GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #219

[K9Enzo]

Seeing/hearing their last moments and knowing we can’t save them…. that video is suffocating to watch. imo

….and they had such little girl voices

 

[Megnut]

Is it possible the Libby thought they were going to be yelled at for trespassing, hence her dialogue, loud enough to carry. Us? We aren't going that way, there's no path, we don't trespass...

While fear builds internally...

They were just out for a walk... free day, fresh air, exhilarating adventure.... then suddenly forced to make sense of the senseless, try to identify the threat, assess the intensity, a thousand calculations and recalculations, and a predator who IMO got off on that fear, control, intimidation, force.

What kind of good person does that?

Only the worst of the worst.

JMO

 

[stormymama]

Seeing/hearing their last moments and knowing we can’t save them…. that video is suffocating to watch. imo

That’s an excellent way to describe it: suffocating.

 

[Seattle1]

Is it possible the Libby thought they were going to be yelled at for trespassing, hence her dialogue, loud enough to carry. Us? We aren't going that way, there's no path, we don't trespass...

While fear builds internally...

They were just out for a walk... free day, fresh air, exhilarating adventure.... then suddenly forced to make sense of the senseless, try to identify the threat, assess the intensity, a thousand calculations and recalculations, and a predator who IMO got off on that fear, control, intimidation, force.

What kind of good person does that?

Only the worst of the worst.

JMO

Perhaps it was that LG didn't have permission to cross the bridge, and not fear of trespassing?? What I learned last night on GHI video enhancement episode was that the girls were not expected to cross the bridge on that dreadful date -- only walk the trails (per LG's grandmother). MOO

 

[CrimeSlog]

I can't get caught up fast enough but I wanted to share my thoughts on the video. I hear the concern and fear in their voices and even a nervous or scared whimper. What my gut is telling me is that he may have yelled out to them and rushed up to them on the bridge acting like they were in violation of some rule or were going to be in trouble for being on the bridge. I feel like prior to the video, he directed them to take the path once they get off the bridge. Then she starts recording b/c she's scared and she wants to document it somehow. I feel like Abby wanted to keep going down straight and not take the path like he said but Libby was like well we have to go down this way. When he says Guys, I hear more of a "huh" type of response. I feel like there is more video and photos that weren't released that could possibly shed more light but I just feel like they had some sort of interaction after the girls had started taking pics near the middle of the bridge and before the video began near the end. #MOO

 

[Ssschu]

I remember hearing early on that LG had an opportunity to escape but wouldn't leave AW behind. Now I see what they meant. LG knew something was off so she started filming. She knew they needed to get away from him. AW was much slower crossing the treacherous bridge so RA was able to catch up. Of course, she wasn't going to abandon her friend. So heartbreaking!

 

[Marysmith]

I remember hearing early on that LG had an opportunity to escape but wouldn't leave AW behind. Now I see what they meant. LG knew something was off so she started filming. She knew they needed to get away from him. AW was much slower crossing the treacherous bridge so RA was able to catch up. Of course, she wasn't going to abandon her friend. So heartbreaking!

Extremely. Just so horrible!

 

[somequestions]

After watching the 40 second version of the video again, here is what I noticed.

One question that seems to get asked is what does Abby say when she runs by Libby at about 15-16 seconds? In my opinion, I think Abby says, "Holy cr**!" That could refer to her crossing the Monon High Bridge and also this strange person walking behind her.

This video does have one piece of evidence in it that helps me understand how far bridge guy was behind Abigail Williams. Abby passes in front of Libby at around 16 seconds. Bridge guy does not get off the bridge until at around 33 seconds in the 40 second video. I looked at the shadows.

 

[katydid23]

….and they had such little girl voices

Yah, that really got me. You could hear how young and innocent they were with their little girl sweet voices. It is so heartbreaking to hear and see.

How can the defense sleep at night?

