GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #219

[Megnut]

Was the phone directly underneath them then or was it found elsewhere in the scene like in the bushes or something I am just thinking if she knew they were in uttermost danger which she did ...did she ditch the phone quickly knowing it could be used for evidence because it confuses me he would have left it behind ...seems odd .. especially with those catfishing messages and evidence on it

No. The phone was located beneath Abby's body.

Libby factory reset her phone about a week prior IIRC.

IMO RA might have been an opportunist, gaining information second hand which perhaps gave him foreknowledge, enough to know school children would be there or this particular set of children would be.

LE surely investigated such an association without finding any.

Lot of missing phones.

One fact stands. Abby and Libby were innocent victims.

JMO

 

[johnlair]

No. The phone was located beneath Abby's body.

Libby factory reset her phone about a week prior IIRC.

IMO RA might have been an opportunist, gaining information second hand which perhaps gave him foreknowledge, enough to know school children would be there or this particular set of children would be.

LE surely investigated such an association without finding any.

Lot of missing phones.

One fact stands. Abby and Libby were innocent victims.

JMO

Of course they were its an absolutely horrendous case

 

[INfisherman]

Thankyou btw... I was using Google believe me there is just soooo much on this particular case its like getting stuck in minefields I thought once they got RA the bridge guy it was over but no there are so many other topics linking in other people to it... You know what they say there is no smoke without fire.

Lots of smoke from the defense side. The only fire was that of RA who placed himself there.

MOO

 

[johnlair]

Yes I can see this now after a bit of research... Its obviously him.. His motive was SA and he got spooked by the white van.. he admitted it it many times,.
I should have researched it first better before jumping in the thread guys.

 

[johnlair]

I just wish they had ran... He was out of shape ... Its so sad

 

[Boxer]

Thankyou btw... I was using Google believe me there is just soooo much on this particular case its like getting stuck in minefields I thought once they got RA the bridge guy it was over but no there are so many other topics linking in other people to it... You know what they say there is no smoke without fire.

This case reveals a lot of crime in the area.
RL was a scofflaw DUIer, the Pizza King owner where girls had team parties was a drug dealer and sex offender.
A look at the sex offender registry is a real wake up call of the number of creeps around in the environment.
However the case against RA is solid and specific.

 

[INfisherman]

I should have researched it first better before jumping in the thread guys.

You’re fine, no worries, even if you feel differently about the outcome, etc.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

One thing about the step data, is I think it is logged (stored) in blocks rather than real time.

So for instance in Garmin, my steps update in realtime - basically a counter - but if you went back weeks later to look at the logs, you might not find each step saved with individual time stamp - but rather big blocks per 10 mins or whatever.

IMO

This is why LE could not recreate the girls real time movements - but rather blocks of steps at waypoints.

We can't really know when they were standing still in any block of steps. Only that between certain times, they did move, until the phone never records any more steps. But they might have reached that final location some mins before the phone logged its last steps if that makes sense.

 

[johnlair]

This case reveals a lot of crime in the area.
RL was a scofflaw DUIer, the Pizza King owner where girls had team parties was a drug dealer and sex offender.
A look at the sex offender registry is a real wake up call of the number of creeps around in the environment.
However the case against RA is solid and specific.

Well in least something good came from it in that he is locked away and it has raised awareness to the amount of weirdos in the area... hope the pizza guy has been convicted too

 

[sunshineray]

I think Richard Allen got off the bridge and passed the girls as they were on the trail walking to the bridge and delayed coming back after them for some reason. The point was to show that Abby and Libby had to have passed Richard Allen already whether on the bridge or the trail.

I think the trail is more likely due to the 2:07pm picture not showing anyone on platforms looking back towards the northwest. If Richard Allen were still standing on platform 1 when the girls passed him, then I think he would have continued standing on platform 1 as they would be moving away from him and he could observe them.

I understand the probability of him being innocent is very unlikely, but I thought it was worth discussing the movement of bridge guy Richard Allen across the Monon High Bridge and how it might have affected Abigail Williams and Liberty German's movements across it too.

Yeah I think he was either lurking in the woods and they saw him there or he was standing on the trail pretending to be on his phone while they passed by him. Either way, I think he waited to see if anyone else was coming down the trails that way and then he decided to follow them, for the reason he confessed. Just a monster. AJMO

 

[Megnut]

Yeah I think he was either lurking in the woods and they saw him there or he was standing on the trail pretending to be on his phone while they passed by him. Either way, I think he waited to see if anyone else was coming down the trails that way and then he decided to follow them, for the reason he confessed. Just a monster. AJMO

He never said he saw BB. He may have had reasons to withhold that.

