GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #218

FrostedGlass · Feb 11, 2025

snarast said:
I wonder about how nobody recognized him and also I’m wondering about height assessments based on Libby’s video - why they weren’t made - or did I be miss that? RA’s height is very distinctive. It should be possible to simulate similar scenarios. I guess the defense didn’t bother - who needs science when you’ve got Odin, Yggdrasil and Ragnarök to worry about…

JMO

IMO The height assessments weren't made by either side because they couldn't be made. I hope there will come a time when we get to see the actual video and the transcript of how that image of BG on the bridge was created.

If anyone has a summary of TMS's take on the video, please share it.

FrostedGlass · Feb 11, 2025

Vern said:
RA has ben found guilty by a jury of his peers already 'Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!' ... so onto the stuff that's new IMO:

@Niner

7/02/25: Twist Media LLC's Motion To Intervene And To Compel Access To Public Trial Exhibits:

_Twist Media LLC’s Motion to Intervene and to Compel Access to Public Trial Exhibits.pdf

drive.google.com

7/02/25: E-filing Appearance By Attorney In Civil Case (by: Robert R. Foos):

_Robert R. Foos, Jr Appearance.pdf

drive.google.com

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The media has taken way too long. I hope they are already prepared to take the next step if necessary. I find this lack of transparency really concerning. MOO

FromGermany1 · Feb 11, 2025

Jade said:
I’m sure in the excitement of the blood and gore while torturing and posing two naked young girls he was distracted.

RA knew his creek crossing and bowl killing location was sufficient for hiding out. He had the girls under full control by then anyway.

Under the bridge, at the road, he sees a van as he’s got two girls he kidnapped at gunpoint right there probably at least partially undressed it’s going to scare him, that’s believable.

At his killing location across the creek, on private property, where no one would dream of looking for the girls right off and even after time of searching they were hard to find he was not scared off if he did hear and there is nothing saying he had heard anything.

Richard Allen was questioned about the picture of him and had a reply.

There is a media thread for this case. Lots of information.

all imo

Is DTH the same as "under the bridge"? Actually I wouldn't have thought so.
-.-.-
IMO, RA knew the place (later cs) on RL-property. Why should he have decided for it for fleeing there with the girls? Why should he have known something like a ground depression, from where his later victims weren't to be seen even by searchers?
I can imagine, this was perhaps a place, where he before spied on female bridge-goers/walkers. Possibly he knew the place, and he knew the escape-way out very well, and he normally also knew, how to get there without crossing the creek.

al66pine · Feb 11, 2025

True Crime Shows.

somequestions said:
The picture Liberty German posted...
I know none of this proves anything other than Richard Allen needed to watch a few more episodes of Dateline.

snipped for focus @somequestions Thx for your post.
Yep.
If RA had watched a few more shows, he might have evaded arrest & conviction.
Might have.
Might.
Just might.

But personally I'm glad he did not.

Jade · Feb 11, 2025

FromGermany1 said:
Is DTH the same as "under the bridge"? Actually I wouldn't have thought so.
-.-.-
IMO, RA knew the place (later cs) on RL-property. Why should he have decided for it for fleeing there with the girls? Why should he have known something like a ground depression, from where his later victims weren't to be seen even by searchers?
I can imagine, this was perhaps a place, where he before spied on female bridge-goers/walkers. Possibly he knew the place, and he knew the escape-way out very well, and he normally also knew, how to get there without crossing the creek.

First down the hill. That takes them to the base of the bridge.

Yes, that is a location to do spying! He says he followed the girls so that goes with lurking in the woods too, imo.

If I thought he was smart he would have already consulted a topo map, scouted the location, and made his plans but I think he is a stupid drunk who was too lazy to go further than the shelter of the under bridge and only went across the creek because he was interrupted and he had already done enough to get in ugly trouble.

So it could be when he was scared across the creek he likely just forced them along to a suitable private site.

The park is very interesting geologically and has plenty of secluded places so RA didn’t have to have prior knowledge just went into the woods on the other side of the creek where it is quiet with no trails on what turned out to be private property.

