GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #219

[susane7]

I am going to go and listen back what Motta and Burkhart originally said about the video and compare to HTC

Yesterday Lauren said that at the first time the video was upside down, she can't see BG. But at the afernoon they passed the video again (not sure if was the stabilized version) and she saw BG clearly close to Abby. She never said BG was far from the girls, just said she can't see him at the first because it was difficult.

From what I remember, Motta said he can't see BG at first but then I think he insisted BG was really far from Abby, and implied it was possible BG is a innocent passerby because he was so far away (IMO he said that because it became clear that BG=RA). Andrea I don't know because I refuse to gave her clicks, I know she was one of the few saying there wasn't blood at the crime scene, she isn't credible IMO...

 

[Boxer]

Agree. It hurts to know the girls were trapped and unable to act upon their survival signal. The “Hi” sounds almost polite to RA-BG, in that way women will do when we are trying to de-escalate a situation, or not jump to conclusions that a strange man may be trying to harm us. He was armed, and the bridge was too dangerous to react, but IF ONLY the girls could have kicked or pushed that SOB right off that bridge.

I’ve seen it recommended many times on threads - every woman should read ‘The Gift of Fear’ by Gavin de Becker. Every mother should instill in their daughters that they should trust their instincts.

jmo

The gift would be if they had not gotten on the bridge.

He saw them seconds after the witness passed them on the trail, as they ambling towards bridge.
He got off, passing them normally as if he was on his way the turned around.
That is where being young might have fooled them into trusting a performance, instead of having the "Creep, head home now" alert.

He also might have seen them and actually had time to hide, since they were ambling, to the west side of the abutment.

 

[Megnut]

The gift would be if they had not gotten on the bridge.

He saw them seconds after the witness passed them on the trail, as they ambling towards bridge.
He got off, passing them normally as if he was on his way the turned around.
That is where being young might have fooled them into trusting a performance, instead of having the "Creep, head home now" alert.

He also might have seen them and actually had time to hide, since they were ambling, to the west side of the abutment.

It's all so sad. He took advantage of them. Their innocence, their indecision. He stole every advantage.

They didn't know they were twenty minutes away from dead. Were they supposed to charge him? On the bridge? For making them uncomfortable? 70 feet up?

Poor girls, it was clear they didn't know what to do, or what he wanted, and then he was upon them, with a gun. I can't even imagine the terror.

The buddy system is supposed to work.

Then comes along Richard Allen. An affront to humanity.

They were just little girls.

JMO

 

[Vaderman]

Motta said he can't see BG at first but then I think he insisted BG was really far from Abby, and implied it was possible BG is a innocent passerby because he was so far away

There is nothing innocent about the man stalking Abby. He looks more like he's up to something in the full video than he does in the carefully cropped version.

 

[Salah11]

I wonder if he will ever have some realisation and just confess to why he decided to do what he did that day.

 

[Boxer]

I wonder if he will ever have some realisation and just confess to why he decided to do what he did that day.

He tried. His wife and mother told him he didnt do it, and his defense attorney told hom how to minimize the impact of his attempts with crazy behavior.

 

[Boxer]

There is nothing innocent about the man stalking Abby. He looks more like he's up to something in the full video than he does in the carefully cropped version.

Exactly.

 

[steeltowngirl]

The gift would be if they had not gotten on the bridge.

The REAL gift would have been if RA had never gotten on the bridge.

If only:
RA had just went to lunch with his mother.
Or, drank himself into a stupor at noon and passed out at home.
Or, drank himself into a stupor and fell off the bridge.

jmo

 

[Salah11]

He tried. His wife and mother told him he didnt do it, and his defense attorney told hom how to minimize the impact of his attempts with crazy behavior.

Yes he unfortunately drunk their cool-aid. But he is the one now rotting away by himself in jail so maybe at some point he will get some clarity.

One can only hope.

 

[mrjitty]

Yesterday Lauren said that at the first time the video was upside down, she can't see BG. But at the afernoon they passed the video again (not sure if was the stabilized version) and she saw BG clearly close to Abby. She never said BG was far from the girls, just said she can't see him at the first because it was difficult.

Thanks - this is what MS are saying as well. So maybe this is the intermediate version of the video with some stablisation and rotation.

However Wieneke has the tweet that was posted upthread saying the Attorneys (assume this is Baldwin and Rozzi?) released it, and it is the original video. Also according to MS, they have an email from the appellate lawyers saying this is all nothing to do with them. So I assume CW then does know the attorneys were behind this site and that it is the original?

