GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #219

[mrjitty]

On Day 6 of the Trial, this recap by WTHR/News 13 reporters describes what the jurors saw and heard in the courtroom when the enhanced 43- second cell phone video was played for them.

Take note that in Court on Day 6, the defense did not dispute Bridge Guy (RA) was not on the bridge behind Abby but that the video does not show his mouth and/or his lips moving as proof the words "down the hill" came from the mouth of Bridge Guy/RA.

Also, Reporters definitely heard "that be a gun" from Libby but there's no mention of hearing a gun being racked which I've also never heard when listening. (Makes more sense to me that the gun being racked would have occurred near the bodies where a bullet was located). JMO

Begin video at about 21 minute mark:

10/24/24

Day 6 | DELPHI DEBRIEF​

Partial Transcript of YT video:

21:25
I want to mention something else that happened in court today. It was a piece of video that we got to see.
21:32
Uh and, and this is a video that we've heard about and actually video that most of us have all seen before.
21:38
It's the down the hill video is uh and Bridge guy video is what we've heard. It referred to as
21:45
video that Libby German took on her cell phone on the day of the murders,
21:51
presumably, it appears just moments before the murders took place.
21:56
Uh State police were able to recover her cell phone, it was actually under
22:03
Abby Williams body at the crime scene. They recovered it, they downloaded the video and
22:08
this is the video that was put out to the public to ask for help in trying to identify who the murderer was.
22:15
Today. We got to see really enhanced images from that video and the jury got to see it too.
22:22
We're talking about a 43 2nd video. We got to see that earlier this week,
22:28
but today we got to see what investigators have been working off of. The. Sheriff said he has seen this video hundreds of times
22:37
and we got to see in that video, um how they're able to really zoom in the see bridge
22:43
guy as he's walking up behind Abby Williams on the bridge and they were able to isolate,
22:50
um using enhancements and, and, and software. They were able to really isolate the audio, get rid of the background noise
22:58
to enhance what the, the words are on there. And so today, the jury got to see and hear that inside the courtroom
23:07
and I'm gonna tell you what they had to ha what, what's said. Now on there again, we could see bridge guy much more closely than we have seen before.
23:16
And Sheriff Tony Liggett, he told the jury, um, what he hears on that video,
23:23
he hears Abby saying is he right here? Don't leave me up here. And this is when
23:29
you can see the, the image of Bridge guy behind her and then Libby says
23:35
that be a gun. There's no path here. And then we hear Bridge guys say guys,
23:42
one of the girls says hi. Then the man says down the hill. So, um
23:48
this is some chilling video again. We've, we've seen it, we've heard it before,

Great point Seattle!

but that the video does not show his mouth and/or his lips moving as proof the words "down the hill" came from the mouth of Bridge Guy/RA.

I forgot this was one of the core ideas of BG innocence project in my post above.

 

[mrjitty]

I just want to note I obviously do not agree with the Bridge Guy Innocence Project.

Rather, now we can finally see the video ourselves, it is interesting to me to go back to the trial coverage and see what people were trying to sell.

It's my view that the defence floated a lot of trial balloons, before eventually settling on a less conspiratorial approach in closing - more influenced by Rozzi and the prison 'oppression' IMO.

IMO this trial was quite unique in that the defence had it's own D-tubers who shaped coverage extensively. I've never seen anything like this before. The line between attorney and influencer became blurred.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Great point Seattle!



I forgot this was one of the core ideas of BG innocence project in my post above.

Thank you @mrjitty.

In continuing to push for an alternate suspect, I believe this 'invisible lips don't lie' idea is the best the IP has. Never mind that RA contacted LE early and placed himself at the crime scene on the date/time-- verified by others and his vehicle location and that RA confessed to the murders multiple times!

 

[StarryStarryNight]

@MaxLewisTV


#NEW: The family of Libby German has released a statement following Richard Allen’s attorneys filing a formal notice of appeal for his conviction in the Delphi Murders. “His actions continue hurting my family,” Mike Patty said. “The girls deserve better…”

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Oh my gosh! I love these people.
Good for them for calling the coward out. They have a say too. They don't have to sit and take it.

 

[Seattle1]

IMO this trial was quite unique in that the defence had it's own D-tubers who shaped coverage extensively. I've never seen anything like this before. The line between attorney and influencer became blurred.

^^rsbm

Hear, hear!

I did not know of these parties before this case but have to think the lack of transparency by the Indiana District Court greatly impacted and/or influenced this behavior by professionals, right? That said, I'm shocked how more than four months since the verdict, the public has only a leaked video.

