GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #218

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i haver never seen the crime scene photos. Only the supposed mimic photo which is of zero relevance in my opinion.

I never want to see the crime scene photos.
Me either, and I hope to never run across them. I purposely skipped reading the 9 page CS document in their Franks and only heard it being discussed here in general. I intentionally did not, nor could not, read those very calculated and intended salacious details.

This D Team exploited Abby & Libby's very sacrosanct right to common decency and privacy even in death...that is unforgivable to me. I asked many threads ago how they would like it if it were one of their own daughters, and as much as I despise them I still wouldn't wish it upon any parent.

JMO
 
Paid by whom? With what funds?
Maybe the Defense Gimmie Money Fund? I personally think these types of people do it out of pure spite and hatefulness, no money required, just some meager validation and a pat on the head by the DPG and D Team.

If you read the published private messages released to TMS between the DPG and the Cranks, it's scary to see the depths these groupies are willing to go. They speak in glee about doxxing people, digging up dirt and spreading lies, because they are so smart and know how easy it is to do.

Karma :cool:

MOO
 
I thought this was a well written article on the State's Prosecution by a local journalist, worth the read IMO.

<snipped>

CLEARED - 7 letters delayed Allen’s conviction by five years.

Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland spoke to the Carroll County Comet Friday, his first interview since the gag order was lifted in the Delphi double murder case. This is part of a continued series of first-hand perspectives from those closest to the case by journalist Amy Graham-McCarty.


‘Cleared’ - Carroll County Comet
 
I thought this was a well written article on the State's Prosecution by a local journalist, worth the read IMO.

<snipped>

CLEARED - 7 letters delayed Allen’s conviction by five years.

Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland spoke to the Carroll County Comet Friday, his first interview since the gag order was lifted in the Delphi double murder case. This is part of a continued series of first-hand perspectives from those closest to the case by journalist Amy Graham-McCarty.


‘Cleared’ - Carroll County Comet


This article is probably the most informative of those that have come out recently.

We find out that RA was offered a plea deal early on ("not a lucrative one") but declined it.

McCleland names some of the things he would do differently.
1. Says the tip being overlooked was obviously the biggest thing that was unfortunate, not for trying the case but for the families. They do not know who wrote "cleared" on the tip sheet.
2. If he was re-trying the case, he would have someone testify about the "pattern of life of Richard Allen while he was in jail...to have more impact for the confessions." He says that this could have helped demonstrate that RA was not psychotic when he made them. The phone calls in which he confessed also contained regular conversation about the weather, the pets etc, before RA would mention "I just need you to know I did this."

McCleland had low-key interactions in the community with RA and KA before RA became a suspect.

McCleland and others in his office have experienced threats, such as people saying they are going to slash his tires, or "What if I came to Indiana and did this to your girls?" Most of the negative comments and threats come from individuals outside of the Carroll County community.

The surprise during the trial was the testimony of the Defense's digital expert, Stacey Eldridge. No one knew she was going to say that something was inserted into the headphone jack of Libby's phone and then removed hours later. "The Defense did a good job of hiding (what they were going to use in court)." This is what led to Sgt. Cecil having to google an explanation and McCleland admits this was not ideal.

What does McCleland think the defense did wrong? The personal attacks on investigators' characters (such as Mullin), and he is also critical of Rozzi's closing. "There's a point where....they showed a rack used for medieval torture....Sometimes you go too far, and you lose the jury. I could have objected; it was absolutely inappropriate (for them to show that). I let it go. Part of trial work is reading the room and seeing how people react....He was losing them, so I didn't object."
 
Individuals took to social media and YouTube to discuss the merits of the case, some speaking on authority on Allen’s innocence and guilt.

“I would sit back and say, ‘If you only knew the whole story,’” McLeland said of comments made online about the case.
[snip]
To Richard Allen
McLeland said he has nothing to say to Allen.

“I don’t want to sit down with him,” he said. “I presented the evidence we had in court; the jury found him guilty. If you believe in the system, as I do, what else do I need to hear?

“What answer could he give to give solace? No answer he could give me would justify or make it OK.

“I was pretty adamant at the press conference; I don’t want to say Richard Allen’s name again. He’s the defendant, the convicted. This should be about Abby and Libby and how amazing they were.”
‘Cleared’ - Carroll County Comet

excellent read
 
Hisbattorneys apparentlybsaw he was guilty anf the state had the evidence and ran an everything but the evidence defense- anything with heat - a laundry list of general fears: Odinist 🤬🤬🤬🤬 gangs, ritual sacrifice, police corruption, police torture.
MOO they were sure they could get one juror for a hung jury.
And that getting one juror was their entire strategy.
 
