GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #219

[johnlair]

Interesting case... So what are you guys views on the odinistic killings or maybe that Allan led them to the crime scene where there were men waiting and he did not do the crime alone

 

[sunshineray]

I was trying to figure out why Liberty German did not take any photos or videos(that we know of) at platforms 4, 5, or 6.

I think it could possibly be because there was someone in the way of Liberty German's photo shot. She might have been waiting for someone to get out of the way of her shot until they were going the opposite direction behind Abby or did not feel comfortable pulling out the phone camera until they were going the other direction away from them. Abby and Libby might have been cautiously waiting while this person approached and passed them on the bridge.

What might it mean? If Richard Allen approached the girls from the northwest side of the bridge it would make sense that later, he would leave going the same direction back to his car. That does make sense when you consider where his car was parked.

But if someone approached from the southeast side of the bridge they might have entered from that direction and left the same way.

What would even make you think anyone approached the girls from the southeast side?
Especially after viewing Libby's video?

 

[johnlair]

What would even make you think anyone approached the girls from the southeast side?
Especially after viewing Libby's video?

A video I watched of a walk to the murder scene it wasn't straight at the bottom of the hill was it?

 

[sunshineray]

A video I watched of a walk to the murder scene it wasn't straight at the bottom of the hill was it?

There's a road down there and an area that always spooked me off to the right, just very secluded looking. I don't think that access road right down the hill is curvy right there in that area, IIRC.

 

[Boxer]

I don't disagree with your train of thought. You may very well be spot on.

Another reason I still have this itch is because killer richard allen was reported to have asked if his family was ok. Could be several reasons for his concern.

However, at that time is when the infamous defense tried to say allen was in fear for his family because of the guards. (That is pure bull) I always thought if allen had fear it was because of KAK and his daddy. Daddy has a record of violence.

The investigation got heated during the Wabash search, all tips gone over again and that is when the missed tip was discovered. If any of KAK and company had reason to fear it would have been then for certain. little ricky may have been told to keep his mouth shut or else.

And we know little ricky only beats up on little girls. I noticed how small, quiet, and pathetic little ricky looks when at the bar and playing pool. Men around.

To me the most likely nexus is KAK selling RA some green leafy or other drug that morning at the Peru liquor store when RA was picking up beer and KAK laughing he had some fish going to the MHB to meet Mr. Hot Model who was going to ghost them.
RA took it from there.
KAK was panicked when he saw what happened, guessed who it was, and left town with Dad wiped the phone, and will never talk about it, and neither will RA. All phones were destroyed or wiped.

 

[somequestions]

What would even make you think anyone approached the girls from the southeast side?
Especially after viewing Libby's video?

I think it was in Liberty German's bridge guy video the nervousness of Abigail Williams asking if he was behind her. We will never know if the girls noticed bridge guy Richard Allen before platform 6 as that is all the video shows.

There is one fact about this case that is indisputable: Abigail Williams and Liberty German passed the bridge guy either on the bridge or on the trail going in the opposite direction and the bridge guy came back.

 

[Megnut]

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It's the gap in time/ movement. It's when the girls movement was stopped, they were trapped with an adult male with a gun who forced them to undress, that's what turns my stomach. It's the reality of what was happening.

Then the phone starts moving again, no doubt as they're forced across the creek to an even more secluded location, and within minutes, the phone stops moving again, never to move again (until recovered by LE), in the location where their bodies are found, with horrendous injuries.

Libby's phone IS the critical evidence in this case.

It shows the abduction, it shows the perpetrator, it shows the location, it records the movement (stopping, starting) and the tragic stop time.

Twenty minutes roughly. From boisterous girls having a good time to bleeding out in a ravine, all because of the guy on the bridge.

That will forever be sickening to me.

JMO

 

[johnlair]

<modsnip - quoted post was removed> It's the gap in time/ movement. It's when the girls movement was stopped, they were trapped with an adult male with a gun who forced them to undress, that's what turns my stomach. It's the reality of what was happening.

Then the phone starts moving again, no doubt as they're forced across the creek to an even more secluded location, and within minutes, the phone stops moving again, never to move again (until recovered by LE), in the location where their bodies are found, with horrendous injuries.

Libby's phone IS the critical evidence in this case.

It shows the abduction, it shows the perpetrator, it shows the location, it records the movement (stopping, starting) and the tragic stop time.

Twenty minutes roughly. From boisterous girls having a good time to bleeding out in a ravine, all because of the guy on the bridge.

That will forever be sickening to me.

