GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #219

[FrostedGlass]

With this case two months post conviction, I've been expecting people to come forward with negative info about RA's possible drinking problem. So far, I haven't seen any coworkers noting bruises on his wife, any coworkers commenting on a hung-over RA or days missed, no friends of the daughter talking about how he abused her. No neighbors talking about fights/yelling. He has not even one drunk-driving arrest. I'm puzzled.

 

[Megnut]

With this case two months post conviction, I've been expecting people to come forward with negative info about RA's possible drinking problem. So far, I haven't seen any coworkers noting bruises on his wife, any coworkers commenting on a hung-over RA or days missed, no friends of the daughter talking about how he abused her. No neighbors talking about fights/yelling. He has not even one drunk-driving arrest. I'm puzzled.

Seems like that always comes.

He must have kept a really low profile. Very small social circle.

Maybe it's self-preservation. No one wants to put themselves out there in association with a convicted murderer of two little girls.

JMO

 

[tlcya]

He also said he was an alcoholic and had been both a victim and perpetrator of child molestation.

He wanted to apologize to the girls’ families.
[snip]
He said he saw his mother in the morning in Mexico, Indiana. He was offered an invitation to go out for lunch but declined. He told Wala he drank three beers and then went to the trails.
https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/i-ju...unt-of-delphi-murders-to-prison-psychologist/

So was RA lying when he claimed he had an alcohol problem? Or is the assertion that Wala lied and RA never told her that? I'm confused. Lots of functioning alcoholics are not wife beaters and manage to show up every day for work. There is a reason the term "functioning" alcoholic was coined. JMO

 

[pisceswhisperer]

With this case two months post conviction, I've been expecting people to come forward with negative info about RA's possible drinking problem. So far, I haven't seen any coworkers noting bruises on his wife, any coworkers commenting on a hung-over RA or days missed, no friends of the daughter talking about how he abused her. No neighbors talking about fights/yelling. He has not even one drunk-driving arrest. I'm puzzled.

When the whole town has like five cops and dozens of backroads to get places, it’s not hard for me to believe he’s never had a DUI. Not to mention there’s not many places he needs to drive to, he might just stay home in a daze.

 

[Megnut]

He also said he was an alcoholic and had been both a victim and perpetrator of child molestation.

He wanted to apologize to the girls’ families.
[snip]
He said he saw his mother in the morning in Mexico, Indiana. He was offered an invitation to go out for lunch but declined. He told Wala he drank three beers and then went to the trails.
https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/i-ju...unt-of-delphi-murders-to-prison-psychologist/

So was RA lying when he claimed he had an alcohol problem? Or is the assertion that Wala lied and RA never told her that? I'm confused. Lots of functioning alcoholics are not wife beaters and manage to show up every day for work. There is a reason the term "functioning" alcoholic was coined. JMO

And for every alcoholic, functioning or otherwise, there's a different expression of the disease/behavior.

If RA did most of his drinking at home, there wouldn't be a history of DUIs. If KA babysat him when drinking publicly and herded him home before things got dicey, there'd still be no DUIs, no public intoxication, no bar fights.

I think he just had a remarkably dull, small life. Few people knew him, outside of work, and even there, he probably clocked in and clocked out, yawn.

We may never know but I think there's a backstory we haven't heard. I think RA felt he was losing control. Of something. And not just that morning. Never mind that he was day drinking. I wonder if there was talk of divorce. Empty nest, loss of her brother, care-taking for her mother. Methinks Lil Ricky felt neglected or afraid (of abandonment) ... and decided he would take control of two little girls in order to feel like he was in control at all.

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

And for every alcoholic, functioning or otherwise, there's a different expression of the disease/behavior.

If RA did most of his drinking at home, there wouldn't be a history of DUIs. If KA babysat him when drinking publicly and herded him home before things got dicey, there'd still be no DUIs, no public intoxication, no bar fights.

I think he just had a remarkably dull, small life. Few people knew him, outside of work, and even there, he probably clocked in and clocked out, yawn.

We may never know but I think there's a backstory we haven't heard. I think RA felt he was losing control. Of something. And not just that morning. Never mind that he was day drinking. I wonder if there was talk of divorce. Empty nest, loss of her brother, care-taking for her mother. Methinks Lil Ricky felt neglected or afraid (of abandonment) ... and decided he would take control of two little girls in order to feel like he was in control at all.

JMO

I agree that all drunks don't have the same behaviors but RA seems to have had none of them. I'll continue to wait for someone to come forward.

 

[FrostedGlass]

When the whole town has like five cops and dozens of backroads to get places, it’s not hard for me to believe he’s never had a DUI. Not to mention there’s not many places he needs to drive to, he might just stay home in a daze.

They were pretty good at catching RL.

 

[Megnut]

I agree that all drunks don't have the same behaviors but RA seems to have had none of them. I'll continue to wait for someone to come forward.

Consensus seems to support this -- an undistinguished life.

IMO he kept it behind closed doors.

Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen: Indiana town wants answers about man who 'blended in'

Five and a half years after two teen girls were slain, Delphi, Indiana resident Richard Allen has been arrested in the case. His community is shocked.

www.indystar.com

 

[tlcya]

lest we forget:

The Carroll County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that deputies were sent to Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen’s home in 2015 for a “domestic” incident.

The sheriff’s office was dispatched just after 3:30 in the morning on June 18, 2015, according to records obtained by FOX59. The sheriff said Allen was allegedly drunk and his wife took him to a Lafayette-area hospital for a medical evaluation.
https://fox59.com/indiana-news/depu...ts-home-for-domestic-issue-to-keep-the-peace/

 

[ClearAhead]

With this case two months post conviction, I've been expecting people to come forward with negative info about RA's possible drinking problem. So far, I haven't seen any coworkers noting bruises on his wife, any coworkers commenting on a hung-over RA or days missed, no friends of the daughter talking about how he abused her. No neighbors talking about fights/yelling. He has not even one drunk-driving arrest. I'm puzzled.

