GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #219

[somequestions]

From Day 6 of the trial, I recall the search warrant from RA's house citing a blue Carhartt Jacket. Not saying this was the actual jacket seen in the video but not surprised that a blue Carhartt was located in the entry closet.

Also, the only Carhartt I recall with snaps does indeed have a zipper but it's well covered by the placard so barely visible on a dark jacket. I think the only Carhartt in our house without a zipper is the "Chore Coat" with the metal buttons and button holes down the front.


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Day 6 | DELPHI DEBRIEF​

Search Warrant is discussed at about the 7:30 minute mark.

Enhanced 43- second video from LG's cell phone is discussed at about the 21-minute mark including the words heard by the reporters from AW and LG before RA states 'down the hill.'

Carhartt

Was the jacket found in Richard Allen's house presented to the jury at trial for them to see? Did that jacket have snaps like the picture of the one you posted above?

 

[Boxer]

I turned my iPad up to full volume - listening to the RAW file off of the defense site. I hear what sounds like a gun racking after AW says "hi", RA has already said "Guys".

I just wonder, did you also slow the video down? Its a speed setting over in the little gear icon menu.

 

[INfisherman]

I just wonder, did you also slow the video down? Its a speed setting over in the little gear icon menu.

No - it’s at 39-40 second mark. RA says "Guys", AW says "Hi", then I hear the rack, a very slight pause & "DTH".

I have since downloaded the video via PC (from the rickallenjustice site) & now have the .mov file on my iPad. I wonder if I can cast this to my tv..

 

[somequestions]

The release of the full bridge guy video at least helps to put the case into perspective even if it does not change anything about the case itself.

There is one aspect of the timing that made me wonder. If the picture Liberty German took of the beginning of the Monon High Bridge was posted at 2:05 to Snapchat, and we know based on the second picture posted at 2:07pm that they were at platform 3, they why did it take all the way until 2:13 pm to get to the end of the bridge in front of them? It seemed like they moved slower across the bridge after the 2:07pm picture of Abigail Williams.

This new video release changes nothing about the case. There is still enough time after 2:07pm for someone to step onto the Monon High Bridge from the northwest side and get to the area the girls were at when Liberty German started recording at 2:13pm.

 

[Seattle1]

Was the jacket found in Richard Allen's house presented to the jury at trial for them to see? Did that jacket have snaps like the picture of the one you posted above?

In the video I posted of Day 6 of the trial, the only reference to RA's coat was the search warrant that lists a blue Carhartt. I'm not aware of any release of exhibits to confirm if any coat was produced at trial.

RA's jacket has been described here as having snaps and no zipper. The image I posted was simply an example of a Carhartt available today with both snaps and a zipper that is not readily visible on a dark jacket.

Not sure what OP is looking for but can't say what Carhartt design exactly was available pre-2017! MOO

 

[FrostedGlass]

If someone has poor eyesight, they should not be reporting upon the facts of video evidence. Put some glasses on or let someone else report upon those facts. IMO


If someone 'missed' the first 3 seconds of the video, how can they give their legal opinion upon it ? Sounds pretty irresponsible, imo.

I think it was a difficult decision and somewhat complicated. But I do understand her reasoning behind keeping it private. The defense had already created a circus and the judge did not want it to be a full blown public clown show. IMO

CORRECT---he appears and is right up close behind Abby

CORRECT, but they are visible

CORRECT, full view of BG


No longer visible because he is right exactly lined up behind an 11 yr old girl. Why does a stranger speed up and come walking up right behind a young girl on a dangerous remote bridge?

The people who were in the gallery were not posting what they saw in a legal capacity as far as I know. I'd like to point out that RA was found guilty based partly on the conflicting testimony of witnesses; that's a legal capacity. Both groups of people were reporting on what they saw. MOO

Unlike us, the gallery didn't have the opportunity to view the video slowed down.

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[Megnut]

The people who were in the gallery were not posting what they saw in a legal capacity as far as I know. I'd like to point out that RA was found guilty based partly on the conflicting testimony of witnesses; that's a legal capacity. Both groups of people were reporting on what they saw. MOO

Unlike us, the gallery didn't have the opportunity to view the video slowed down.

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Am I misunderstanding? He's directly behind Abby. His leg visible along her thigh.

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Am I misunderstanding? He's directly behind Abby. His leg visible along her thigh.

JMO

Yes, if you look closely at a screen cap you can make out the very edge of a leg; in the seconds before that, I don't see him at all. People watching that in real speed could very easily not have seen that.

 

[mrjitty]

Am I misunderstanding? He's directly behind Abby. His leg visible along her thigh.

JMO

what i am struck by watching the video on a laptop is how in your face Bridge Guy is compared to how the original video was described in court by Lauren who says she missed BG the first time.

i suspect some in the galley simply didn’t get a good view of it, because he is unmissable on laptop.

IIRC the jury had laptop with headphones to watch it?

 

[katydid23]

The release of the full bridge guy video at least helps to put the case into perspective even if it does not change anything about the case itself.

There is one aspect of the timing that made me wonder. If the picture Liberty German took of the beginning of the Monon High Bridge was posted at 2:05 to Snapchat, and we know based on the second picture posted at 2:07pm that they were at platform 3, they why did it take all the way until 2:13 pm to get to the end of the bridge in front of them? It seemed like they moved slower across the bridge after the 2:07pm picture of Abigail Williams.

This new video release changes nothing about the case. There is still enough time after 2:07pm for someone to step onto the Monon High Bridge from the northwest side and get to the area the girls were at when Liberty German started recording at 2:13pm.