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I think I might have figured it out. abby I think says "is he running" and is a joke which is why you hear a laugh. It would also explain why when she says "hi" there is no detectable sign of her being afraid, she didn't realise the danger enough and was that unafraid to be able to crack a joke about him. There is no fear I can hear in the audio. "running" sounds a bit like "gun" doesnt it and "coming" ? as said by massguy.

Interestingly, I heard utter terror in the clip. Abby seems to be panicking which is coming out through her breathing and you can almost discern her need to “flee” as she moves past. Libby’s very quick “hi” and immediate switch to deflect pretending to be focused on the path, as @MassGuy said previously. They sensed that danger. It was coming from BG, and their instincts were totally on point.

Really brought it home to me how those girls were horribly terrified from that moment on. I just watched the latest Gray Hughes enhanced audio video he put up on X and still can’t make out the exact words, but to me “gun” is absolutely mentioned.

 

[mrjitty]

The murder sheet have released an episode about the video release

They've stated its the stabilised version of the video. This actually makes me even sadder. To think the phone/video was flying around all over the place shows how panicked they were!

I listened to the first 30 mins of this. For me the critical points start at approx 15mins

According to MS:

1. Defence tubers intentionally misled their audiences about the contents of these videos - especially the idea that you could hardly see BG in the video and he was too far away. I haven't yet gone back to the tape myself to check on this, but i note in the first 3mins of his own coverage BM is backtracking on this exact point.

Given the same people seem to cover all the big trials, this provides a baseline method to compare who is covering the content straight, and who is partisan, IMO. Which ever version of the video this is, it has to be clear that BG is right there, and arrives at the end of the bridge before the girls can make a getaway. There is also pretty clearly no one else around.

2. The release of this video is obviously coordinated according to MS, but appears to make no logical sense. As the reaction shows this has tended to cut against the defence narrative at trial. Why was this done? And why was there no accompanying release info of which exhibit this even is? Kevin at MS speculates maybe this is actually another D leak and not the court released exhibits? To promote this new website? I kind of buy Kevin's idea that even the D would not release the video this way.

My own comment. Defence tubers continue to spawn new theories that were simply not made at trial. If any of these arguments had any rational basis, why did the D not make them?

MOO

 

[Andieinsyd]

2. The release of this video is obviously coordinated according to MS, but appears to make no logical sense. As the reaction shows this has tended to cut against the defence narrative at trial. Why was this done? And why was there no accompanying release info of which exhibit this even is? Kevin at MS speculates maybe this is actually another D leak and not the court released exhibits? To promote this new website? I kind of buy Kevin's idea that even the D would not release the video this way.

My own comment. Defence tubers continue to spawn new theories that were simply not made at trial. If any of these arguments had any rational basis, why did the D not make them?

MOO

Respectfully snipped by me.
This website appears as Judge Gull denies the last motions of the trial defence. Seems to me that they are now no longer RAs defence team.

So how does one keep riding their wave? Perhaps their supporters set up an anonymous website - and I strongly suspect that they will continue to drip feed trial information here to keep interest in the case. Does it really matter to them if it shows RA as guilty or innocent any more? Like the go fund me, I think that they will stay one step removed but will be looking to gain from this site. Maybe they will set it up as members only once they have garnered enough interest.

My thoughts and musings only - could be a long way off.

 

[mrjitty]

Respectfully snipped by me.
This website appears as Judge Gull denies the last motions of the trial defence. Seems to me that they are now no longer RAs defence team.

So how does one keep riding their wave? Perhaps their supporters set up an anonymous website - and I strongly suspect that they will continue to drip feed trial information here to keep interest in the case. Does it really matter to them if it shows RA as guilty or innocent any more? Like the go fund me, I think that they will stay one step removed but will be looking to gain from this site. Maybe they will set it up as members only once they have garnered enough interest.

My thoughts and musings only - could be a long way off.

Kevin of MS speculated this will be another fundraiser site and they've used the video to promote it.

 

[iamshadow21]

Kevin of MS speculated this will be another fundraiser site and they've used the video to promote it.

