Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #206

[loveisthemovement]

Holeman left again. Allen’s wife, Kathy, then walked in. Allen told her it was “going to be all right” and said there was “no way” it could’ve been him.

“I don’t know what they’re trying to do here,” he said. “I didn’t murder anybody. I didn’t help anyone murder anybody.”

“How did a bullet from your gun get there?” his wife asked.

“I don’t know,” he answered.

The pair said “I love you” and shared a kiss.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/the-damage-is-done-jurors-watch-richard-allens-interview-with-isp-investigator/

Good lord it is difficult enough to read tone through text, let alone reading it from a tweet that is documenting it from a video.

KA tells RA "Do the right thing"... that could mean so many things!

 

[ClearAhead]

I'm mincing words, but "You're not going to find anything that ties me to the murders" is very different from "I didn't commit the murders". IMO.

Yes he may as well have said “You’re not going to find anything that ties me to the murders….. because I’ve gotten rid of all the evidence”….which is very different from “I’m innocent”.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes he may as well have said “You’re not going to find anything that ties me to the murders….. because I’ve gotten rid of all the evidence”….which is very different from “I’m innocent”.

That’s an incredibly common one. These guys talk about the evidence because they know what the evidence is and what they did with it.

I’ve seen it a million times in these cases.

 

[justtrish]

I wouldn’t be able to recall. In this instance all he really recalled was that he wore blue jeans - which may be his go-to style of pants. The jacket would have been cause for an “unusual” day in that he went to his moms, went by his house for what(his jacket) and then on to the trails. Would make a stronger memory - going by his house. Then the fact that he has already had to talk to someone prior about this, might make it stick in memory better. All JMO.

I would think if he really didn't do this then seeing a photo of a man that looks just like him 2 days after this crime would make him think to himself, dang that guy is wearing the exact same thing I did!

Of is the fact he was recorded on the bridge in the outfit he was wearing a constant reminder of what exactly he was wearing that day?

JMO

 

[justtrish]

Why is the part where he is arrested not allowed to be viewed by the jury, if anyone knows?
Is it because of the Miranda warning not being recorded as part of this video, or some other legal kind of thing?

Seems like it would make him look guilty to the jury? Just a guess when I think of arrest videos.. it might stay with the jurors and influence their thinking.

 

[flashy09]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 10 live blog

Day 10 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins at 9 a.m. Tuesday. Follow our live blog for the latest developments.

www.wishtv.com

Holeman pressed him about the Delphi murders.
“You’re the last person to contact Abby and Libby,” he said.
“I never met them,” Allen responded.

Does Holeman mean physically contacting Libby and Abby on the bridge?

 

[MassGuy]

Holeman pressed him about the Delphi murders.
“You’re the last person to contact Abby and Libby,” he said.
“I never met them,” Allen responded.

Does Holeman mean physically contacting Libby and Abby on the bridge?

The last person to contact Libby And Abby was BG, who did so physically. So presumably yes.

 

[KSwizzle]

I think if you’re coming at it from a the prosecution hasn’t proven beyond a reasonable doubt RA did it, and not that’s he’s necessarily innocent just unproven you’d point out

-One witness identified a bloody and muddy man wearing different clothes than RA
-One witness said they saw a younger guy out there that day around the time of the murders

Those two things alone I don’t think it would be unreasonable for a juror to think there could have been at least three men walking around during that time, and who knows maybe there were some not seen

-The bullet was from a Sauer 226, but they can’t confirm it is from RA’s 226, how many other people own that model of gun, when they first bring this evidence about the bullet up you’re thinking it’s the smoking gun but then let down when it could be someone else’s gun

-LE fumbled the investigation and could have followed up right away on RA and potentially missed out on collecting crucial evidence such as his phone

-Prosecution has not shown that bridge guy committed the murders, there is a non zero chance that bridge guy is just somebody who happened to be in this grainy video and someone else besides bridge guy committed the crimes, there is no dna no nothing at the crime scene to analyze and link bridge guy to the murderer

I’m not going to say there isn’t circumstantial evidence against RA, but jurors don’t get to constantly analyze, talk through, speculate like the public does

 

[BUF]

One of the things that is really odd to me is these other people described seeing BG….but RA described these other people and never mentioned he saw BG …..and BG was dressed just like RA described himself.

