Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

[TTF14]

There is no 'small part' in a brutal double murder of children. ANY part whatsoever can bring a Guilty of Murder verdict.

Yea, poor choice of words on my part. I mean if he didn’t actually murder them.

As always, JMO.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

“Testimony on Thursday also provided answers to why ISP took temporary custody of another person of interest, Kegan Kline, and spent weeks searching the Wabash River under a bridge near his Peru Home. This happened a few months before Allen's arrest in 2022.


Kline reportedly lied to detectives that he and his father were at a cemetery near the wooded area where the girls were found after the day of the homicides.

An ISP investigator took him from the Miami County Jail along the supposed route to the cemetery, but surveillance cameras on the route didn't show Kline and his father in their red Jeep on Feb. 13, 2017.

Kline also told police his dad threw a knife and cell phone into the river when they drove over the bridge on the way home.”

This is what Detective Vido testified to, that Kegan Kline confessed to being involved in the murders. They are going to have a tough time explaining why they are so sure he was lying because of his phone data, when they had that for half a decade before they committed 6 weeks of manpower to that river search.”

Delphi homicide suspect Richard Allen to be moved back to county jail

Delphi double homicide suspect Richard Allen is heading back to county jail.

www.wlfi.com

He lied.
It wasn’t the first time and probably wasn’t the last.
He played LE by pretending to know things about Delphi to curry favor and get better privileges while in jail. It was easy because at that time they had no other leads.
As was proper, LE did not take the liar’s word for it, and they investigated his claims. They were not able to verify anything that fellow you’re talking about said. In fact they were able to disprove some of it.


Opinion and all

Edit: typo

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

This is what Detective Vido testified to, that Kegan Kline confessed to being involved in the murders. They are going to have a tough time explaining why they are so sure he was lying because of his phone data, when they had that for half a decade before they committed 6 weeks of manpower to that river search.”

We will disagree then, you are not quoting the exact words attributed to Vido, which changes the meaning of his testimony. He specifically said the searching of a river was at the crime scene, and he never said KK "confessed" to participating in the actual murders, as you stated.

There is zero information telling us that KK is going to now claim he was in any way involved and his repeated, documented, denials would impeach any testimony he could possibly give, which makes him ineligible to be called as a witness. He cannot be called to the stand as a hostile witness for the defense to interrogate in front of a jury. Disproven "confessions" are not expulpatory evidence. LE's investigation of KK whereabouts on that day did not simply rely on cellphone data. My opinions are based on nearly 30 years of LE experience with significant time spent in courtrooms.

 

[Arkay]

During the interrogations back in October 2022, LE told Richard Allen that they had experts that matched up his voice to the person's voice on Liberty German's phone video who said, "Down the hill". Was this true or not?

If there is someone who could calculate how tall the bridge guy is in Liberty German's phone video, I think that would go a long way towards determining if Richard Allen is bridge guy, especially if the calculation comes out to 5'4" or less.

These are important points, but this is my view about it:

While it would be beneficial if his friends, customers, neighbors (discounting his family because I don’t expect it of them) would have long ago proclaimed “Hey, that’s Richie’s voice saying DTH!,” it’s clearly something that LE would have scrupulously investigated.

That they arrested him suggests to me that whether or not someone close to RA identified that as his voice, he has not been excluded, even though we the public have not yet been given this information.

I feel the same regarding his height. If RA is 5’4”, and BG was definitively proven to be much taller, then by virtue of that RA would have been released.

That he is the suspect and awaiting trial (at last, HALLELUJAH), leads me to believe that his voice and height have not proven exculpatory for RA to be BG.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

If Libby's phone didn't record that video or take any pictures, LE would still be going off cctv, witness statements, digital forensic.

LE would have created a timeline and worked out who was there, when and for how long.

No one would have known from which point they were abducted. Or at what time.

