GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #219

[StarryStarryNight]

I do not understand at all what you are asking. I think the person in the bridge guy video released is the person who probably kidnapped and murdered Abigail Williams and Liberty German. If they were not that person, they would have to be a material witness to the actual kidnapping.

I do not think RL or KK is involved.

I do not think there are multiple kidnappers.

I do not think Odinist religious people are involved.

I do not know what all the youtuber podcast people innocence positions are regarding Richard Allen. The more I find out about the case, the more I think Richard Allen is probably guilty. The jury made their decision.

I do think police should have done a better job investigating to make sure that someone else did not come up from the southeast side, pass the girls while they were standing on a platform acknowledging his presence, and then turn around and come after them on the Monon High Bridge.

The question is at what point did the girls notice bridge guy on the bridge and when they first noticed him did they notice him in front of them or behind them? Liberty German had to have communicated his presence to Abigail Williams at some point. Abigail Williams does not turn around on the video and if you have ever tried turning your head around to see someone directly behind you it is very difficult without actually turning your entire body around.

There are 6 platforms on the Monon High Bridge. It is certainly very possible that sometime after platform 3 someone (bridge guy Richard Allen) got on the bridge from the northwest side and followed Abigail Williams and Liberty German to the other side. Unfortunately, there is only documentation with the bridge guy video from platform 6 according to the video.

I would say that you have no idea how hard LE investigated whether someone came from the SE side. You are making assumptions that frankly are moot anyway. Made that way by trial evidence and a guilty verdict, not to mention Libby’s own video that clearly shows RA was the only person there at the time of their abduction.
I am puzzled by your question about when the girls first noticed RA and statement about how hard it is to turn around and look at someone. I mean, really, why does that matter? Who the h#ll cares? RA is close behind them, closing fast. He and he alone. RA put himself on that bridge and there he remains.
I don’t understand why this matters.

 

[Boxer]

why butt first?

I think he grabbed his gun by its slide as he got out of his car and put it butt first in his jacket's slash pocket to avoid it wagging back and forth as he walked. The heavier butt with a magazine in it would be closer to his midline.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Yes, he talked to Libby when she was at a sleepover. Also he admits making plans to meet her the day of their murders.

can you quote that pls cant find it. i know he comd with libby but no deets.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Yes, he talked to Libby when she was at a sleepover. Also he admits making plans to meet her the day of their murders.

KAK admitted recently that when he told Libby’s friends, who he also was grooming as anthony_shots, he had plans to meet Libby that day, he lied in order to continue grooming her friends using the anthony_shots persona. He was showing false compassion hoping for personal gain.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I think he grabbed his gun by its slide as he got out of his car and put it butt first in his jacket's slash pocket to avoid it wagging back and forth as he walked. The heavier butt with a magazine in it would be closer to his midline.

is that due to the picture with the guns outline? why in the pocket qnd not the in the belt?

 

[Seattle1]

3/15/25

The Delphi Murders and the Mystery of "Bridge Guy" | Analyzing the Video and the Height Question​

 

[Boxer]

is that due to the picture with the guns outline? why in the pocket qnd not the in the belt?

Yes.
And maybe it was problematic some way walking with it in his bagged out jeans waistband. He put it in his pocket that way for some reason.
A P226 weighs about 36 ounces when loaded.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Yes.
And maybe it was problematic some way walking with it in his bagged out jeans waistband. He put it in his pocket that way for some reason.
A P226 weighs about 36 ounces when loaded.

yeh i thought it might be uncomfortable to wear there as well. there is also perhaps less reason to conceal thoroughly when in a forest as well. i don't know aboutthat pic though, presumably it would be better to have it barrel down and mag pointed up, that way its less bouncey due to tighter clothing and you dont have the barrel banging just the relatively lighter mag? unless its a tight jacket anyway and no bounce involved really, you also see the way he walks with his hand kind of propping the gun up in the pocket in the pic ? that would secure it as well and is odd for where he is on the bridge. makes more sense to have hands out for balance

 