Hisbattorneys apparentlybsaw he was guilty anf the state had the evidence and ran an everything but the evidence defense- anything with heat - a laundry list of general fears: Odinist gangs, ritual sacrifice, police corruption, police torture.
MOO they were sure they could get one juror for a hung jury.
And that getting one juror was their entire strategy.

IMO a defence seeking a hung jury, hoping just one sucker who gobbles up conspiracy theories is chosen, is a disgusting strategy showing their complete lack of integrity.

I’d add to your list allegations of prison mistreatment by corrupt guards as well.

I noticed the hope mentioned that at last one juror might have a friend or relative incarcerated in an Indiana prison. None of these allegations were in any way connected to the State proving RA is guilty or innocence during trial. The expectation a jury might express personal bias to the ‘system’ through acquitting murderers is equally corrupt and unjust. Total lack of scruples anyone who supports this.

JMO
 
IMO a defence seeking a hung jury, hoping just one sucker who gobbles up conspiracy theories is chosen, is a disgusting strategy showing their complete lack of integrity.

I’d add to your list allegations of prison mistreatment by corrupt guards as well.

I noticed the hope mentioned that at last one juror might have a friend or relative incarcerated in an Indiana prison. None of these allegations were in any way connected to the State proving RA is guilty or innocence during trial. The expectation a jury might express personal bias to the ‘system’ through acquitting murderers is equally corrupt and unjust. Total lack of scruples anyone who supports this.

JMO
Agreed 100% - The worst and most unethical Defense Team I have ever seen on any case I've followed. We see how well that worked out for them in the end.

Karma :cool:

MOO
 
I still don’t understand how headphone theory was not discovered pretrial. Did Nick just mess up there?
It is an anomoly with the obvious reason that the defense decided to use, as a moisture short and the jack looks the same.
I guess the prosecution missed that grab at a straw.
 
I still don’t understand how headphone theory was not discovered pretrial. Did Nick just mess up there?
Short answer - Yes, in the article I linked of Nick McL's interview with the Comet he said that was basically a screw up on his part. He noticed it in Discovery but didn't pursue it further. That is why Mullins was goggling the info. :rolleyes:

At least N McL was honest in his answers about the mistakes he made and the things he would have done differently. Hindsight is 20/20, but ultimately the jury convicted and sent the child murderer to prison for 130 years.

JMO
 
Does anyone here still think Allen is "not guilty" ? I haven't been on here since way before the trial.
I think the possibility that he was not guilty was greatly diminished after the testimony about the van that linked up to one of the confessions made by Richard Allen. I would have liked an answer to a key question in this case. I know recently the defense and others have spoken about the case. I do not follow this case as closely anymore as the only opinion that matters is that of the jury. The jury concluded he was guilty based on the evidence presented to them.

One major question now that the trial is over:

Did the defense team ever state why during the trial they did not bring up the killer not being seen walking past the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera after being seen by SC walking on 300 N at 3:57pm that day? If Richard Allen did walk behind the Mears farm property into the farm fields to avoid the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera, were there any doorbell cameras that caught a figure walking in the farm fields even if he was not seen on the Hoosier Harvest Store video surveillance?

I think now this case will probably disappear from public discussion unless somehow Richard Allen is granted a new trial.
 
I think the possibility that he was not guilty was greatly diminished after the testimony about the van that linked up to one of the confessions made by Richard Allen. I would have liked an answer to a key question in this case. I know recently the defense and others have spoken about the case. I do not follow this case as closely anymore as the only opinion that matters is that of the jury. The jury concluded he was guilty based on the evidence presented to them.

One major question now that the trial is over:

Did the defense team ever state why during the trial they did not bring up the killer not being seen walking past the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera after being seen by SC walking on 300 N at 3:57pm that day? If Richard Allen did walk behind the Mears farm property into the farm fields to avoid the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera, were there any doorbell cameras that caught a figure walking in the farm fields even if he was not seen on the Hoosier Harvest Store video surveillance?

I think now this case will probably disappear from public discussion unless somehow Richard Allen is granted a new trial.
Hi @somequestions

The defense has not addressed anything related to their client other than he is innocent, a really great person & that they are going to appeal. They are careful to avoid answering anything one might consider a tough question due to the planned appeal. My summation of their softball interviews to this point.

MOO
 
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