Libby's video doesn't have to "prove" RA is BG... (although remarkably the images from her phone don't exclude RA. She could have had video no audio, audio no video, neither audio nor video, but she managed to capture both, even as they were growing more uneasy, and that video puts a marker on time and place. Shows one man. Consistent with what the group if juveniles and BB reported. Consistent with what RA self-reported.

They weren't on a city street, weren't in a yard, weren't at a business. No cctv ... except for what Libby managed to film.

When this trial is over, I hope the estates of Libby and Abby are awarded the reward money. That video, their recorded conversation and the grainy video of their abductor ultimately solved this case. Powerful witness testimony, from the grave.

JMO

 

[photographer4]

I agree it's very unlikely KAK will be allowed to testify but if he does make it to the trial, via a show of proof, it will be under oath. MO

I have zero faith that a sworn oath means anything to KK whatsoever. MOO.

 

[Arkay]

'It breaks my heart' | Officer whose photos were stolen by 'anthony_shots' profile wants justice for Delphi victims

Officer Vincent Kowalski said his photos have been swiped on social media for years.

www.wthr.com

Link with pictures from the above 2021 local news article.

I don’t live in Indiana and so will not be on the jury. But I can promise that if I were shown that THIS guy, KK, pretended to be THIS guy, A-Shots, then I as a juror would promptly disregard anything further that KK would say on the stand.

I know we are all intensely familiar with these pictures and the catfishing.

I point it out now because as the trial gets underway, IMO it’s a fool’s errand for the defense to have this PROVEN liar give any testimony at all.

I do agree with @iamshadow21 (somewhere above) thinking that KK might enjoy it, though. Mini-field trip, break up the monotony, feeling important.

But again for me, if I were a juror, presenting KK to me would completely backfire against the defense.

JMO

 

[skibaboo]

Marking my spot for Monday.

Justice for Abby & Libby

 

[photographer4]

During the interrogations back in October 2022, LE told Richard Allen that they had experts that matched up his voice to the person's voice on Liberty German's phone video who said, "Down the hill". Was this true or not?

If there is someone who could calculate how tall the bridge guy is in Liberty German's phone video, I think that would go a long way towards determining if Richard Allen is bridge guy, especially if the calculation comes out to 5'4" or less.

If it was RA and he wore shoe lifts... might not be as helpful as we hope. MOOOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Marking my spot for Monday.

Justice for Abby & Libby

Good to see you here @skibaboo
Thank you for all of the excellent map work that you did starting way back at Thread #1.

 

[photographer4]

He lied.
It wasn’t the first time and probably wasn’t the last.
He played LE by pretending to know things about Delphi to curry favor and get better privileges while in jail. It was easy because at that time they had no other leads.
As was proper, LE did not take the liar’s word for it, and they investigated his claims. They were not able to verify anything that fellow you’re talking about said. In fact they were able to disprove some of it.


Opinion and all

Edit: typo

KK is being called by the D, not the State so the D must think he has something of value to add to their defense, despite the fact that he is a known liar. I'm very curious as to what they think he can offer here?? I think they're going to ask him how much pressure LE put on him to say it was his father who killed the girls.

Q: are the four witnesses the D has motioned to have at court intended to be transported daily or will they stay in the general area under some sort of lock and key? Do we expect them to testify on a specific day? Not followed cases this closely before really so wondering how it all works...

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

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Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

You inserted the Wabash River in Peru into Det Vito's testimony when it is clearly not the river "next to the crime scene" (Deer Creek) that he states he searched.

BBM and as linked in prior post:

"Vido said Kline had told police his father went into the woods for a few hours and came back with blood on him, and that his dad threw a cellphone and knife in the river before they left the area. The detective told the court that investigators later searched the water near the crime scene,"

Was the news article inaccurate?

 

[Melted]

You inserted the Wabash River in Peru into Det Vito's testimony when it is clearly not the river "next to the crime scene" (Deer Creek) that he states he searched.

