GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #219

[steeltowngirl]

What made her think, at that moment, that he had a gun? Did she turn around on the bridge to look at him? glance over her shoulder? It's been said that the rack wasn't heard until between "hi" and "dth"

I've always thought that Abby crossing the bridge was something special; I just never could decide on what that might have been.

I thought it was Libby facing RA/BG who asked what sounds like ‘(could) that be a gun?’

She could see him.
Many posters here said for years they could see the outline of a gun in his jeans.

jmo

 

[Megnut]

There was likely a exchange before Richard forced them off the bridge.

Abby and Libby are simply too scared and fearful in that audio for there not to have been a exchange before hand.

IMO

I think that exchange, whatever it was, occurred minutes after BB passed the girls.

We know that he let them pass him so he could follow from behind. He gave them enough lag time to feel like he'd left IMO, and then followed fast....

I think he said something, with or without words. Something creepy.

Abby asked if he was behind her -- she didn't say she, they, anyone. She meant RA IMO whom they had encountered already.

And now, gaining on her, she was scared. Hurrying off that rickety trestle. But then they didn't know what to do, I think fearful that trespassing would be bad. I hate that for them.

It's not unlike a predator in a car or a park, asking for directions or help with his lost imaginary puppy, in that moment of indecision, the predator closes the gap and then it's too late.

Easy to second guess, but they didn't know why he was hurrying across the bridge, didn't know it was going to be a matter of (life and) death, just awful what he put them through, the last half hour of their beloved lives.

Collision of depravity and innocence.

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

If Abby and Libby had a planned destination, they would have conditioned on to it. Instead they held back, aware that they had nowhere to go because RA was pressing upon them and everything else was trespassing.

RA forced them into that position. Trapped.

Worse, he knew there was nowhere for them to go, so he timed his approach to overtake Abby before she reached the end of the bridge.

Their mounting fear, palpable.

JMO

She had just finished crossing a really scary bridge walk; all of a sudden there's a 20' drop dth that she has to negotiate. I think it's possible that she could have hesitated a bit to catch her breath and get her nerve up again.

Anyway, that was just some idle thoughts thrown out there. It's never my intent to sway opinion.
MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

I have no idea - the whole theory makes no sense to me.

Remember there was a kerfluffle about how the video "showed no abduction" as supposedly admitted at the 3day hearing by law enforcement. Maybe the idea is if there is no visible gun and no provable abduction, the felony abduction charge had to fail.

RA eventually admitted he had a gun. Even if the girls were not certain he had one, and the gun wasn’t the murder weapon, he brandished a gun, and abducted them.

Guess it’s neither here nor there. Murder charges brought the highest penalty anyhow. As they should.

RA got what he deserved.
Now he has 130 years to enjoy what he earned.

jmo

 

[Boxer]

I think the predator ran up on the boards as he was able to, in his now adrenaline flooded system as he crossed the Rubicon into action.
You can hear that tell tale resonant thickness in his voice.

 

[mrjitty]

In order to create the Bridge Guy walking loop, IMO they took the shot where libby pans back to the bridge with the camera rotated in landscape

So in the 'stabilised' view both camera moves are gone

i.e

no left ---> right and right ——> left panning

remove rotation to reorient the subject

At the same time, the camera is zoomed in which cuts out Abby

This creates the impression of BG walking towards a stable camera. It is such a short loop, because there are very few frames in the original source. i guess less than 2secs …

i think the appeal video gave the impression there would be a lot more of him to see but it looks like libby panned surreptitiously to get him maybe without aiming?

 

[Boxer]

Pretty much every woman knows that it can be scary having an unknown male walking behind them at speed. Often that fear is not founded in anything specific and many men are just trying to get to their destination. But our sure knowledge that if they mean us danger, they will probably be able to overpower us, ensures that most women would be scared in that situation.

Baffled at anyone who thinks the girls wouldn't be fearful.

Right. Like the current contrived "controversy" about the one runner girl that bashed another runner over the head with a baton during a relay race.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I don't think the girls would have waited if he had of done something that unsettled them before they were at the bridge. Also the way libby says "hi" makes me think that as well as this being the first words they said to eachother. they may well have seen him and yes may well have been unsettled by his appearance especially if he was "on a mission". I think they would have run when first seeing him if they had interacted before. why do people think they interacted before? jmo though.

