Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #203

[Deleted member 229974]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849453150924578830

Well that is interesting. Blast from the past. Ives was just talked about on the threads Monday and yesterday. So, defense suddenly decides they need to have him testify. Light-bulb moment triggered by social media chatter?

jmo

Good, now get some retired LE individuals in the stand too.

 

[ClearAhead]

Well that is interesting. Blast from the past. Ives was just talked about on the threads Monday and yesterday. So, defense suddenly decides they need to have him testify. Light-bulb moment triggered by social media chatter?

jmo

Interesting. At the time I felt it was very poor judgement for him to be speaking out about the case as if he was a homicide expert.

So now he’s fighting the subpoena claiming his comments were speculative, irrelevant, and inadmissible. I’d say it serves him right.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

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I assure you, this cartridge does exist, and was tested by an analyst who specializes in ballistic evidence. We can disagree on our interpretation of the facts, but we should not just make them up.


Ballistics evidence is a type of forensic evidence that involves the scientific analysis of firearms and ammunition to solve crimes

 

[Melted]

Well that is interesting. Blast from the past. Ives was just talked about on the threads Monday and yesterday. So, defense suddenly decides they need to have him testify. Light-bulb moment triggered by social media chatter?

jmo

I highly doubt the defense is pulling ideas for witnesses to testify from websleuths but It would be fun to be wrong on this one.

Defense, if you’re listening: hone down on the height discrepancies!!!!!

JMO

 

[ClearAhead]

Good, now get some retired LE individuals in the stand too.

He’s not retired LE. He was the Carrol County Prosecutor who stepped down at the end of 2017 for health reasons, as I recall.

ETA

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/defense-seeks-testimony-from-former-carroll-county-prosecutor/

DELPHI, Ind. – The defense wants to hear from the former Carroll County prosecutor about the Delphi murders case.

Robert Ives stepped down as prosecutor on Dec. 31, 2017. The defense filed a subpoena on Tuesday, Oct. 22, seeking to have him testify in court.

Ives countered with a motion to quash the subpoena.”

 

[susiQ]

Well that is interesting. Blast from the past. Ives was just talked about on the threads Monday and yesterday. So, defense suddenly decides they need to have him testify. Light-bulb moment triggered by social media chatter?

jmo

Or, perhaps something they had planned all along?? JMO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

An adult man proceeding ably under his own power doesn’t need 911 called for him.

In these days of everyone with cell phones he can call himself or go on wherever he is headed.

BG didn’t need a good samaritan. He was not like prone at the bottom of a hill waving to flag her down for help and she passed by.

Here is why a women may wisely choose to not get involved in a strange man’s problems in a park:

“The Gift of Fear”, De Becker, good book for all women and those who love them



all imo

Not just mud, now it’s mud AND blood. It takes very little effort to discretely dial 911 to report something concerning or suspicious, just to be sure everything’s okay. But I understand, some people just don’t want to get involved. IMO

 

[Boxer]

The ejected round has tool marks.
MOO, At a microscopic level tool marks are unique.

 

[Melted]

I assure you, this cartridge does exist, and was tested by an analyst who specializes in ballistic evidence. We can disagree on our interpretation of the facts, but we should not just make them up.


Ballistics evidence is a type of forensic evidence that involves the scientific analysis of firearms and ammunition to solve crimes

Ballistics refers to the science of the motion of projectiles, such as missiles, rockets, or bullets.

Forensic Ballistics is the area of forensic science that deals with firearms and firearm related evidence.

 

[Inthedetails]

I highly doubt the defense is pulling ideas for witnesses to testify from websleuths but It would be fun to be wrong on this one.

Defense, if you’re listening: hone down on the height discrepancies!!!!!

JMO

Seems like the order of prosecution's strategy is to present the victims, present the crimes, prove BG is the killer, prove RA is BG.

People are wanting to jump to the last item first, but we're not there yet. IMO.

jmo

 

[Justice101]

Sounds like a pretty busy scene for just one man to manage by himself. IMO

According to when DTH was recorded vs when he was seen by the road... he had well over an hour........ more than plenty of time.

 

[MassGuy]

Ballistics refers to the science of the motion of projectiles, such as missiles, rockets, or bullets.

Forensic Ballistics is the area of forensic science that deals with firearms and firearm related evidence.

Semantics. I’m confident everyone else here understood what I meant, but I’ll try and be more clear in the future.

It’s like referring to that unfired cartridge as a “bullet.” All that matters is everyone understands what we’re talking about.

 

[Justice101]

I wouldn't call anyone clueless.

