Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

[Teche]

Will we be able to watch the trial?

 

[TTF14]

Which one? The sketches or IPAS?

I meant the sketches, but what’s an IPA?

 

[TTF14]

Will we be able to watch the trial?

Nope.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I meant the sketches, but what’s an IPA?

I don't know exactly. Here's what my search found: Indiana Protection and Advocacy Services Commission (“IPAS”).

 

[justtrish]

I meant the sketches, but what’s an IPA?

The only IPA I know of refers to beer. I don't think that is it in this case. I was wondering the same thing though and couldn't come up with anything else. Indiana State Police would be ISP.. that's the only close thing I could come up with for IPAS

 

[FrostedGlass]

Motion In Limine Filed Motion in Limine - sketches.pdf Filed By: State of Indiana File Stamp: 10/14/2024​

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10/15/2024​

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2024_10_15_Motion in Limine - sketches.pdf.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[Spartygirl]

I want to know how close Sarah Carbaugh (first sketch) was to the muddy/bloody man she saw.

We know Betsy Blair (second sketch) was approximately 50 feet away from the man she saw standing on platform One on the High bridge. Was the man even looking in her direction or looking down into the creek? Did she head to the High Bridge and just stand there idle looking at the man or did she just glance in the man's direction for a brief second and then turn around and continue her walk? I think the latter.

Neither woman wanted to contribute to the sketch but were convinced by LE to do so.

I want to know the dates of when these women were first questioned by LE and when they provided the information from the sketches.

The fact they both witnessed a white male with a medium build (that cannot rule out RA) is just another piece of circumstantial evidence against him on top of all of the direct evidence and the voluminous other circumstantial evidence against him.

IMO, other witnesses probably assisted with one of the sketches, not just one person.
I do think BB was the only one for the YBG sketch but not the original.
JMO

 

[arielilane]

@kithanleytv

NEW: jury selection is complete in the #Delphi murder trial — 12 jurors and 4 alternates.The jurors will be sequestered for about a month. Opening statements are scheduled to begin on Friday, when the proceedings shift to Carroll County.Our team will be there.


3:54 PM · Oct 15, 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846278598702821385

 

[sunshineray]

In my own, personal opinion, If I’m a juror, I’m going to wonder how and why, if a SA was the motive, but RA was interrupted, he took the time to redress Abby and stage the crime scene the way it was staged. If he was interrupted, wouldn’t he have just high-tailed it out of there? This my opinion.

As always, JMO IMO MOOOO

He was determined? I want to know what RA has to say on that subject. I also don't think it has to be RA redressing Abby. She could have grabbed the only pants lying there, if he told her to put something on. It's interesting in all the FM's, the PCA, the pics of clothes in the creek, Abby's skinny jeans are not mentioned. AJMO

 

[arielilane]

@KylaBRussell

#NEW: At 2 p.m. today, an additional round of potential jurying questioning began, even though 16 had already been selected.In that round, one new juror was selected. We’re told the total number of jurors is still 16 — 12 on the panel and 4 alternates.We have not been given clarity on what may have led up to an additional juror having to be selected.



3:40 PM · Oct 15, 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846275096530637253

 

[arielilane]

@NewsyBarbara

BREAKING: Jury selected in Delphi Double Murders trial - 11 women and 6 men. 17 in all. 12 regular jurors the others are alternates. To be sworn in on Thursday.


3:57 PM · Oct 15, 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846279278755041663

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I think it’s likely this is not human hair. If it was, there would likely be roots attached (pulled out in a struggle), which would lend itself to more advanced DNA results.

That would potentially allow for a CODIS upload, genetic genealogy, and the standard comparison DNA of any suspects.

Even rootless hair can now be analyzed this way.

So if this was human hair, then I think there’s a good chance this case would have been solved long before it was.

Good points...

The hair could even be her own for all we know...

IMO... Defense is throwing smoke bombs that will disperse soon...

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846276561936568732

 

[FrostedGlass]

Opening paragraph of the in limine motion (sketch)

COMES NOW the State of Indiana, by Prosecutor Nicholas M. McLeland, for the 74th
Judicial Circuit, and respectfully requests that the Court enter an Order prohibiting the admission
or reference to composite sketches, prepared by any sketch artist for the investigation of the
murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German, for the reason that a composite sketch is not
relevant, admission would result in undue prejudice, confuse or mislead the jury, or is
impermissible hearsay, and the witnesses who participated in the preparation of composite
sketch(s) will not be presented by the State for the purpose of in-court identification of the
defendant.

One of the 7 reasons the P gives:
5. It is the State’s belief that the defense intends to use composite sketches from the
investigation as demonstrative evidence and for impeachment purposes. That the
witnesses who participated in the preparation of composite sketches are not being
called to provide in-court identification of the accused; furthermore, no composite
sketch was instrumental in identifying Richard Allen as a suspect.

His request:
WHEREFORE, the State of Indiana, by Prosecuting Attorney, Nicholas C. McLeland,
respectfully requests this Court to grant the following relief:
A. Order the Defendant, his Counsel and witnesses to refrain from mentioning,
commenting, or making any reference whatsoever, either directly or indirectly, to
composite sketches without first obtaining permission of the Court outside the presence
and hearing of the jury;
B. To further order said persons to make no reference to the fact that this motion
has been filed and granted and all other relief just and proper in the premises.

2024_10_15_Motion in Limine - sketches.pdf.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[sunshineray]

Rsbm

This is my own, personal opinion, but I think It will all be dependent on what has already come out, if clarifications need to be made or contradictions cleared up. The jury may actually welcome it, in my opinion.

We will have to wait and see.

As always, JMO.

I'm thinking it will all be about what questions they ask family members and why. I have no confidence these lawyers will show a bit of genuine care for the families while questioning them. "Genuine" is the key word for me in that sentence. The leopard and his spots won't change. AJMO

 

[SouthEnd]

Oh I see... My understanding is that the P doesn't wish for some of the eye-witnesses to be called, and therefor doesn't wish for the sketches to be admitted, so it won't open the door to impeachment?

 

[Megnut]

4 (or 5) alternates seems like too few.

It would be terrible if the trial falls apart over jury number.

Jmo

 

[sunshineray]

Will BP and MP be able to watch the trial since they are on the witness list? Not sure how that works.

And wouldn't that be a good reason for the D to put MP on their witness list. BP, DG and Kelsei need to testify for the timeline, MP was at work. Let's remove all of Libby's Indiana family from the courtroom. Just my honest opinion. I trust this D will think of everything, they're so very zealous. Also MO

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846285226525577624

 

[MassGuy]

4 (or 5) alternates seems like too few.

It would be terrible if the trial falls apart over jury number.

Jmo

It’s only expected to last a month and the jury will be sequestered, which is rare.

That seems to be a standard number for a trial like this.