 

[gremlin444]

So, for the people who think that the girls had already planned on going down the hill when they reached the end of the bridge (instead of turning and going back across it), how does that fit time-wise with them knowing that Libby's dad would be picking them up back at the parking lot at 3:30? I'm not someone who has studied the maps, so my question is what route are you speculating they were planning on taking that involved going down the hill of their own volition that would get them back to the parking lot at the designated time?

 

[gremlin444]

As for the question of why would Libby be talking about a gun, I and many other people see the gun in Bridge Guy's pocket/under his blue coat in the first photo published of him from the video way back when. IMHO, Abby could have glanced back quickly and seen the outline as he got closer and Libby would have been able to as well. However, I feel that at the time Abby ran off the bridge and Libby said something about a gun, he had just pulled it out from under his coat and it was visible (perhaps holding it down along his leg as opposed to pointing it straight at them just yet).

 

[Megnut]

The jurors get to weigh the testimony they hear in determing their verdict.

The Defense had opportunity galore, they supoanaed BW for example, to reappear; had the disclosure.

They failed.

/end of legal capacity. IMO.

Been saying it for a while now -- ineffective counsel? Nah, ineffective strategy.

Start to finish.

And they can keep talking but they're still finished. Stick a spork in it.

DONE.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

Been saying it for a while now -- ineffective counsel? Nah, ineffective strategy.

Start to finish.

And they can keep talking but they're still finished. Stick a spork in it.

DONE.

JMO

It's remarkable to me they didn't have their own video expert

 

[Boxer]

It's remarkable to me they didn't have their own video expert

And their confidential files locked up.

 

[Arkay]

I think the predator ran up on the boards as he was able to, in his now adrenaline flooded system as he crossed the Rubicon into action.
You can hear that tell tale resonant thickness in his voice.

Yes, to the infinite power! Exactly.

IIRC, (which I may not be as it’s years ago now), but wasn’t this Abby’s first time on this busted up junk bridge? I feel like maybe her mom hadn’t let her go there previously?????

If so, she was probably already nervous. We see her walking across though, trying, apparently slowly and carefully.

She didn’t begin to RUN, however, until this “Bridge Guy,” (clearly Richard Allen), started gaining on her. I’m sure they could hear his footsteps going from a walk into a gallop, and probably that rickety bridge was bouncing around some as he picked up speed.

Just watching it I can feel my back stiffen from the primal fear.

The Rubicon—-good analogy—I wonder when “the die was cast?” Was it when he first was on the bridge, was it when he first noticed A. and L., or maybe when he first grabbed his gun at home on the way to “watch the fish” and “look at his stock ticker?”

He definitely crossed it at least when he swarmed and trapped them.

I believe he brought his gun with the intent to do this damage, but I still wonder whether Abby and Libby were chosen victims or just the victims who were handily (for him) unable to get away? I lean toward the latter as they were probably the random ones whom he was able to pinion against the end of the path.

Your point, @Boxer, about his voice thickening as he got them past the point of no return—-so so so true. How men’s voices drop and thicken when lust or violence takes over.

The women here know what we mean.

IMO

 

[Vern]

^^rsbm

Hear, hear!

I did not know of these parties before this case but have to think the lack of transparency by the Indiana District Court greatly impacted and/or influenced this behavior by professionals, right? That said, I'm shocked how more than four months since the verdict, the public has only a leaked video.

Meh; she acted IAW Indiana State law; doesn't mean that I have to like it.

The public saw the exhibits at trial; doesn't mean that I have to like the fact the rest of us didn't.

BUT, as for "behaviour by professionals" - nope. No excuses for being 'impacted and/or influenced' by that. After all, both the Prosecution and the Defence were subject to exact same circumstances and rules. Only the Prosecution managed to stay 'professional'.

What I'm not shocked by is the fact that leaks of evidence are/continue to come from the defence side. One cannot colour me surprised.

IMO.

-

 

[Boxer]

Yes, to the infinite power! Exactly.

IIRC, (which I may not be as it’s years ago now), but wasn’t this Abby’s first time on this busted up junk bridge? I feel like maybe her mom hadn’t let her go there previously?????

If so, she was probably already nervous. We see her walking across though, trying, apparently slowly and carefully.

She didn’t begin to RUN, however, until this “Bridge Guy,” (clearly Richard Allen), started gaining on her. I’m sure they could hear his footsteps going from a walk into a gallop, and probably that rickety bridge was bouncing around some as he picked up speed.

Just watching it I can feel my back stiffen from the primal fear.

The Rubicon—-good analogy—I wonder when “the die was cast?” Was it when he first was on the bridge, was it when he first noticed A. and L., or maybe when he first grabbed his gun at home on the way to “watch the fish” and “look at his stock ticker?”