RA said he went to the park frequently it’s just right there down the road from work and up the road a bit from home.
Who knows how long he has been fantasizing about the crimes at that location.

All imo

Allen said he saw his parents on the morning of the crime. He bought a 6-pack instead of lunch, drank three beers, bundled up, went to the trail and saw the girls.
He then followed them to the bridge, did something to his gun and thought that was when the cartridge came out, told the girls “down the hill.”
He said he planned on a sexual assault but saw a van, “got scared” and decided not to, crossed the creek and “cut necks” before covering the bodies with branches.
Then, staying off the trail to not be seen, Allen said he returned to the car and had lived his life normally since.

Prison psychologist discusses Richard Allen’s alleged confessions on Day 11 of Delphi murders trial

all imo

Vern · Feb 11, 2025

FrostedGlass said:
The media has taken way too long. I hope they are already prepared to take the next step if necessary. I find this lack of transparency really concerning. MOO

The appeal hasn't been filed yet by RA's appealate attornies so I am not concerned.

There were members of the public at the trial so I am not concerned. This wasn't a 'secret trial' held behind closed doors. The doors were open to those who could get a seat, but the cameras were off. They still saw the evidence presented.

Not every trial is televised on Court TV so I really, really don't get the outrage in this particular case.

Sorry, but I just don't. IMO.

StarryStarryNight · Feb 11, 2025

somequestions said:
No, I do not have a link. I was replying to the original person who suggested DG may have been yelling Libby's name that day and that might have scared Richard Allen to leave the crime scene area. I thought it was a good theory.

The only way to know if DG walked near the Monon High Bridge that day or yelled out Libby's name in the Monon High Bridge area is to ask him.

I also wonder if Liberty German's phone was on silent vibrate mode or if she had the ringer on and it was making sound when people called or texted? I wondered this after seeing the pictures released. The phone stopped moving at 2:32 pm per courtroom testimony.

I think most parents would be calling and possibly yelling their child's name as they would want them to know they are looking for them and would like to leave. There might have been a lot of phone calls and texts to Libby's phone too. At the time, DG had no idea what had actually happened.

I cannot remember which direction FSG came from that day, only that at some point he met up with DG who asked if he had seen the girls. I am sure after that point everyone searched the entire trail area looking for the girls which is why I think if Richard Allen did get back to his car, it must not have been on the trails as it sounds like there were numerous people that were walking on them at the time he would have been walking back to his car if he was seen by SC at 3:57pm walking along 300 N.

I think it is possible that DG calling and yelling his daughter’s name was heard by RA. It may have concerned him but it didn’t cause him to stop terrorizing the girls.
By RA’s own account, bolstered by testimony sworn to in court and considered by a twelve person jury, it was a white van that drove nearby that startled RA, causing him to move the girls and eventually slaughter them, after which he compassionately sat and watched them die because he didn’t want them to suffer. What a great guy.

FrostedGlass · Feb 11, 2025

Vern said:
The appeal hasn't been filed yet by RA's appealate attornies so I am not concerned.

There were members of the public at the trial so I am not concerned. This wasn't a 'secret trial' held behind closed doors. The doors were open to those who could get a seat, but the cameras were off. They still saw the evidence presented.

Not every trial is televised on Court TV so I really, really don't get the outrage in this particular case.

Sorry, but I just don't. IMO.

I totally understand your lack of concern.

In Indiana, we have the Access to Public Records Act and the public expects those rules to be followed. We also have a Public Access Councilor who decides if violations have occurred.

We know the ISP/Nick and Judge Gull have already had problems with this. Now, we are having problems again. IMO this is happening way too much in this case.

https://www.in.gov/tos/files/TOS_Guide_to_APRA-Final1.pdf

https://www.in.gov/pac/files/advisory/22-FC-157.pdf (ISP/Nick)
23S-OR-00302 Carroll Circuit Court, et al (Judge Gull)

Megnut · Feb 11, 2025