From what I remember, Motta said he can't see BG at first but then I think he insisted BG was really far from Abby, and implied it was possible BG is a innocent passerby because he was so far away (IMO he said that because it became clear that BG=RA). Andrea I don't know because I refuse to gave her clicks, I know she was one of the few saying there wasn't blood at the crime scene, she isn't credible IMO...

This is what I recall as well - I called it the Bridge Guy Innocence Project and I agree with you the motivation was precisely because it has to be Allen.

I also never listened to Burkhart so I will chase that down.

 

[somequestions]

I wonder if he will ever have some realisation and just confess to why he decided to do what he did that day.

That would be nice. Then this case could end. Even confessing to being the bridge guy in Liberty German's phone video would be enough.

In my opinion, the release of the 43 second video does not help the defense. It puts a face and a personality to the victims, Liberty German and Abigail Williams. The more that gets released the more I think Richard Allen is probably guilty.

Maybe they will release the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera video or an exact transcript of Richard Allen's confession to Dr. Wala in prison? I think everyone wants to see the evidence presented to come to their own conclusion about the case.

 

[Warwick7]

I wonder if he will ever have some realisation and just confess to why he decided to do what he did that day.

I think that day will come. Just because he's confessed so many many times. He can't hold it in.

 

[Warwick7]

The REAL gift would have been if RA had never gotten on the bridge.

If only:
RA had just went to lunch with his mother.
Or, drank himself into a stupor at noon and passed out at home.
Or, drank himself into a stupor and fell off the bridge.

jmo

Bam!! You got that right!!

 

[somequestions]

I went back and looked at the original video of the bridge guy video released by police.

Did any of the witnesses talk about how bridge guy's jacket was overflowing with items in it? It is bursting at the seams almost.

During the trial, the prosecutor said they found a jacket from Richard Allen that matches bridge guy's jacket in the video. He called it the bridge guy starter kit.

I only noticed this today, but the jacket you see in the Liberty German phone video was only being held together by snaps, not a zipper. I know none of this proves anything, but I wondered about it.

 

[Boxer]

I went back and looked at the original video of the bridge guy video released by police.

Did any of the witnesses talk about how bridge guy's jacket was overflowing with items in it? It is bursting at the seams almost.

During the trial, the prosecutor said they found a jacket from Richard Allen that matches bridge guy's jacket in the video. He called it the bridge guy starter kit.

I only noticed this today, but the jacket you see in the Liberty German phone video was only being held together by snaps, not a zipper. I know none of this proves anything, but I wondered about it.

The snaps have been noted. I saw and correctly identified the p226 in the pocket.

 

[FrostedGlass]

It was said by LE early on that they had a lots of blue jackets but not "the" blue jacket. I was really expecting them to have something that made RA's jacket "the" jacket: fibers that matched a tear, blood stains, DNA... but it was just crickets.

 

[somequestions]

The snaps have been noted. I saw and correctly identified the p226 in the pocket.

I have to admit I did not notice the snaps because everyone always talked about it as a blue jacket.

I thought it had a zipper for that reason. But when you look closely at the bridge guy video and picture closeup released by police early on, it looks like the snaps are barely able to keep in whatever is in bridge guy's jacket.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Regarding the release of public documents: I've had high praise for those individuals who have taken time out of their lives to obtain and share public docs. It matters not to me if what's released looks bad for the defense or anyone else. What does matter that we have transparence and the right to draw our own conclusions. If it's the D team who is releasing the docs: "Please release every public document you have in this case." I want to see them all.

 

[Boxer]

It was said by LE early on that they had a lots of blue jackets but not "the" blue jacket. I was really expecting them to have something that made RA's jacket "the" jacket: fibers that matched a tear, blood stains, DNA... but it was just crickets.

He wore those kind of jackets.
I doubt the jacket collected during the search warrant was "the jacket" but one just like it.

 

[FrostedGlass]

He wore those kind of jackets.
I doubt the jacket collected during the search warrant was "the jacket" but one just like it.

IMO there is a big difference, when it comes to evidence, between having a jacket like another and having "the" jacket.

Remember when we spent hours and hours looking for a jacket just like his? I don't remember that we ever found one. Same with his footwear. I'm wondering if they used AI for enhancements and that's why we didn't find those things.