He definitely crossed it at least when he swarmed and trapped them.

I believe he brought his gun with the intent to do this damage, but I still wonder whether Abby and Libby were chosen victims or just the victims who were handily (for him) unable to get away? I lean toward the latter as they were probably the random ones whom he was able to pinion against the end of the path.

Your point, @Boxer, about his voice thickening as he got them past the point of no return—-so so so true. How men’s voices drop and thicken when lust or violence takes over.

The women here know what we mean.

IMO

Agree.
To me the crime has always seemed to be by a prepared opportunist.

 

[somequestions]

OK, so let's say someone stepped onto the bridge suddenly. What did Bridge Guy do when that happened? Did he watch as the girls were kidnapped?

Did he try to help? Did he call 911? Did he ever report it? When he saw the news did he call in and report what he saw?

I do not understand at all what you are asking. I think the person in the bridge guy video released is the person who probably kidnapped and murdered Abigail Williams and Liberty German. If they were not that person, they would have to be a material witness to the actual kidnapping.

I do not think RL or KK is involved.

I do not think there are multiple kidnappers.

I do not think Odinist religious people are involved.

I do not know what all the youtuber podcast people innocence positions are regarding Richard Allen. The more I find out about the case, the more I think Richard Allen is probably guilty. The jury made their decision.

I do think police should have done a better job investigating to make sure that someone else did not come up from the southeast side, pass the girls while they were standing on a platform acknowledging his presence, and then turn around and come after them on the Monon High Bridge.

The question is at what point did the girls notice bridge guy on the bridge and when they first noticed him did they notice him in front of them or behind them? Liberty German had to have communicated his presence to Abigail Williams at some point. Abigail Williams does not turn around on the video and if you have ever tried turning your head around to see someone directly behind you it is very difficult without actually turning your entire body around.

There are 6 platforms on the Monon High Bridge. It is certainly very possible that sometime after platform 3 someone (bridge guy Richard Allen) got on the bridge from the northwest side and followed Abigail Williams and Liberty German to the other side. Unfortunately, there is only documentation with the bridge guy video from platform 6 according to the video.

 

[Sweeper2000]

interesting thought, people describe in that video as hearing the gun being cycled, the bullet found near the girls may have been ejected after the act and him flustered so he may have emptied the chamber and just not picked up the bullet. takes the mag out, ejects the bullet for safety and leaves in a hurry. zero chance it would be there randomly and if it was it would have had to have been weathered.

 

[scruffydog]

Agree.
To me the crime has always seemed to be by a prepared opportunist.

I strongly continue to disagree with the opportunist theory. You will never get me to believe that KK didn't arrange for them to be there-for RA. And I thing RL was just too shifty, and at least had knowledge of the plans.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I strongly continue to disagree with the opportunist theory. You will never get me to believe that KK didn't arrange for them to be there-for RA. And I thing RL was just too shifty, and at least had knowledge of the plans.

did kk defo have contact then? know he was arrested but no other deets

 

[Boxer]

interesting thought, people describe in that video as hearing the gun being cycled, the bullet found near the girls may have been ejected after the act and him flustered so he may have emptied the chamber and just not picked up the bullet. takes the mag out, ejects the bullet for safety and leaves in a hurry. zero chance it would be there randomly and if it was it would have had to have been weathered.

Could have caught in his clothing and dislodged later.

Was thinking.
The ejection port on the P226 is on the right side. Since the gun was in his right hand jacket pocket butt first, he would be pulling it out with his right hand by it's barrel.

That puts the ejection port facing him, if he wanted to rack it immediately he would grab the butt with his left hand and the keeping his right hand on the slide, rack it and than change hands if he is right handed.

The round in this case would pop out toward him, it could easily land in his jacket, maybe get settled the folds of plastic bag I think he had stuffed in his jacket (with a few beers in it.)

 

[Sweeper2000]

Could have caught in his clothing and dislodged later.

Was thinking.
The ejection port on the P226 is on the right side. Since the gun was in his right hand jacket pocket butt first, he would be pulling it out with his right hand by it's barrel.

That puts the ejection port facing him, if he wanted to rack it immediately he would grab the butt with his left hand and the keeping his right hand on the slide, rack it and than change hands if he is right handed.

The round in this case would pop out toward him, it could easily land in his jacket, maybe get settled the folds of plastic bag I think he had stuffed in his jacket (with a few beers in it.)

why butt first?

 

[scruffydog]

did kk defo have contact then? know he was arrested but no other deets

Yes, he talked to Libby when she was at a sleepover. Also he admits making plans to meet her the day of their murders.