She said or seemed like he was waiting for someone iirc.

Just what exactly could he see from the first platform? He's like us to think fish... but IMO, if BB could see him, theoretically he should be able to see her. From platform one, he could see who was coming toward the bridge (perhaps RA was trying to look purposeful and nonthreatening and BB would have been his victim had she not turned around). BB turned around, met Abby and Libby as they approached the bridge. If RA remained on his platform deer stand, he would have seen (and probably heard) the girls approach. He exits the bridge, they enter it.

And now he is behind them.

Trapped. By design.

JMO

 

[Salah11]

I just wish they had ran... He was out of shape ... Its so sad

Abby was clearly petrified so she wasn’t running anywhere. Libby with courage beyond her years decided to stay with her friend and not try and escape.

IMO

 

[mrjitty]

He never said he saw BB. He may have had reasons to withhold that.

She said or seemed like he was waiting for someone iirc.

Just what exactly could he see from the first platform? He's like us to think fish... but IMO, if BB could see him, theoretically he should be able to see her. From platform one, he could see who was coming toward the bridge (perhaps RA was trying to look purposeful and nonthreatening and BB would have been his victim had she not turned around). BB turned around, met Abby and Libby as they approached the bridge. If RA remained on his platform deer stand, he would have seen (and probably heard) the girls approach. He exits the bridge, they enter it.

And now he is behind them.

Trapped. By design.

JMO

For me BBs testimony that Bridge Guy saw her was a big corroboration in respect of RA's story. He knew he'd been seen on platform 1 so worked that in to his story.

One of the most fascinating aspects of these killers is how they become a first time show runner in their own "Krimi" and try to script a version that covers all the basis while exonerating themselves. They inevitably mess up in this process.

The biggest issue with the Innocent Rick show is he didn't understand how admitting to seeing the juvenile girls and beng on platform 1 would anchor him so tightly into the chrono. In his mind, no one saw him once the victims arrived, so it was safe to admit to being on the Bridge at the 'innocent time'. He couldn't know that BB passes the victims on their outbound journey, and effectively traps him on to the bridge with them.

 

[Megnut]

For me BBs testimony that Bridge Guy saw her was a big corroboration in respect of RA's story. He knew he'd been seen on platform 1 so worked that in to his story.

One of the most fascinating aspects of these killers is how they become a first time show runner in their own "Krimi" and try to script a version that covers all the basis while exonerating themselves. They inevitably mess up in this process.

The biggest issue with the Innocent Rick show is he didn't understand how admitting to seeing the juvenile girls and beng on platform 1 would anchor him so tightly into the chrono. In his mind, no one saw him once the victims arrived, so it was safe to admit to being on the Bridge at the 'innocent time'. He couldn't know that BB passes the victims on their outbound journey, and effectively traps him on to the bridge with them.

Brilliant.

You're right. He absolutely did see her. Abd knew he'd been seen, same with the juveniles, so he was locked in on those.

Then he felt safe saying he never saw Abby and Libby because he intended to kill them and did. No witnesses.

Except for Libby's video.

Hard to fathom their confusion, fear, terror... all the while keeping their phone hidden from him, team effort.

Bet he seemed super polite, concerned, helpful to DD volunteering details with ease.

While keeping his sick, dirty, dark little secrets only the killer would know.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Brilliant.

You're right. He absolutely did see her. Abd knew he'd been seen, same with the juveniles, so he was locked in on those.

Then he felt safe saying he never saw Abby and Libby because he intended to kill them and did. No witnesses.

Except for Libby's video.

Hard to fathom their confusion, fear, terror... all the while keeping their phone hidden from him, team effort.

Bet he seemed super polite, concerned, helpful to DD volunteering details with ease.

While keeping his sick, dirty, dark little secrets only the killer would know.

JMO

I still wish I could be a fly on the wall the moment he found out there was a picture of him taken by his victims.

 

[Megnut]

I still wish I could be a fly on the wall the moment he found out there was a picture of him taken by his victims.

Right! Except it's not him if it came from the girls' camera.

He must have told his wife it wasn't him because he was never on the bridge.

Two lies and a truth.

The truth: he was on the bridge.

And because he was on the bridge, two little girls are dead.

Evil has so, so many faces.

I choose to forget his. I only want to remember the smiling faces of Abby and Libby.

JMO

 

[somequestions]

I still wish I could be a fly on the wall the moment he found out there was a picture of him taken by his victims.