JMO

There could be more involved tho and RA just taking the whole blame because he doesn't want to grass his disgusting friends up..
Seems like they had it planned to me with that groomer talking to her beforehand

 

[iamshadow21]

There could be more involved tho and RA just taking the whole blame because he doesn't want to grass his disgusting friends up..
Seems like they had it planned to me with that groomer talking to her beforehand

I don't see any paederast going to prison for 100+ years on his lonesome out of loyalty. These are sexual predators of children, not marines.

MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

There could be more involved tho and RA just taking the whole blame because he doesn't want to grass his disgusting friends up..
Seems like they had it planned to me with that groomer talking to her beforehand

For what it’s worth, KAK was sentenced to 43 years in prison on unrelated child exploitation and charges. So the groomer did get caught and convicted, even if no legally chargeable connection could be made between him and the girls’ murders.

jmo

 

[Andieinsyd]

If there were plans to meet KAK/Shots that day wouldn’t there be a record on Libby’s phone that confirmed this? And it seems like the plan to go to the trails was more a spur of the moment thing according to Becky Patty.

To me, RA was on the trails looking for opportunity. He lived right there, didn’t need someone to tell him two girls were going to be there. He probably knew it was a spot where females walked alone from being there in the past. I think he stalked BB but saw the girls, walked a way to see if anyone else was around, and then sped it all up to get them down the hill. The girls didn’t need to be meeting someone, Libby was familiar with the trails and they thought it would be fun to go there and take snaps, as did some other teens.

Linking KAK and RA actually makes it feel more complicated to me, but of course it’s a possibility.

 

[susane7]

If there were plans to meet KAK/Shots that day wouldn’t there be a record on Libby’s phone that confirmed this? And it seems like the plan to go to the trails was more a spur of the moment thing according to Becky Patty.

To me, RA was on the trails looking for opportunity. He lived right there, didn’t need someone to tell him two girls were going to be there. He probably knew it was a spot where females walked alone from being there in the past. I think he stalked BB but saw the girls, walked a way to see if anyone else was around, and then sped it all up to get them down the hill. The girls didn’t need to be meeting someone, Libby was familiar with the trails and they thought it would be fun to go there and take snaps, as did some other teens.

Linking KAK and RA actually makes it feel more complicated to me, but of course it’s a possibility.

Absolutely agree.

IMO RA lived there, knew it was a place that he can fulfill his sick fantasies if he waits for one opportunity, he really liked and knew that place (pics of the bridge on his memory box and her daugher said she was afraid but he helped her to cross the bridge). Like a predator/trail killer he was on the trails waiting for the opportunity. I think the little that we know about him (low profile, quiet, without social media, etc) indicates a lone wolfe (the crime scene, witnesses, video, a spur of moment thing for the girls to go to the trails, etc also indicates a trail/killing lone wolf IMO).

 

[Arkay]

There is one fact about this case that is indisputable: Abigail Williams and Liberty German passed the bridge guy either on the bridge or on the trail going in the opposite direction and the bridge guy came back

There’s a second fact that’s indisputable, as well.

The term “Bridge Guy” was a placeholder until that became defunct with the jury’s verdict.

There is no Bridge Guy—there is only Richard Allen.

Not my opinion but facts.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I beieve it's just what non-movement of the phone means innterms of the crime that is sickening.
But, do you really think RA is not the killer?

It doesn't say there was non-movement; just no steps. Do you have any idea about the 2 floor elevation?
I am more unsure that he's the killer than I am sure that he is.

 

[iamshadow21]

It doesn't say there was non-movement; just no steps. Do you have any idea about the 2 floor elevation?
I am more unsure that he's the killer than I am sure that he is.

I don't know about the phone in question, but I've never found the floor elevation thing on my Fitbit to be accurate. Sometimes I've gone up plenty of stairs, nada. And sometimes I've walked on what's pretty much flat ground and it thinks I've gone up some kind of peak. I don't know how the technology gauges it.

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

I believe the OP is referring to the report allegedly prepared by Todd Click about Odinistic ritual killing angle.


Court docs: Indiana child services worker accused of falsifying documents

ETA Mr. Click's Trial date for the above referenced offense is currently set for 05/20/2025 at 9:00 AM in Ripley county Indiana Courts Case Search - MyCase

Right.

But i don't think there are huge secrets in there! The reason I know this is the defence wrote a full summary of it's arguments to admit odinism after the conclusion of the 3 day hearing. This motion is critical because it reveals which arguments had to be dropped (no evidence).

Further, the key "odinist" officers themselves both testified. I don't recall the detail of that testimony now, other than them admitting they could never place the defendants in delphi at the key times.

If there was bombshell evidence in the Click report - he would have testified to it, and it would have been in their closing submissions.

 

[tlcya]

Right.