[Boxer]

yeh i thought it might be uncomfortable to wear there as well. there is also perhaps less reason to conceal thoroughly when in a forest as well. i don't know aboutthat pic though, presumably it would be better to have it barrel down and mag pointed up, that way its less bouncey due to tighter clothing and you dont have the barrel banging just the relatively lighter mag? unless its a tight jacket anyway and no bounce involved really, you also see the way he walks with his hand kind of propping the gun up in the pocket in the pic ? that would secure it as well and is odd for where he is on the bridge. makes more sense to have hands out for balance

Seems like hands out would be good, but all pics of men I see on the bridge seem to have their hands in their pockets.

 

[ClearAhead]

3/15/25

The Delphi Murders and the Mystery of "Bridge Guy" | Analyzing the Video and the Height Question​

Ha, just as I suspected, there was a good reason the D didn’t even attempt to use the video to prove BG was taller than RA, no point incriminating their client. This video with an informal but logical height estimation puts BG at about Abby’s height…..who was 5’4”. Interesting!

 

[gremlin444]

I think he grabbed his gun by its slide as he got out of his car and put it butt first in his jacket's slash pocket to avoid it wagging back and forth as he walked. The heavier butt with a magazine in it would be closer to his midline.

Thank you so much for that explanation! It has been driving me crazy every time I look at the photo.

 

[mrjitty]

^^rsbm

Hear, hear!

I did not know of these parties before this case but have to think the lack of transparency by the Indiana District Court greatly impacted and/or influenced this behavior by professionals, right? That said, I'm shocked how more than four months since the verdict, the public has only a leaked video.

Yes I think it's difficult because you don't know whether what is being said is independent thinking by the D-fluencer or actually is coming from the defence based on discovery / strategy etc and they can use that to blur the line in giving the impression that opinions are based on inside knowledge. We all heard for months the phone had been turned off at 2.32, yet at trial we learned it received messages in the afternoon and they always knew that.

I am not sure what the answer is, when the defence was also clearly trying to pursue a jury nullification strategy ...

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

It's remarkable to me they didn't have their own video expert

Yes, they surely could have hired one with their money grab fund of $40k+ IMO

 

[Boxer]

Yes, they surely could have hired one with their money grab fund of $40k+ IMO

Right - they need an audit, it's the public's money.
I want a line item audit of their spending released to the public.

That money provided to ensure people without money can mount an actual defense, not muck around for solely for legal appeal grounds (i.e. force a technicality) for the whole trial.

 

[somequestions]

I decided to write a post about what this new bridge guy video reveals concerning timing in Abby and Libby's case. It is based on assumptions and speculation so you can come to your own opinion.

1. How many minutes would it take bridge guy to get across the bridge without stopping? My guesstimate has it taking about 4 minutes 19 seconds based on his pace in the video. From platform 6 to the end it took about 37 seconds so that is how I estimated it. Bridge guy does not get off the bridge until about 16-17 seconds after Abby if you listen for the stones and can see the shadow moving by at the same time. Bridge guy was very slow in catching up to Abby based on the pace in the video.

2. What do the 2:05 and 2:07pm posted pictures of the Monon High Bridge reveal about Abby and Libby's pace across the bridge? If the location of the 2:05pm Snapchat picture is at the beginning and the location of the 2:07pm picture is at platform 3, that would be 1 minute 48 seconds or about 2 minutes between each picture. My guess based purely on speculation is that even though we do not know the exact times the pictures were taken (only the post times) I think the pictures had to be taken very shortly before they were posted to Snapchat.

