Something was obvious about his behavior for witnesses to make note of it almost 8 years later. It made an impression. RA was hunting & 2 of the 4 eyewitnesses (1 being after the murders) made note of this, even though they likely weren’t sure what it was they were observing.

MOO

 

[SMK777]

Really destroys the whole Ron Logan thing. They did their due diligence with him.
View attachment 562687

States Response to Motion to Correct Errorpdf.pdf

drive.google.com

I'm sure glad you posted this, because I had really felt RL might have been the real killer.

 

[MassGuy]

I'm sure glad you posted this, because I had really felt RL might have been the real killer.

They knew all this stuff, and thought he was possibly the killer. We know they didn’t get there, but we don’t know the specific reasoning.

This is part of it, but there’s going to be a lot more. It would have been so convenient to have it all wrapped up, give the families justice, and quell the public firestorm.

He just wasn’t the guy.

 

[SMK777]

They knew all this stuff, and thought he was possibly the killer. We know they didn’t get there, but we don’t know the specific reasoning.

This is part of it, but there’s going to be a lot more. It would have been so convenient to have it all wrapped up, give the families justice, and quell the public firestorm.

He just wasn’t the guy.

Yes, it's obvious. Thanks for posting that.