I got the impression the citizens of Delphi were largely supportive of RAs conviction. Nobody was shrieking over RA’s innocence or that the wrong man was convicted, no online petitions over the injustice of it all, nothing at all. Only acceptance of the outcome.

IMO The lack of any outcry speaks far louder than the expectation of locals trashing him. No need for that, justice has spoken for them.

ETA Throughout this case the locals have carried on admirably avoiding creating unnecessary and harmful sensationalism. Numerous times it’s mentioned the reason is respect for Abby’s and Libby’s families but perhaps that silence also avoids causing any more hurt and embarrassment to RAs family members than RA has already brought upon them.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

lest we forget:

The Carroll County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that deputies were sent to Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen’s home in 2015 for a “domestic” incident.

The sheriff’s office was dispatched just after 3:30 in the morning on June 18, 2015, according to records obtained by FOX59. The sheriff said Allen was allegedly drunk and his wife took him to a Lafayette-area hospital for a medical evaluation.
https://fox59.com/indiana-news/depu...ts-home-for-domestic-issue-to-keep-the-peace/

Lookie there. KA mopping up after Ricky.

Probably dodged further attention from LE by promising to take him to the hospital.

I wonder if there's a record to confirm whether she did.

Poor Ricky, perfectly harmless, just misunderstood.

 

[susane7]

I think Lauren from Hidden True crime will interview people who knew RA and we will heard some stories about him in their podcast about delphi. In the last interview with Becky, Becky said some people who knew him apologize to her because they didn't put 2 and 2 together that he was BG/the killer and the questions he asked make more sense now but Becky didn't want to explain more because the person coulbd be identified and she didn't want that. Lauren said she also heard some stories about RA and will talk about that in their podcast. I don't know if will be only in patreon, I'm not in their patreon :/

 

[steeltowngirl]

Lookie there. KA mopping up after Ricky.

Probably dodged further attention from LE by promising to take him to the hospital.

I wonder if there's a record to confirm whether she did.

Poor Ricky, perfectly harmless, just misunderstood.

He may have said to KA: “I won’t do that again”.
Deja vu.

 

[somequestions]

We don’t know if he had a phone with him at the trails. If he had a phone, and it was the same one he showed to the officer, then it should have turned up in geolocation. We do know that RA knew there were photographs of BG, so if he did have a phone in his hand, he could not be sure if he’d been photographed with it. He covered his bases by admitting to having a phone, and I suspect he did have one, but it was a different phone than what he brought to the CO meeting, and likely a burner phone.

His report to the CO apparently didn’t match facts. His phone should have turned up to corroborate his timeline. If it did not, then he lied, or provided different phone information to DD.

jmo

From what I read, Richard Allen was driving when he got the call from DD, the conservation officer(CO). He pulled over to talk to DD and they decided to meet at the grocery store. The problem is if he is in his car, how would he know to have the burner phone with him to give to DD instead of the real one he had with him on the trail? Did he just keep it in his pocket ready at all times for when LE called to meet up to talk about the tip? Can the burner phone also be used to look up a stock ticker?

 

[Megnut]

Why did DD write down the phone's ID#? Peculiar, no?

What story could RA have told, for that to be the logical answer?

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Lookie there. KA mopping up after Ricky.

Probably dodged further attention from LE by promising to take him to the hospital.

I wonder if there's a record to confirm whether she did.

Poor Ricky, perfectly harmless, just misunderstood.

Agree, definite anger issues exacerbated by alcohol. I wonder what and how often KA covered for this 'poor fragile little egg' over the years?

jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

From what I read, Richard Allen was driving when he got the call from DD, the conservation officer(CO). He pulled over to talk to DD and they decided to meet at the grocery store. The problem is if he is in his car, how would he know to have the burner phone with him to give to DD instead of the real one he had with him on the trail? Did he just keep it in his pocket ready at all times for when LE called to meet up to talk about the tip? Can the burner phone also be used to look up a stock ticker?

RBBM

I've never seen that stated in MSM, do you happen to have a link to that? I was under the impression RA was at home and refused DD's offer to come to LE HQ or have DD come to his home when DD called him.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

With this case two months post conviction, I've been expecting people to come forward with negative info about RA's possible drinking problem. So far, I haven't seen any coworkers noting bruises on his wife, any coworkers commenting on a hung-over RA or days missed, no friends of the daughter talking about how he abused her. No neighbors talking about fights/yelling. He has not even one drunk-driving arrest. I'm puzzled.

I very much believe it's coming in the months ahead. JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don't think his phone was anywhere near the scene that day

We know from the trial that they used lists of phone numbers in the broad area to identity potential witness lists. These lists were longer than the witnesses we saw.

AFAIK, RAs number was not in those lists. IMO that is because his phone was never in the area.

Which makes sense because only an idiot would take their turned on phone to a double murder.

It happens all the time by perps (that and Walmart CCTV hah). RA is no genius and definitely qualifies for idiocy.

I think might have had a specific phone he used for questionable purposes. He probably did not have it active at the CS, but may have used it days later when he gave the info. to DD after deleting any incriminating information on it.

I don't recall that LE ever downloaded any phone of RA's?

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

While I agree some people are that dumb, i think he would have been caught up in the sweep if he had a phone with him that was connected to the towers. Every other phone seems to have been run down. I also had the understanding that many of the phones they came up with from the dumps were not even at the trails.

Maybe one day someone will ask the FBI Cast dude about all this. But i suspect it's only of academic interest to people like us because RA was never in those lists. If he were, then that evidence would have come up at trial.

MOO