 

[Boxer]

In order to create the Bridge Guy walking loop, IMO they took the shot where libby pans back to the bridge with the camera rotated in landscape

So in the 'stabilised' view both camera moves are gone

i.e

no left ---> right and right ——> left panning

remove rotation to reorient the subject

At the same time, the camera is zoomed in which cuts out Abby

This creates the impression of BG walking towards a stable camera. It is such a short loop, because there are very few frames in the original source. i guess less than 2secs …

i think the appeal video gave the impression there would be a lot more of him to see but it looks like libby panned surreptitiously to get him maybe without aiming?

Agree she was sneaking a photo of him and trying to create a social escape at the same time.

 

[Boxer]

I don't think the girls would have waited if he had of done something that unsettled them before they were at the bridge. Also the way libby says "hi" makes me think that as well as this being the first words they said to eachother. they may well have seen him and yes may well have been unsettled by his appearance especially if he was "on a mission". I think they would have run when first seeing him if they had interacted before. why do people think they interacted before? jmo though.

They passed him to get on the bridge. Many possibilities that only a full confession will reveal.

Maybe he pretended to be urinating out in the trees with his back to trail, or just walked by them on the trail apparently on his way.

 

[mrjitty]

Against my better judgement i went back to Mottas daily trial wrap for the Bridge Guy video

As far as i can understand it the theory is that the video does not show an abduction (you don’t see a gun). This idea was created by Auger at the 3 day hearing in cross of Cecil. The D-fluencers appear to latch on to that, pre trial.

According to Ali Motta, the idea of the video being linked to the abduction comes from the girls being murdered by 14:32. in other words this must be the abduction given they were killed within about 15 mins of the events in the video.

But that’s where the 2nd location comes in. in the 2nd location theory the girls jump in a car and go elsewhere while the phone is dark. Originally it is claimed this was until the 3am hour. but now we know messages were received in the late afternoon. But let's go with that. Maybe the idea then is they are not abducted in the video at all. But went willingly? With someone they knew?

Also according to Motta, BG is 25 yards back ( a million miles he says at one point) and contests if BG could get to the end of the bridge to be they man saying down the hill. So a related theory is there is more than one man (and maybe 3 girls??). Though now Motta seems to believe BG was only about 10 yards behind Abby. (A consensus view IMO).

I suppose you can form your own theory on how credible any of this is. My main issue is I don't believe the D suggested any of this? And even if BG doesn't have a gun and isn't the man speaking - then what? Is the idea that BG is RA and he saw it all? Then what exactly?

What from 1 hour 11 mins approx.

ETA: Heavy gardening, pruning and cleanup

MOO - based on listening to a lot of hours on my weekend runs!

 

[Salah11]

against my better judgement i went back to a mottas daily wrap for the Bridge Guy video

as far as i can understand it the theory is that the video does not show an abduction (you don’t see a gun).

the idea of abduction comes from the girls being murdered by 14:32. in other words this must be the abduction given they died within 15 mins.

But that’s where the 2nd location comes in. in the D theory the girls jump in a car and go elsewhere while the phone is dark. originally it is claimed this was until the 3am hour. but now we know messages were received in the late afternoon.

also according to Motta, BG is 25 yard back ( a million miles he says at one point) and contests if BG could get to the end of the bridge to be they man saying down the hill.

This shows what a bunch of clowns they are.

It’s a clear abduction caught on camera as he orders them “down the hill” and walks them to their deaths.

 

[Vern]

The people who were in the gallery were not posting what they saw in a legal capacity as far as I know. I'd like to point out that RA was found guilty based partly on the conflicting testimony of witnesses; that's a legal capacity. Both groups of people were reporting on what they saw. MOO

Unlike us, the gallery didn't have the opportunity to view the video slowed down.

Bg not there:

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The jurors get to weigh the testimony they hear in determing their verdict.

The Defense had opportunity galore, they supoanaed BW for example, to reappear; had the disclosure.

They failed.

/end of legal capacity. IMO.

 

[Boxer]

This shows what a bunch of clowns they are.

It’s a clear abduction caught on camera as he orders them “down the hill” and walks them to their deaths.

I can't imagine how jaundiced a mind must be to distort what is agonizingly clear to be seen and heard.

 

[Sweeper2000]

They passed him to get on the bridge. Many possibilities that only a full confession will reveal.

Maybe he pretended to be urinating out in the trees with his back to trail, or just walked by them on the trail apparently on his way.

im certain they did pass eachother and a strong tendency to believe they did see him, but the reason why people think they interacted before the video is what im wondering? really sounds to me like that was the first time they talked.

 

[Boxer]

im certain they did pass eachother and a strong tendency to believe they did see him, but the reason why people think they interacted before the video is what im wondering? really sounds to me like that was the first time they talked.

Only Richard Allen knows.