But i don't think there are huge secrets in there! The reason I know this is the defence wrote a full summary of it's arguments to admit odinism after the conclusion of the 3 day hearing. This motion is critical because it reveals which arguments had to be dropped (no evidence).

Further, the key "odinist" officers themselves both testified. I don't recall the detail of that testimony now, other than them admitting they could never place the defendants in delphi at the key times.

If there was bombshell evidence in the Click report - he would have testified to it, and it would have been in their closing submissions.

not to mention Click himself has himself debunked the Odinist farce so perhaps that is why he did not testify to the bunk that was the subject of the three day hearing. JMO

In a statement released to Court TV, retired Rushville, Indiana officer Todd Click writes: “No one in law enforcement believes Abby and Libby were killed in a ritual sacrifice. That is the defense twisting facts for sensationalism.” Click did not agree to an interview, citing the gag-order in effect on witnesses and investigators in the case.
Delphi investigators: Defense 'twisting facts for sensationalism' over cult sacrifice claims

 

[Megnut]

Smart phones are smart but they're not independent thinkers.

We know things.

Things we wish weren't true. But we know them -- and should be able to trust them. Because they are corroborated.

Like when Abby and Libby were at the MBH.

And when RA was. He provided no alibi, no testimony to support being elsewhere.

The girls were abducted by the man who followed them. They were in two locations, one on each side of a creek.

They were forced to undress.

One redressed.

They crossed the creek.

They received fatal injuries at the second location. Bled to death.

What can the smart phone tell us?

Libby was holding it. Video proves that. We see Libby standing in place at the end of the bridge, right up until GDTH. Zero steps, no movement, consistent with the video. IMO Libby made it across by 2:08, the waited.

Once DTH, they were kept in one place. A gun'll do that.

Consistent with being abducted, held against their will, forced to undress. Phone was likely on the ground. In a pocket or shoe. Of course the PHONE doesn't know that. It just noted there's no movement to record.

Then 166'. Not likely in someone's hand who is on a pleasure hike. One naked child and one wearing the clothes of the others, forced across a creek.

Maybe what the phone was trying to make sense of was A CHILD losing her balance, flailing, falling in the creek, righting herself, stumbling again, losing clothes in the process, saving the phone.

The phone would have NO WAY to make sense of that. Rapid, tumultuous motion. Maybe that's how he elevation change git recorded or the 166'.

I haven't found a good elevation map to see how significant a physical difference. We know it was steep, we know they were left in a bit of a basin in a ravine-type hollow, not very visible from above, obscured them from below by an unfinished frame of branches.

Within minutes, both girls had their necks slashed. Chaotic scene. Phone never again moved. Stopped at 2:32. So unless a the phone lay there and then later Abby dutifully returned to be murdered on top of it, Abby was fatally injured where she was found simultaneously with the phone registering its last movement.

There were no Odinists, no sacrificial ritual, no runes, no F, no ritual of two white girls in a very harried messy confusing vignette.

One middle aged, buzzed guy, lurking on the bridge, who didn't finish what he started, panicked, killed them, stood over them to make sure they died all the way, then tried to hide their bodies to make them harder to see (from below), went home and continued to go about his life.

And a smart girl with a smart phone recording 43 seconds of video and another 18 minutes of movement and not movement which told the second part of the story...

Resulting in a conviction and two 65-year sentences.

No mystery, just misery.

JMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I was trying to figure out why Liberty German did not take any photos or videos(that we know of) at platforms 4, 5, or 6.

I think it could possibly be because there was someone in the way of Liberty German's photo shot. She might have been waiting for someone to get out of the way of her shot until they were going the opposite direction behind Abby or did not feel comfortable pulling out the phone camera until they were going the other direction away from them. Abby and Libby might have been cautiously waiting while this person approached and passed them on the bridge.

What might it mean? If Richard Allen approached the girls from the northwest side of the bridge it would make sense that later, he would leave going the same direction back to his car. That does make sense when you consider where his car was parked.

But if someone approached from the southeast side of the bridge they might have entered from that direction and left the same way.

I would just like to point out that this crime has been solved.
RA was found guilty
All the “mights” have been litigated.
File this in the fiction section of the library on the shelf next to Franks Motion Vol One.

 

[Boxer]

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He says he was looking at fish. Platform 1 also offers views of what you can and cant see from the bridge.

If he crossed the bridge south from Platform 1, then waited off the bridge as they got near to the the south embankment got on the bridge passed them, turned around he could have the charged them from there.

But the only witnesses who could confirm this are dead,

i want to comment here, that crossing to just to cross back sound like too much work for a murderer - although like the Platform 1 reconaissance, he may have been scoping out the path down to the creek.