3. How many minutes would it take Abby and Libby to get across the bridge without stopping?
You could speculate the total time was a little over 8 minutes total. All I can speculate is that if they are at platform 3 after only 2 minutes, they are walking across the bridge about the same pace as bridge guy at that point. For some reason, Abby and Libby's pace slowed down after platform 3. This could be for any number of reasons. Maybe they both got to platform 4 and stopped to talk about how nice it is to be off school while overlooking the valley or maybe they decided to rest for a few minutes at that point? They did not see bridge guy (Richard Allen) get onto the bridge from the northwest side and that is how he was able to catch up to them. Or even if he did get on the bridge on the northwest side he was far enough away that it did not make them feel uncomfortable until he got within a platform's length of their location. I think you have to also consider the possibility that they got onto a platform to wait for someone to pass them walking from the southeast side towards them. Walking from platform 3 to the end, it took Abby and Libby at least 6 minutes. In those 6 minutes, Libby did not take any more pictures except for the video at the end that we have all now seen.

Based on the 2:07pm picture of Abigail Williams and nobody on the platforms in the background facing back towards the north and based on it taking bridge guy about 4 1/2 minutes to walk across the bridge without stopping, I would speculate bridge guy walked onto the bridge at sometime between 2:07 and 2:09pm if the video was taken at 2:13pm. If he walked on at 2:07 or 2:08pm he had a little more time to stop on a platform and look around or slow his pace.

4. What does this prove? It proves nothing about the case, but it provides a more complete picture of the times when all taken together. I wanted to post it to provide some perspective when taking everything into consideration regarding the pictures and video in this case.

In my opinion, the interesting part was that if you remove whatever was happening between 2:07 and 2:13pm between Abby and Libby's pace, then bridge guy and Abby seemed to be moving across the bridge at around the same pace. Libby seemed a little faster as she could stay a full platform's length ahead based on the video.

Why did Abby and Libby's pace slow down after platform 3 at around 2:07pm?

 

[somequestions]

In the video I posted of Day 6 of the trial, the only reference to RA's coat was the search warrant that lists a blue Carhartt. I'm not aware of any release of exhibits to confirm if any coat was produced at trial.

RA's jacket has been described here as having snaps and no zipper. The image I posted was simply an example of a Carhartt available today with both snaps and a zipper that is not readily visible on a dark jacket.

Not sure what OP is looking for but can't say what Carhartt design exactly was available pre-2017! MOO

If the jacket found during Richard Allen's search warrant of his home had snaps, then I think that would be at least one distinctive feature that would lead me to believe that it is him in Liberty German's phone video. It would be nice if that piece of evidence was released to the public.

I agree because there is no way the prosecution would submit a blue jacket to the jury that did not have snaps. There is no way the jury would miss that after looking at the bridge guy video. There is no way even if the jury did miss it that the defense would not point it out to the jury.

 

[gremlin444]

Why did Abby and Libby's pace slow down after platform 3 at around 2:07pm?

As someone who is afraid of heights, I can tell you that I have been in multiple situations where I was able to be convinced to go out on something high but by the time I was halfway across I was going slower and slower because my fear was increasing and I felt like I was going to be sick/pass out/legs refused to take another step because they were so shaky. Sometimes I had to stop at that point and have my friend or family member reassure me and talk me through it before I could continue on to the end.

It could also be that past platform 3, the condition of the bridge worsened and required them to go more slowly to avoid rotted out parts.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I decided to write a post about what this new bridge guy video reveals concerning timing in Abby and Libby's case. It is based on assumptions and speculation so you can come to your own opinion.

1. How many minutes would it take bridge guy to get across the bridge without stopping? My guesstimate has it taking about 4 minutes 19 seconds based on his pace in the video. From platform 6 to the end it took about 37 seconds so that is how I estimated it. Bridge guy does not get off the bridge until about 16-17 seconds after Abby if you listen for the stones and can see the shadow moving by at the same time. Bridge guy was very slow in catching up to Abby based on the pace in the video.

2. What do the 2:05 and 2:07pm posted pictures of the Monon High Bridge reveal about Abby and Libby's pace across the bridge? If the location of the 2:05pm Snapchat picture is at the beginning and the location of the 2:07pm picture is at platform 3, that would be 1 minute 48 seconds or about 2 minutes between each picture. My guess based purely on speculation is that even though we do not know the exact times the pictures were taken (only the post times) I think the pictures had to be taken very shortly before they were posted to Snapchat.