 

[MassGuy]

I think if you’re coming at it from a the prosecution hasn’t proven beyond a reasonable doubt RA did it, and not that’s he’s necessarily innocent just unproven you’d point out

-One witness identified a bloody and muddy man wearing different clothes than RA
-One witness said they saw a younger guy out there that day around the time of the murders

Those two things alone I don’t think it would be unreasonable for a juror to think there could have been at least three men walking around during that time, and who knows maybe there were some not seen

-The bullet was from a Sauer 226, but they can’t confirm it is from RA’s 226, how many other people own that model of gun, when they first bring this evidence about the bullet up you’re thinking it’s the smoking gun but then let down when it could be someone else’s gun

-LE fumbled the investigation and could have followed up right away on RA and potentially missed out on collecting crucial evidence such as his phone

-Prosecution has not shown that bridge guy committed the murders, there is a non zero chance that bridge guy is just somebody who happened to be in this grainy video and someone else besides bridge guy committed the crimes, there is no dna no nothing at the crime scene to analyze and link bridge guy to the murderer

I’m not going to say there isn’t circumstantial evidence against RA, but jurors don’t get to constantly analyze, talk through, speculate like the public does

That's not my understanding of the ballistic evidence. I thought the unique characteristics pointed to that particular gun specifically, with a certain margin of error. It's the class characteristics that may point to another Sig 226, which is rendered irrelevant by the former.

 

[tlcya]

Good lord it is difficult enough to read tone through text, let alone reading it from a tweet that is documenting it from a video.

KA tells RA "Do the right thing"... that could mean so many things!

investigators told KA to tell RA to "do the right thing" not that KA told RA that.

The video cuts to Holeman back in the interview room with Richard and Kathy Allen.

Richard Allen asks Holeman to let Kathy leave and the two hug as she prepares to leave.

Holeman tells Kathy to tell her husband to “do the right thing,” as she leaves the room.

Holeman exits the room and returns a short time later.
Delphi Murders trial: Day 10 live blog

 

[Yuletide]

That's not my understanding of the ballistic evidence. I thought the unique characteristics pointed to that particular gun specifically, with a certain margin of error. It's the class characteristics that may point to a Sig 226, which is rendered irrelevant by the former.

That was my interpretation also.

 

[Emma Peel]

I must have missed this. Do you have a source for this? TIA

Hi STD!
Are you listening to Lawyer Lee's reporting? See Lawyer Lee's reporting on the day the down the hill video capture was played in court. I follow the case with Lawyer Lee. And as you know, I've always had a big concern about the "avatar" (THAT is my word, fwiw, for the enlargement and manipulation of the clarity of that figure ... and then the steps ... in order to enlarge BG). It's my pet peeve. eta:
JMHO

 

[WildHuncher]

NEW update on WISHTV

Delphi Murders trial: Day 10 live blog

Day 10 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins at 9 a.m. Tuesday. Follow our live blog for the latest developments.

www.wishtv.com

Wow! From that link:

‘He tells her that he “can’t believe” she thinks he committed the murders.’

I can.

 

[Ursamajr]

One of the things that is really odd to me is these other people described seeing BG….but RA described these other people and never mentioned he saw BG …..and BG was dressed just like RA described himself.

Devils advocate here: If RA is not BG, it's possible RA would not have seen BG who could have been concealed off the side of the bridge on either end. I wouldn't think BG would revel himself to someone who was not an intended target and not until the coast was clear.

 

[KSwizzle]

You may be right I will see if I can find something on that, the fact that this trial isn't broadcast is quite frustrating

 

[steeltowngirl]

Good lord it is difficult enough to read tone through text, let alone reading it from a tweet that is documenting it from a video.

KA tells RA "Do the right thing"... that could mean so many things!

I haven't seen that phrase 'do the right thing'..
But whoa.. this part.. Is RA essentially agreeing that he had last contact but asserting only that he never met them??

Holeman pressed him about the Delphi murders.

“You’re the last person to contact Abby and Libby,” he said.

“I never met them,” Allen responded.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/the-damage-is-done-jurors-watch-richard-allens-interview-with-isp-investigator/

 

[Myvice]

One of the things that is really odd to me is these other people described seeing BG….but RA described these other people and never mentioned he saw BG …..and BG was dressed just like RA described himself.

Bingo!!!

 

[tlcya]

I haven't seen that phrase 'do the right thing'..
But whoa.. this part.. Is RA essentially agreeing that he had last contact but asserting only that he never met them??

Holeman pressed him about the Delphi murders.

“You’re the last person to contact Abby and Libby,” he said.

“I never met them,” Allen responded.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/the-damage-is-done-jurors-watch-richard-allens-interview-with-isp-investigator/

FWIW, I believe that was an interrogation tactic. At the time I think KAK was a big deal but LE could NOT put him in the area, so some of the questions for RA I feel were geared toward the possibility that RA with unknown OTHERs may have murdered the girls.

 

[Yuletide]

Devils advocate here: If RA is not BG, it's possible RA would not have seen BG who could have been concealed off the side of the bridge on either end. I wouldn't think BG would revel himself to someone who was not an intended target and not until the coast was clear.

Unlikely in my opinion. I think the girls would have screamed for help from BG if he had pivoted and turned the other way on the bridge as they were suddenly approached by another man. No. He followed the girls in my opinion