I realize that the bridge side only goes down to the lowest point where the water flows in the valley, but if the 20 ft altitude change was cumulative over all of the steps recorded until they stopped, then I'm guessing it would include an increase in elevation as they walked up out of the creek bed on the other side to reach the loaciton of the bodies, hence my speculation that it is a cumulative altitude change. Just my thoughts on the matter.

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Also, GPS would get very confused if you were on a bridge... measuring either up on the narrow bridge itself...or more likely the creek wayyyy below.. and maybe averaging them as the starting elevation... before they went DTH.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I have AT&T. They would certainly have a record of every device I’ve ever registered on their network, especially considering I’ve purchased every device from them.

It would simply be a matter of getting records from his carrier.

This is how they would know a particular device is missing. They would presumably also know exactly when he changed phones.

Without a doubt, Big Brother is watching everything. IMO

 

[Melted]

Semantics. I’m confident everyone else here understood what I meant, but I’ll try and be more clear in the future.

It’s like referring to that unfired cartridge as a “bullet.” All that matters is everyone understands what we’re talking about.

I’m just giving you a hard time just some friendly banter before we get the first reports from trial this fine morning

 

[FrostedGlass]

I wouldn't call anyone clueless.

I realize that the bridge side only goes down to the lowest point where the water flows in the valley, but if the 20 ft altitude change was cumulative over all of the steps recorded until they stopped, then I'm guessing it would include an increase in elevation as they walked up out of the creek bed on the other side to reach the loaciton of the bodies, hence my speculation that it is a cumulative altitude change. Just my thoughts on the matter.

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Thanks for the reply. I freely admit I'm clueless when it comes to altitude change. Maybe someone will come along who can figure it out.

 

[statt#1]

Here's my analysis.

The first 707.34 meters is from a point near where K dropped off A & L to the beginning of the bridge.

The next 414.38 meters is from the beginning of the bridge to a point on the south side of Deer Creek where something was occurring between the killer and A&L, this something is what was 'interrupted'. (This distance includes crossing the bridge, going down the hill, through the bottom land, to a point on the south side of Deer Creek.)

The final 50.64 meters is the distance from that 'interruption' point, across the creek, to that point where the girls bodies were found, and includes the elevation change.

I've measured these distances on google earth, and they seem to fit rather nicely, including the elevation change, as the bank of the creek is high, and thence on the other side of the creek uphill to the final CS area.

A chart in Cecil’s report outlined the recorded movement for Libby’s phone on February 13, 2017:

1:31 pm – 2:08 pm – 1,682 steps (707.34 meters)
2:08 pm – 2:18 pm – 414.38 meters
2:25 pm – 2:32 pm – 66 steps (50.64 meters)
2:31 pm – two-floor elevation change

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he-was-covered-in-mud-and-blood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/

 

[Justice101]

Here's my analysis.

The first 707.34 meters is from a point near where K dropped off A & L to the beginning of the bridge.

The next 414.38 meters is from the beginning of the bridge to a point on the south side of Deer Creek where something was occurring between the killer and A&L, this something is what was 'interrupted'. (This distance includes crossing the bridge, going down the hill, through the bottom land, to a point on the south side of Deer Creek.)

The final 50.64 meters is the distance from that 'interruption' point, across the creek, to that point where the girls bodies were found, and includes the elevation change.

I've measured these distances on google earth, and they seem to fit rather nicely, including the elevation change, as the bank of the creek is high, and thence on the other side of the creek uphill to the final CS area.

A chart in Cecil’s report outlined the recorded movement for Libby’s phone on February 13, 2017:

1:31 pm – 2:08 pm – 1,682 steps (707.34 meters)
2:08 pm – 2:18 pm – 414.38 meters
2:25 pm – 2:32 pm – 66 steps (50.64 meters)
2:31 pm – two-floor elevation change

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he-was-covered-in-mud-and-blood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/

Fantastic analysis! Well done and thanks. Makes perfect sense now/.

 

[Gerrymd8]

Might be a dumb question-
Do we know if her phone was tested for fingerprints? Or specifically that it was

I highly doubt the defense is pulling ideas for witnesses to testify from websleuths but It would be fun to be wrong on this one.

Defense, if you’re listening: hone down on the height discrepancies!!!!!

JMO

@Melted honestly, I wish they would get someone in that specializes in figuring these kinds of things out. Like a Math or Physics person. I'm pretty sure that the measurements would be very close to RA's height. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Semantics. I’m confident everyone else here understood what I meant, but I’ll try and be more clear in the future.

It’s like referring to that unfired cartridge as a “bullet.” All that matters is everyone understands what we’re talking about.

I agree. If I corrected everyone who calls the recovered cartridge a bullet it would not help in any way. Everyone understands what's being talked about so no need for a correction. JMO.