3. How many minutes would it take Abby and Libby to get across the bridge without stopping?
You could speculate the total time was a little over 8 minutes total. All I can speculate is that if they are at platform 3 after only 2 minutes, they are walking across the bridge about the same pace as bridge guy at that point. For some reason, Abby and Libby's pace slowed down after platform 3. This could be for any number of reasons. Maybe they both got to platform 4 and stopped to talk about how nice it is to be off school while overlooking the valley or maybe they decided to rest for a few minutes at that point? They did not see bridge guy (Richard Allen) get onto the bridge from the northwest side and that is how he was able to catch up to them. Or even if he did get on the bridge on the northwest side he was far enough away that it did not make them feel uncomfortable until he got within a platform's length of their location. I think you have to also consider the possibility that they got onto a platform to wait for someone to pass them walking from the southeast side towards them. Walking from platform 3 to the end, it took Abby and Libby at least 6 minutes. In those 6 minutes, Libby did not take any more pictures except for the video at the end that we have all now seen.

Based on the 2:07pm picture of Abigail Williams and nobody on the platforms in the background facing back towards the north and based on it taking bridge guy about 4 1/2 minutes to walk across the bridge without stopping, I would speculate bridge guy walked onto the bridge at sometime between 2:07 and 2:09pm if the video was taken at 2:13pm. If he walked on at 2:07 or 2:08pm he had a little more time to stop on a platform and look around or slow his pace.

4. What does this prove? It proves nothing about the case, but it provides a more complete picture of the times when all taken together. I wanted to post it to provide some perspective when taking everything into consideration regarding the pictures and video in this case.

In my opinion, the interesting part was that if you remove whatever was happening between 2:07 and 2:13pm between Abby and Libby's pace, then bridge guy and Abby seemed to be moving across the bridge at around the same pace. Libby seemed a little faster as she could stay a full platform's length ahead based on the video.

Why did Abby and Libby's pace slow down after platform 3 at around 2:07pm?

How does this work with your speculations? IMO it appears that they stopped walking at 2:08. Then no steps were measured (just distance traveled), then ??

A chart in Cecil’s report outlined the recorded movement for Libby’s phone on February 13, 2017:
1:31 pm – 2:08 pm – 1,682 steps (707.34 meters)
2:08 pm – 2:18 pm – 414.38 meters
2:25 pm – 2:32 pm – 66 steps (50.64 meters)
2:31 pm – two-floor elevation change

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he-was-covered-in-mud-and-blood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/

 

[Boxer]

If the jacket found during Richard Allen's search warrant of his home had snaps, then I think that would be at least one distinctive feature that would lead me to believe that it is him in Liberty German's phone video. It would be nice if that piece of evidence was released to the public.

I agree because there is no way the prosecution would submit a blue jacket to the jury that did not have snaps. There is no way the jury would miss that after looking at the bridge guy video. There is no way even if the jury did miss it that the defense would not point it out to the jury.

7 years had passed.
MOO unless DNA turned up on the seized jacket, it's just an item on a search warrant.

 

[somequestions]

How does this work with your speculations? IMO it appears that they stopped walking at 2:08. Then no steps were measured (just distance traveled), then ??

A chart in Cecil’s report outlined the recorded movement for Libby’s phone on February 13, 2017:
1:31 pm – 2:08 pm – 1,682 steps (707.34 meters)
2:08 pm – 2:18 pm – 414.38 meters
2:25 pm – 2:32 pm – 66 steps (50.64 meters)
2:31 pm – two-floor elevation change

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he-was-covered-in-mud-and-blood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/

2:08pm sound about right to me if they stopped for some reason and this allowed Richard Allen to catch up. My theory is Abby and Libby stopped around platform 4 or 5. Others maybe disagree but I think bridge guy was not going at a pace much faster than the girls. But no one knows the reason Abby and Libby may have stopped on the Monon High Bridge and it still is enough time for bridge guy (Richard Allen) to walk across the entire bridge to get close enough to what was seen on video as recorded by Liberty German.

Thank you for the information.