OK, so let's say someone stepped onto the bridge suddenly. What did Bridge Guy do when that happened? Did he watch as the girls were kidnapped?

Did he try to help? Did he call 911? Did he ever report it? When he saw the news did he call in and report what he saw?

 

[mrjitty]

OK, so let's say someone stepped onto the bridge suddenly. What did Bridge Guy do when that happened? Did he watch as the girls were kidnapped?

Did he try to help? Did he call 911? Did he ever report it? When he saw the news did he call in and report what he saw?

This is where i struggle to understand the Bridge Guy innocence project, even after listening to the Mottas.

As i understand it the general idea is the video shows no abduction and the girls were always planning to go down the hill

 

[katydid23]

The people who were in the gallery were not posting what they saw in a legal capacity as far as I know.

My post was responding to this statement: by mrjitty:

"1. Defence tubers intentionally misled their audiences about the contents of these videos - especially the idea that you could hardly see BG in the video and he was too far away."


It was about Defense you-tubers, who have legions of followers who rely upon their opinions concerning the evidence put forth. If they are going to discuss the video, and create content as an analyst or commentator, they should get their facts straight. IMO

I'd like to point out that RA was found guilty based partly on the conflicting testimony of witnesses; that's a legal capacity. Both groups of people were reporting on what they saw. MOO

Unlike us, the gallery didn't have the opportunity to view the video slowed down.

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Rick Allen - Transparency

This site provides public access to key records, exhibits, and updates related to State of Indiana v. Richard Allen. In response to ongoing requests and in the interest of transparency, all materials are shared in compliance with Indiana's public records laws.

rickallenjustice.com

 

[Boxer]

OK, so let's say someone stepped onto the bridge suddenly. What did Bridge Guy do when that happened? Did he watch as the girls were kidnapped?

Did he try to help? Did he call 911? Did he ever report it? When he saw the news did he call in and report what he saw?

Exactly.

 

[twall]

what i am struck by watching the video on a laptop is how in your face Bridge Guy is compared to how the original video was described in court by Lauren who says she missed BG the first time.

i suspect some in the galley simply didn’t get a good view of it, because he is unmissable on laptop.

IIRC the jury had laptop with headphones to watch it?

To add-Aine said she didn't see BG but Kevin did. They also said the phone goes upside down which I don't see in the recently released video, I see sideways but no upside down.

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JH said on the GH interview the photo of BG released to the public was taken from the enhanced video because the original was "upside down and twisted" so someone stabilized it.

I am not convinced the video I viewed is the original. JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

My post was responding to this statement: by mrjitty:

"1. Defence tubers intentionally misled their audiences about the contents of these videos - especially the idea that you could hardly see BG in the video and he was too far away."


It was about Defense you-tubers, who have legions of followers who rely upon their opinions concerning the evidence put forth. If they are going to discuss the video, and create content as an analyst or commentator, they should get their facts straight. IMO

What earthly good would it do to intentionally mislead their legions of followers when they knew that the video would be released eventually? I think the last thing the "defence tubers" want to do is to make themselves look foolish to their legions.

And now we learn from the above posts that Aine and Lauren didn't see him, either.

 

[Boxer]

This is where i struggle to understand the Bridge Guy innocence project, even after listening to the Mottas.

As i understand it the general idea is the video shows no abduction and the girls were always planning to go down the hill

So is the idea that is Richard Allen, but he isn't doing anything?

 

[mrjitty]

To add-Aine said she didn't see BG but Kevin did. They also said the phone goes upside down which I don't see in the recently released video, I see sideways but no upside down.

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JH said on the GH interview the photo of BG released to the public was taken from the enhanced video because the original was "upside down and twisted" so someone stabilized it.

I am not convinced the video I viewed is the original. JMO

I think upside down may have been an exaggeration as the initial seconds the phone is down, and then clearly films down the bridge full frame with both Abby and Bridge Guy in shot, then swings back down to the ground. Then when it pops back up, BG is isolated in shot slanted at 45 degrees. We've seen people stabilise that shot - which means you lose part of the frame.

Unless the whole time the camera was also upside down and that is what is meant. But then the audience would have seen Abby crossing the bridge upside down - which no one has seen.

So IMO the shot with Abby crossing, and BG clearly close behind Abby must be the original, non-stabilised shot. However the infamous BG frames are clearly taken from the next view of him, which has been stabilised AND zoomed.

IMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes, if you look closely at a screen cap you can make out the very edge of a leg; in the seconds before that, I don't see him at all. People watching that in real speed could very easily not have seen that.

Yes, but that still doesn't make it not true.

 

[mrjitty]

So is the idea that is Richard Allen, but he isn't doing anything?

I have no idea - the whole theory makes no sense to me.

Remember there was a kerfluffle about how the video "showed no abduction" as supposedly admitted at the 3day hearing by law enforcement. Maybe the idea is if there is no visible gun and no provable abduction, the felony abduction charge had to fail.

 

[mrjitty]

What earthly good would it do to intentionally mislead their legions of followers when they knew that the video would be released eventually? I think the last thing the "defence tubers" want to do is to make themselves look foolish to their legions.

And now we learn from the above posts that Aine and Lauren didn't see him, either.

They did see him on the second viewing. The extracted original video was played twice.

it's worth watching Motta's live reaction to it at 3 mins approx. If anyone wants to try to understand the BG innocence theory - then watch further. Personally i do not recommend!

In this video Motta calls Andy Baldwin and confirms this is the original extraction, as does Cara Wieneke. I think that question is done and dusted.

Also the original site which released this video also now says it is the original extraction.