BBM and as linked in prior post:

"Vido said Kline had told police his father went into the woods for a few hours and came back with blood on him, and that his dad threw a cellphone and knife in the river before they left the area. The detective told the court that investigators later searched the water near the crime scene,"

Was the news article inaccurate?

Ok so your thought process is that the river search in Peru that coincided with isp taking custody of KK had nothing to do with the Delphi investigation?

 

[steeltowngirl]

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A reasonable juror will understand and abide by the rules of court, according to the law and evidence. If they do so, and convict or acquit accordingly, they have no need to be upset. If they enter the courtroom with a general mistrust of law enforcement investigations, they really have no business sitting on a jury.
JMO

RULE 19. OATH OR AFFIRMATION OF THE JURY

After the jury has been selected, but before commencement of the trial, the judge shall administer the following to the jury, including alternate jurors:

“Do each of you swear or affirm that you will well and truly try the matter in issue between the parties, and give a true verdict according to the law and evidence?”

 

[Salah11]

I can’t believe we are two days away.

 

[steeltowngirl]

You inserted the Wabash River in Peru into Det Vito's testimony when it is clearly not the river "next to the crime scene" (Deer Creek) that states he searched.

BBM and as linked in prior post:

"Vido said Kline had told police his father went into the woods for a few hours and came back with blood on him, and that his dad threw a cellphone and knife in the river before they left the area. The detective told the court that investigators later searched the water near the crime scene,"

Was the news article inaccurate?

There is understandable confusion about the Wabash River search. I am unaware of a transcript from Vidos’s testimony, so we must rely on the news article.

We do know the Wabash was searched, and reportedly connected to KAK. We still do not know with certainty if anything was recovered from that search that connects to the Delphi case. Seems unlikely though.

Search of Wabash River in Peru may be connected to Kegan Kline

PERU, Ind. (WISH) — Indiana State Police on Tuesday were searching the Wabash River in Peru, and it may be connected to anthony_shots suspect Kegan Kline. The Murder Sheet podcast, a News 8 newsgathering partner, shared photos showing divers in the Wabash River near the Nickel Plate bridges for...

www.wishtv.com

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I didn't see this posted. Gray Hughes on why RA = BG. Interesting.

 

[snooptroop88]

He lied.
It wasn’t the first time and probably wasn’t the last.
He played LE by pretending to know things about Delphi to curry favor and get better privileges while in jail. It was easy because at that time they had no other leads.
As was proper, LE did not take the liar’s word for it, and they investigated his claims. They were not able to verify anything that fellow you’re talking about said. In fact they were able to disprove some of it.


Opinion and all

Edit: typo

It's the ultimate act of desperation to even attempt to call KK as a witness. KK's own charges and conviction bear witness to the fact that he has no problem lying through his teeth. I don't think the prosecution would have called KK even if he claimed he had critical information. They would know well there's no way to authenticate any info from KK other than a polygraph (and even that might not truly authenticate it) or independent investigation if warranted. This is pure speculation but from a certain point onward, any info from KK might have registered with LE and others in the system, but they weighed that information in context (i.e., "consider the source").

 

[Andieinsyd]

I can’t be sure RA is the guy in her video currently. He could be anyone given the lack of actual detail in the BG’s face. I can’t even be sure of his height or weight or eye colour based on the video. Moo.

Sure we can’t see details. But I think we can rule some people out using the video with reasonable confidence. KK is probably not BG due to inconsistency in build. And I think that RL was too tall, given estimates of height we have heard - wonder if there will be an expert at trial giving estimation of height of BG.
MOO

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Sure we can’t see details. But I think we can rule some people out using the video with reasonable confidence. KK is probably not BG due to inconsistency in build. And I think that RL was too tall, given estimates of height we have heard - wonder if there will be an expert at trial giving estimation of height of BG.

It's an important detail, my opinion is the team that did the triangulation and first estimate of his height, the FBI, will testify.
Hopefully the jurors believe in that well proven, accepted science more than those that tried to squeeze other, much larger men, into that image on the bridge.