 

[Seattle1]

On Day 6 of the Trial, this recap by WTHR/News 13 reporters describes what the jurors saw and heard in the courtroom when the enhanced 43- second cell phone video was played for them.

Take note that in Court on Day 6, the defense did not dispute Bridge Guy (RA) was not on the bridge behind Abby but that the video does not show his mouth and/or his lips moving as proof the words "down the hill" came from the mouth of Bridge Guy/RA.

Also, Reporters definitely heard "that be a gun" from Libby but there's no mention of hearing a gun being racked which I've also never heard when listening. (Makes more sense to me that the gun being racked would have occurred near the bodies where a bullet was located). JMO

Begin video at about 21 minute mark:

10/24/24

Day 6 | DELPHI DEBRIEF​

Partial Transcript of YT video:

21:25
I want to mention something else that happened in court today. It was a piece of video that we got to see.
21:32
Uh and, and this is a video that we've heard about and actually video that most of us have all seen before.
21:38
It's the down the hill video is uh and Bridge guy video is what we've heard. It referred to as
21:45
video that Libby German took on her cell phone on the day of the murders,
21:51
presumably, it appears just moments before the murders took place.
21:56
Uh State police were able to recover her cell phone, it was actually under
22:03
Abby Williams body at the crime scene. They recovered it, they downloaded the video and
22:08
this is the video that was put out to the public to ask for help in trying to identify who the murderer was.
22:15
Today. We got to see really enhanced images from that video and the jury got to see it too.
22:22
We're talking about a 43 2nd video. We got to see that earlier this week,
22:28
but today we got to see what investigators have been working off of. The. Sheriff said he has seen this video hundreds of times
22:37
and we got to see in that video, um how they're able to really zoom in the see bridge
22:43
guy as he's walking up behind Abby Williams on the bridge and they were able to isolate,
22:50
um using enhancements and, and, and software. They were able to really isolate the audio, get rid of the background noise
22:58
to enhance what the, the words are on there. And so today, the jury got to see and hear that inside the courtroom
23:07
and I'm gonna tell you what they had to ha what, what's said. Now on there again, we could see bridge guy much more closely than we have seen before.
23:16
And Sheriff Tony Liggett, he told the jury, um, what he hears on that video,
23:23
he hears Abby saying is he right here? Don't leave me up here. And this is when
23:29
you can see the, the image of Bridge guy behind her and then Libby says
23:35
that be a gun. There's no path here. And then we hear Bridge guys say guys,
23:42
one of the girls says hi. Then the man says down the hill. So, um
23:48
this is some chilling video again. We've, we've seen it, we've heard it before,

 

[Boxer]

RA had already had a few beers -
Rushing by the first set of girls would be typical camoflage behaviour to avoid looking drunk.
I think the junk in his coat are his: P226 handgun, work box cutter and a couple of cans of malt liquor in a thin style white grocery sack.

 

[ClearAhead]

RA had already had a few beers -
Rushing by the first set of girls would be typical camoflage behaviour to avoid looking drunk.
I think the junk in his coat are his: P226 handgun, work box cutter and a couple of cans of malt liquor in a thin style white grocery sack.

Yes you could be right, certainly possible it’s the white handles of a flimsy white grocery bag holding RA’s liquid courage, err liquor, sticking out of the top of his coat!

Alcoholics who start drinking early in the day rarely abstain by mid afternoon. JMO

 

[Vern]

OK, so let's say someone stepped onto the bridge suddenly. What did Bridge Guy do when that happened? Did he watch as the girls were kidnapped?

Did he try to help? Did he call 911? Did he ever report it? When he saw the news did he call in and report what he saw?

I thought it was Libby facing RA/BG who asked what sounds like ‘(could) that be a gun?’

She could see him.
Many posters here said for years they could see the outline of a gun in his jeans.

jmo

The gun was even identified here on the site as a P226 based on it's profile years ago.

I hear the racking of the gun immediately after "Guys" is spoken. The gun was out of his jacket in order for him to do so. Libby brings up the gun because she saw the gun. The girls are obviously distressed as noted by their tone, breathing and Libby's running and tearful face. Richard Allen held that gun on them as he ordered, then marched them down the hills to the site where he brutally murdered them.

Richard Allen is the one who pulled that gun on them and ordered them down the hill. There are no other perps in the vicinity to have been responsible for it. Not on camera, not off camera, not heard off camera and NOT brought up by the girls on camera. Nada.

Richard Allen - he, himself, alone. He is a monster, a double child killer and he is exctly were he deserves to be for the remainder of his filthy life.

IMO.

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