If this is true, then as much as it irks me to say it, I wish that they'd just step back and self publish the book full of conspiracy theories they're desperate to, so that I could deliberately not buy it. But they seem determined to try to lay complete waste to their careers and salt the earth while scamming the truthers for what they can.

May they reap what they sow.

MOO

 

[pseudo_hum]

Kevin of MS speculated this will be another fundraiser site and they've used the video to promote it.

IMO, Some people have no shame.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I listened to the first 30 mins of this. For me the critical points start at approx 15mins

According to MS:

1. Defence tubers intentionally misled their audiences about the contents of these videos - especially the idea that you could hardly see BG in the video and he was too far away. I haven't yet gone back to the tape myself to check on this, but i note in the first 3mins of his own coverage BM is backtracking on this exact point.

Given the same people seem to cover all the big trials, this provides a baseline method to compare who is covering the content straight, and who is partisan, IMO. Which ever version of the video this is, it has to be clear that BG is right there, and arrives at the end of the bridge before the girls can make a getaway. There is also pretty clearly no one else around.

2. The release of this video is obviously coordinated according to MS, but appears to make no logical sense. As the reaction shows this has tended to cut against the defence narrative at trial. Why was this done? And why was there no accompanying release info of which exhibit this even is? Kevin at MS speculates maybe this is actually another D leak and not the court released exhibits? To promote this new website? I kind of buy Kevin's idea that even the D would not release the video this way.

My own comment. Defence tubers continue to spawn new theories that were simply not made at trial. If any of these arguments had any rational basis, why did the D not make them?

MOO

In all fairness, not everyone has good eyesight for distances. It's possible that some were honestly reporting what they saw. If someone missed the first 3 seconds of video, they really could have missed seeing him the first time. It's too bad for all of us that this judge chose not to live stream the trial.
I slowed the video down to the slowest option and here's what I saw:
.04: he appears
.05: he disappears
.06: his legs can barely be seen
.07: he totally disappears
.09 - .010: full view of him
.012: no longer visible

Rick Allen - Transparency

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[FrostedGlass]

I think the following quotes from the article are interesting. Kouns thinks he notices different versions. The quote: "There's no path going there..." is in conflict with what we were led to believe what was said = "The path ends here." It sounds to me like they were planning on going down the hill to somewhere.

INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — Former FBI agent Doug Kouns says the voice in the Delphi Murders‘ “bridge guy” video sounds different than the version released in 2017 by police.
...
When Kouns looked at that, did he think that voice is definitively Allen?
“I don’t personally believe so,” Kouns said.

Kouns also picked up on something else in the video: Abby and Libby talking about there not being a path.
“There’s no path going there so we have to go down the hill,” said one of the girls in the newly released video.

Former FBI agent analyses voices heard in Delphi Murders' 'bridge guy' video

Former FBI agent Doug Kouns claims the voice of man in the Delphi Murders' "bridge guy" video released Wednesday differs from the 2017 limited release.

www.wishtv.com

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Some folks still have questions about the trial and that’s all fine and good, but they need to realize that, like it or not, the vile YouTubers who mock dead children’s last moments, and “don’t give a s#%t” about releasing crime scene photos, these people are your spokesmen/women. They need to be disavowed by good people with real questions.

Edit: needed to

 

[mrjitty]

I am going to go and listen back what Motta and Burkhart originally said about the video and compare to HTC

 

[steeltowngirl]

They sensed that danger. It was coming from BG, and their instincts were totally on point.

Agree. It hurts to know the girls were trapped and unable to act upon their survival signal. The “Hi” sounds almost polite to RA-BG, in that way women will do when we are trying to de-escalate a situation, or not jump to conclusions that a strange man may be trying to harm us. He was armed, and the bridge was too dangerous to react, but IF ONLY the girls could have kicked or pushed that SOB right off that bridge.

I’ve seen it recommended many times on threads - every woman should read ‘The Gift of Fear’ by Gavin de Becker. Every mother should instill in their daughters that they should trust their instincts.

jmo