That part of this case will always be sort of unique.

I wonder what the front page of the newspapers they had at CVS or the grocery store looked like on February 15, 16, 17, and 18? Was the bridge guy picture already out there? Was it already out on the local tv news on those dates?

I think it was only later at the February 22nd, 2017 news conference that they released the voice section of the bridge guy video. It was definitely very bold of Richard Allen to insert himself into the case at a point in time where he would have no idea what police had found at the crime scene or if they had a closer image of him or had his voice on tape.

Maybe that ultimately was the reason for Richard Allen to meet up with the conservation officer DD in order to test the police to see if they recognized him as the person they were looking for and when DD did not recognize him, he thought he got away with it?

 

[somequestions]

I just wish they had ran... He was out of shape ... Its so sad

In the closeup of the bridge guy video, the blue jacket the bridge guy is wearing looks to be held together by snaps, not a zipper. It looks like bridge guy has a big stomach or many things in the jacket.

I would have done the same thing as Abby and Libby. I would not have ran but waited to see where this person went first. I am sure Libby has seen adults out walking at the Monon High Bridge before. There was no reason to start running away. They have no idea this person intends to harm them. He is only a strange person who is making them uncomfortable by getting closer to them on the bridge.

Unfortunately, we will probably never know the reason Liberty German turned on her phone camera to record the bridge guy video.

 

[INfisherman]

I wonder what the front page of the newspapers they had at CVS or the grocery store looked like on February 15, 16, 17, and 18? Was the bridge guy picture already out there? Was it already out on the local tv news on those dates?

SBM

Can’t get much more local than this, from 15FEB17:

Police ask for help - Carroll County Comet

Editor’s Note: The following is a release from police asking for help identifying a man who is a person of interest in the murder of two Delphi teenagers. “We are providing a photograph of a subject who was on the Delphi Historic Trails on February 13, 2017, around the time Abigail Williams...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

I think it was only later at the February 22nd, 2017 news conference that they released the voice section of the bridge guy video. It was definitely very bold of Richard Allen to insert himself into the case at a point in time where he would have no idea what police had found at the crime scene or if they had a closer image of him or had his voice on tape.

Maybe that ultimately was the reason for Richard Allen to meet up with the conservation officer DD in order to test the police to see if they recognized him as the person they were looking for and when DD did not recognize him, he thought he got away with it?

I feel he was concerned with at least 2 things:

1. His wife & whatever she had to say about the picture shown in the above article, as she knew he’d been out there that day but didn’t know he’d been in the bridge. Has been discussed here many times before (what KA may have said to him when she heard the girls were missing).
2. What LE knew. Likely, after speaking with a CO vs. a detective, sheriff’s deputy, local police officer or ISP trooper, etc., he wasn’t as concerned & went in living his sorry life until they came back knocking in 2022.

JMO

 

[gremlin444]

I would have done the same thing as Abby and Libby. I would not have ran but waited to see where this person went first. I am sure Libby has seen adults out walking at the Monon High Bridge before. There was no reason to start running away. They have no idea this person intends to harm them. He is only a strange person who is making them uncomfortable by getting closer to them on the bridge.

Unfortunately, we will probably never know the reason Liberty German turned on her phone camera to record the bridge guy video.

Not being a local, but from looking at footage of the bridge as people have filmed themselves crossing it, I wonder if an unspoken local etiquette around its use had evolved over time. You know, like not sitting down next to a stranger on the subway if there are empty seats around, that kind of thing. Here it would have to do with acceptable behavior regarding # of people on parts of the bridge/passing ppl etiquette.

The unspoken courtesy rules may have been something like that if you see someone walking across the bridge ahead of you, once they get two or three platforms away from the far end, you don't continue to approach them because of the limited space at the end and the fact that they will need to turn around and come back. As someone terrified of heights, if I had managed to get onto that bridge and now someone is needing to pass me, I'm stuck...because I'm not able to make myself move from the middle of the rails to let them get by and I'm definitely not able to stand on one of the platforms to allow them room to go on.

A breach of unspoken bridge usage etiquette could have been enough to put them on edge. I think Abby was on edge anyway with it being her first time crossing it, but clearly something had tripped Libby's alarms as well.

The fact that it was a solo adult male continuing to approach even though he would have been able to see them on the bridge ahead of him for quite a while would have been cause for alarm. I think as two young teenage girls, seeing an adult male breach that kind of etiquette would be disturbing...because adults are supposed to know better. Especially at a location like this that was primarily used only by locals who should know the "rules."

IMHO, etc.